Quickseller Gave me a negative trust Without Considering any possibility

[Twipple]

Quickseller Gave me this trust :

"Alt of tacoman71, scammer.

tacoman71 posted the address 1Fz6xXind3Kovsw4ArW6u7oMXRZTUSBj1G (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812533.msg10239935#msg10239935) which signed https://blockchain.info/tx/bfd3ec181aeae8abd8da9e63f6c4772ff8fceb6d4c0f3472cac66b6c77649353 that was also signed by 1Fo6Uy8JWnV9SnDM5LBnYA8nnCQgbfbyDT and Twipple posted 15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10255801#msg10255801 which signed d515a082b1df9b515e8f826cae84f41629183f26575bd014ba3d32ecddc9b633"

Now before I say anything, what I believe is that those addresses were in the same transaction as the spending addresses because the exchange or gambling site sweeped those addresses. I would also like you to read my second post on this thread, as based on his logic I prove how a user Baro is Dicenow,or someone with that address can have a case like this .  Keeping that in mind, here is why I think so:

Now at : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10255801#msg10255801
Twipple requested a loan on 25th Jan to the address 15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB .

This address has no previous deposit. And the loan amount was the first(which can be that its his newly generated localbitcoins or something like that wallet address). Also, it seems Twipple never used the amount until 1st Feb from the loan(which would be weird), but I feel its the sweep that was done then, and Twipple would have got the balance elsewhere like you do in an exchange. Now Quickseller claims Twipple account to be an alt of tacoman, and belives it was dumped or gotten rid of on purpose by defaulting on the loan , Now If Twipple wanted to get rid of the account, he would easily sell it for over 0.05 , instead of going for a loan of 0.025, which probably could mean a loan for gambling and he lost it, hence didn't pay back.


Now the other address used by tacoman : 1Fz6xXind3Kovsw4ArW6u7oMXRZTUSBj1G
Has transactions , like you would do in an address that is usually a deposit address to a site. Even the single transfer out of that address  https://blockchain.info/tx/bfd3ec181aeae8abd8da9e63f6c4772ff8fceb6d4c0f3472cac66b6c77649353
goes to 1MmVUQEtwWXgQV9WKhL6sKPBDENJgBkoqn , which has a mixer/Exchange kind of pattern.


The third address he mentioned https://blockchain.info/address/1Fo6Uy8JWnV9SnDM5LBnYA8nnCQgbfbyDT , is also like an exchange address with inputs and outputs to addresses, with only 2 transactions like in an exchange.

So basically none of the addresses are actually like personal addresses which would have normal transactions .All of them maybe under the control of a single entity(the exchange or a gambling site) , but they show no signs of being under a person based on the transactions. Also, this is the only transaction, that they have been used in together, with no other transaction occurring together or elsewhere.

If it was one individual in control of the private keys, then he would not be only using this for that one particular transaction, and its almost certain thats it the exchange which had them under control.

I sent it to Quickseller, but he just arrogantly refused to accept it, and also blocked me from PM. And replied back with a quote  
When you buy an account, you are buying the reputation associated with the account.

"You should be more careful about what you spend your money on in the future.  Clearly purchasing a forum account was a bad idea."  which is basically what he has always done.

I want to know what you guys think of it. I had bought this account from Ume in an auction, who sold it after the original account defaulted on a 0.025 loan. I even started a scam accusation towards Ume for other things, and all this was before receiving the negative trust from Quickseller on Twipple 2 months later.


See the other post on this thread as a follow up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035687.msg11171949#msg11171949

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[Blazr]

Do you remember which exchange it was?

I don't think it's an exchange, though I cannot be sure. First off, the wallet has payments to/from a number of different websites, including localbitcoins.com, which is strange. It's transactions don't appear automated at all, they all happen during the day between 09:02am and 20:17pm GMT and not 24/7 as you would expect. There are not many tx's and there are none with multiple recipients - something most exchanges do. In addition the wallet isn't tainted by any known website. Also each payment empties the wallet, if it was an exchange it'd be very convenient how each withdrawal was exactly the balance, which also leads me to believe this isn't a part of a wallet either but the full thing. I would guess this is most likely an Electrum wallet based on some clues. If you tell me the name of the website I may be able to confirm whether it is their wallet or not.

In case you are wondering, here are all the websites I checked it for taint: (though this is not 100%)

Code:

10xBitco.in
1Coin.com
50BTC.com   
777Coin.com
796.com
999Dice.com
ActionCrypto.com
AdmiralCoin.com
AgoraMarket
AllCoin.com
AllCrypt.com
AnoniBet.com
AntPool.com 
AnxPro.com
ASICMiner
Atomic-Trade.com
BetChain.com
Betcoin.ag 
BetcoinDice.tm
Betcoins.net
Betcoin.tm
BetMoose.com
BetsOfBitco.in
BetVIP.com-and-MyDailyCoin.com
Birwo.com
BitAces.me 
BitBargain.co.uk
BitBay.net
Bitbond.net
Bitcash.cz
Bitcoin-24.com  
BitcoinCloudServices.com
Bitcoin.de
BitcoinFog
Bitcoinica.com 
BitcoinPay.com
Bitcoin-Roulette.com
BitcoinVideoCasino.com 
BitcoinWeBank.com
Bitcurex.com
BitDoubler.org
BitElfin.com
Bitfinex.com 
BitKonan.com
BitLaunder.com
BitLendingClub.com
BitMillions.com
BitMinter.com
Bitmit.net
BIToomBa.com
BitPay.com 
BitSleep.com
Bitstamp.net 
BitStarz.com
Bittrex.com
Bit-x.com
BitX.co.za
BitYes.com
BitZillions.com
BitZino.com
BlackBankMarket
Bleutrade.com
BlueSkyMarketplace
BraveBunny
Brawker.com
Btc38.com
Btc-Arbs.com
BTCChina.com 
BTCChinaPool
BtcDice.com
BtcEur.eu
BtcExchange.ro
BTCGuild.com
BTCJam.com
BtcMarkets.net
BTCOracle.com
BtcSmart.net
Btcst.com-pirateat40
BTCt.com
BtcTrade.com
Bter.com    
BTradeAustralia.com 
BuyBtc.cz
BX.in.th
CampBX.com 
CannabisRoad
CasinoBum.com	
Cavirtex.com
C-Cex.com 
Cex.io
Chainroll.com
ChangeTip.com
ChBtc.com
CloudBet.com
CloudHashing.com
CoinBox.me
Coinbroker.io
CoinCafe.com
CoinDrafts.com
CoinGaming.io
CoinHub.cz
Coinichiwa.com
CoinJar.com
Coinmate.io
CoinMkt.com
Coin.mx
Coinomat.com
CoinPayments.net
Coinroll.com
CoinRoyale.com 
Coins-E.com
CoinSpot.com.au
Coin-Swap.net
Coin-Sweeper.com
CoinURL.com
CoinVault
CryptcoMiner.com
CryptoBounty.com
CryptoLocker
Cryptomine.io
Cryptonator.com
Cryptonit.net
Cryptopay.me
Cryptorush.in
CryptoSexToys.com
Crypto-Trade.com
Cryptsy.com 
DaDice.com
Dagensia.eu
DeepBit.net
Dgex.com 
DiceBitco.in
DiceCoin.io
DiceNow.com
DiceOnCrack.com
EclipseMC.com 
Eligius.st
EmpoEX.com
Europex.eu
EveryDice.com
EvolutionMarket
Exchange-Credit.ru
Exchanging.ir
FairProof.com
FortuneJack.com
Foxbit.exchange 
FYBSG.com
GHash.io
HappyCoins.com
Hashnest.com
HitBtc.com
HolyTransaction.com
Huobi.com 
Ice-Dice.com
Igot.com
Indacoin.com
Inputs.io
Instawallet.org
InvestBTC.org
JetWin.com
Justcoin.com
Just-Dice.com   
K8Poker.net
KnCMiner.com
Korbit.co.kr
Kraken.com
LakeBTC.com
Leancy.com
LiteBit.eu
LocalBitcoins.com 
LuckyB.it 
LuckyHash.com
MaiCoin.com
Masterxchange.com
Matbea.com
McxNOW.com
MercadoBitcoin.com.br
MineField.BitcoinLab.org
mining.bitcoin.cz  
MintPal.com
MoonBit.co.in
MPEx.co
MyBitcoin.com
NitrogenSports.eu
NucleusMarket
OKCoin.com 
OrderBook.net
PandoraOpenMarket 
Paymium.com
Peerbet.org
PinballCoin.com
Playt.in
PocketDice.io
PocketRocketsCasino.eu
Polmine.pl
Poloniex.com
PonziCoin.co
PrimeDice.com  
Purse.io
QuadrigaCX.com
Rollin.io
SafeDice.com
SatoshiBet.com
SatoshiDice.com
Satoshi-Karoshi.com
SatoshiRoulette.com
SealsWithClubs.eu
SecondsTrade.com
SecureVPN.to
ShapeShift.io
SheepMarketplace
SilkRoad2
SilkRoadMarketplace
SimpleCoin.cz 
SmenarnaBitcoin.cz
StrongCoin.com-fee
SuzukiDice.com
TheRockTrading.com 
UpDown.BT
UseCryptos.com
VaultOfSatoshi.com
Vic-Socks.to
Vircurex.com
VirWoX.com
WatchMyBit.com
Xapo.com
YABTCL.com
Zyado.com

[Alt441]

I agree with all those things from Twipple .. but i want to clear somethings now . i dont know what is wrong with twipple but i think i had to say something . i got negative feedback without any reason saying that alt of tacoman ? huh ?
I Am.
Ume

Now at : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10255801#msg10255801
Twipple requested a loan on 25th Jan to the address 15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB .

I Agree that i provided loan to twipple . He asked for a loan of 0.025 and the collateral was his btctalk account . i sent him 0.025 as soon as he sent me his accounts detail . and the terms was that he will pay me 0.04 after 5 days. but he never spents his money . here is original quote from me .

Ok I gave you the account, waiting for the btc

ok Thanks sent you exact 0.025

https://blockchain.info/address/15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB

repayment will be on the same address 0.04 just tell me after sending !

you have total 5 days you will repay me on 30 jan on 6 PM from now !

Have a nice day !

Whatever the matter was he did`nt spent his money which is not an issue for me i just want 0.04 with the end of the time period of loan . but he was enable to pay me back . so i created a thread what to do abotu this should i sell ? or not ? and i got point of views from different peoples .
so i started posting like 10-15 posts i think because i know that his account has some potential of earning activity when it become near to 110 Activity i sold the account to Tdowns (which is now Twipple)
https://i.imgur.com/pdmPR59.png

Here are original screenshot of Twipple that he asked for the loan he asked me twice for the loan and after that i agreed to give him so i m not the alt of him as Quickseller says that you are loaning to yourself lol

https://i.imgur.com/82Ucp8M.png

After all of that Twipple pm`ed me saying that i got banned and that is your fault ! after posting for a week or so he got banned .

Quickseller gave me negative trust too.

In short ,

Likely giving loans to accounts that he controls/owns, which builds up both trust for himself and for the accounts that he lends to. Additionally Ume is a likely alt of tacoman71, scammer

Quickseller give me this negative trust reason .
Whereas, i m not the alt of tacoman71 i dont know this bitch. also he says that i m giving loan to account which own myself ..

I provided a total of 3 (loans) 2 of em paid me back and 1 ( twipple ) did`nt paid me back .

User          :  Eddy
Collateral    :  account btc
Amount Loaned : 0.02BTC
Repayment By  : 31 jan 2:29 pm
Interest  : Nothing (only tip)

User          : virtapayseller666
Collateral    : NIL
Amount Loaned : 0.01BTC
Repayment By  : January 27
Interest  : Nothing (only tip)

@Twipple you think i m scammer and you think i m asshole ? no way . you think totally wrong about me . i dont know what is wrong with the quickseller . but i really want him off the defaualt trust .

And about the trust.?

While providing loan to Twipple , we setted terms that and in the terms twipple said that he will leave +rep after the loan duration . that`s why i gave myself rep. i know i did wrong and i got first time negative rep from quickseller and i aplogized to quick that remove the negative trust i m removing the rep of twipple i dont know after that he removed the neg turst to neutral .
then after one month or so twipple make a thread agains me saying that bought account from Ume and got banned ? which is a foolish reason .
from that day i stopped loaning coz i think i m not able to handle it peoples are too clever . and the default trust person give neg rep without knowing anything .

To all those , who thinks i m a scammer just show me one person whom i scammed

I have much to say but i want a full stop .

If you have further question about me let me know .

[Twipple]

Do you remember which exchange it was?

I don't think it's an exchange. First off, the wallet has payments to/from a number of different websites, including localbitcoins.com, which is strange. It's transactions don't appear automated at all, they all happen during the day between 09:02am and 20:17pm GMT and not 24/7 as you would expect. There are not many tx's and there are none with multiple recipients - something most exchanges do. In addition the wallet isn't tainted by any known website. Also each payment empties the wallet, if it was an exchange it'd be very convenient how each withdrawal was exactly the balance, which also leads me to believe this isn't a part of a wallet either but the full thing. I would guess this is most likely an Electrum wallet based on some clues. If you tell me the name of the website I may be able to confirm whether it is their wallet or not, but I think I know the answer already.

I bought the account, so I wouldn't know what exchange it is. But it seemed much more probably from all the transactions that it is an exchange.

I was digging up some things, and here is a Solid example of this.

1.
https://blockchain.info/tx/058577bdcdeb4368940c0fb631a083f3e8eef5edad1fd765e6c5d9a4551d3ea8
In this transaction 1LuckyRd42yF6jLEvodcj8LT6VF1GEhJQk   sends to 19nH4oqV546NDHGAhQgNRSXJiGraD5mEt2

Now 1LuckyRd42yF6jLEvodcj8LT6VF1GEhJQk was used here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=873587.msg10408527#msg10408527

The address it sends to 19nH4oqV546NDHGAhQgNRSXJiGraD5mEt2 , is probably his deposit address on Pocketrocketcasino .

PART 1: Lets Assume The personal who posted that address : Baro , requests for a loan to that address 19nH4oqV546NDHGAhQgNRSXJiGraD5mEt2


2. In this transaction : https://blockchain.info/tx/d698387aa7b2088fb618015400b583dae47239a5728f1503d9095ddb2d7e902a


We Know that 19nH4oqV546NDHGAhQgNRSXJiGraD5mEt2    and  1pBfXgrTKqW7EUTET3dg8quNjyB2fSREH are part of the same transaction and the owner has keys to both .

But lets have a closer look to the address 1pBfXgrTKqW7EUTET3dg8quNjyB2fSREH  .
We see it is also a deposit address on Pocketrocketcasino , as someone from Dicenow, requested a withdrawal to that address. https://blockchain.info/tx/9076dec8026d97ae09c8e6a8d7fd80ca71575b3c100a986925a38b658f8ad31a

PART 2 :
Now lets say another person Tacoman , a scammer requests loan to be sent to 1pBfXgrTKqW7EUTET3dg8quNjyB2fSREH  .




3. PART 3 : Now just because Baro , and Tacoman requested loans to their deposit addresses , and those addresses are owned by the same person, that is the website in this case, Quickseller is claiming Baro and tacoman are the same people.






Read Parts 1 , 2, and 3
Now how would Baro defend himself ? In this case Baro is Twipple and is being targetted.

[godmode3D]

not surprised, known for trust abuse (and a lot of other things)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1034655.0

this board is clogged with his bullshit

its absolutely ridiculous that he is still on default trust list, can some-one have positive trust but not be on the list?
quickseller and his alt acctseller are the only two persons excluded from my default trust list

[Lauda]

not surprised, known for trust abuse (and a lot of other things)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1034655.0

this board is clogged with his bullshit

its absolutely ridiculous that he is still on default trust list, can some-one have positive trust but not be on the list?
quickseller and his alt acctseller are the only two persons excluded from my default trust list

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done. This case isn't similar to the one with Vod. Remember that not so long ago Vod was being called out in meta. Vod was right in his cases; Quickseller not so much. Recently there was a thread about the selective enforcement of rules (takes a while to read through).

Update: Thank you theymos for clearing this up, I wasn't aware of it.

Not true. If 2 other people on the default trust list exclude him, then he will no longer be in the default trust network.

[Twipple]

not surprised, known for trust abuse (and a lot of other things)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1034655.0

this board is clogged with his bullshit

its absolutely ridiculous that he is still on default trust list, can some-one have positive trust but not be on the list?
quickseller and his alt acctseller are the only two persons excluded from my default trust list

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done. This case isn't similar to the one with Vod. Remember that not so long ago Vod was being called out in meta. Vod was right in his cases; Quickseller not so much. Recently there was a thread about the selective enforcement of rules (takes a while to read through).

Even though I'm in no position to judge, I think that it is quite a possibility that you're innocent. Although I might be wrong.

The problem is he won't just listen, I have tried to explain my case to him , but he just has that arrogant attitude he won't let go of. As for others being called out in the threads like this complaining about Vod and all, on reading a conclusion can be made, but it doesn't mean people avoid reading such threads .

I have clearly shown him all the proof, and in this thread have also shown accordingly to his logic, how Baro would be Dicenow according to him. But he just won't listen.

[Quickseller]

Your addresses are not those of an exchange. I sent you a list of addresses that are likely part of the wallet file none of which are associated with an exchange; Blazr did a much more in-depbth analysis of each of the addresses giving additional evidence that they are not exchange addresses.

Furthermore, you opened up a scam accusation against Ume at most two hours prior to contacting him to buy the account. This means one of two things, one - you faked the sale in order to attempt to protect the trust rating of your account, or more likely, two - opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply, which according to your screenshots you were able to do. Regardless it is more then appropriate to let the negative trust remain on the account.

[Astargath]

not surprised, known for trust abuse (and a lot of other things)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1034655.0

this board is clogged with his bullshit

its absolutely ridiculous that he is still on default trust list, can some-one have positive trust but not be on the list?
quickseller and his alt acctseller are the only two persons excluded from my default trust list

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done. This case isn't similar to the one with Vod. Remember that not so long ago Vod was being called out in meta. Vod was right in his cases; Quickseller not so much. Recently there was a thread about the selective enforcement of rules (takes a while to read through).

Even though I'm in no position to judge, I think that it is quite a possibility that you're innocent. Although I might be wrong.

Come on... all the people that complain about quickseller or Vod or you name it because they have negative trust, 99% of them deserved it and they are just crying for no reason, the trust ratings can be made if someone is suspicious, no need to be a scammer

[Twipple]

Your addresses are not those of an exchange. I sent you a list of addresses that are likely part of the wallet file none of which are associated with an exchange; Blazr did a much more in-depbth analysis of each of the addresses giving additional evidence that they are not exchange addresses.

Furthermore, you opened up a scam accusation against Ume at most two hours prior to contacting him to buy the account. This means one of two things, one - you faked the sale in order to attempt to protect the trust rating of your account, or more likely, two - opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply, which according to your screenshots you were able to do. Regardless it is more then appropriate to let the negative trust remain on the account.

No, it might not be of an exchange, could very well be a gambling site.

I contacted him prior to 2 hours,yes, and that was after I realized he was trying to scam. I also posted about a possible alternate account. All what you are saying is speculation, and does not prove a scam, my other account has been pointing out various scams on the forum.

Read my posts above, All I am saying is what you are posting about me being a scammer is based on a possbility , and it in no way proves a scam. I am open to Badbear or any other admin and do IP checks/Tor use/etc anything to prove that.

[GannickusX]

Your addresses are not those of an exchange. I sent you a list of addresses that are likely part of the wallet file none of which are associated with an exchange; Blazr did a much more in-depbth analysis of each of the addresses giving additional evidence that they are not exchange addresses.

Furthermore, you opened up a scam accusation against Ume at most two hours prior to contacting him to buy the account. This means one of two things, one - you faked the sale in order to attempt to protect the trust rating of your account, or more likely, two - opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply, which according to your screenshots you were able to do. Regardless it is more then appropriate to let the negative trust remain on the account.

No, it might not be of an exchange, could very well be a gambling site.

I contacted him prior to 2 hours,yes, and that was after I realized he was trying to scam. I also posted about a possible alternate account. All what you are saying is speculation, and does not prove a scam, my other account has been pointing out various scams on the forum.

Read my posts above, All I am saying is what you are posting about me being a scammer is based on a possbility , and it in no way proves a scam. I am open to Badbear or any other admin and do IP checks/Tor use/etc anything to prove that.

Hmm i agree that you shouldnt give negative trust to anyone without any proofs or evidence but he has indeed proofs and evidence, maybe he should have made the trust neutral but still..

[Quickseller]

Your addresses are not those of an exchange. I sent you a list of addresses that are likely part of the wallet file none of which are associated with an exchange; Blazr did a much more in-depbth analysis of each of the addresses giving additional evidence that they are not exchange addresses.

Furthermore, you opened up a scam accusation against Ume at most two hours prior to contacting him to buy the account. This means one of two things, one - you faked the sale in order to attempt to protect the trust rating of your account, or more likely, two - opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply, which according to your screenshots you were able to do. Regardless it is more then appropriate to let the negative trust remain on the account.

No, it might not be of an exchange, could very well be a gambling site.

I contacted him prior to 2 hours,yes, and that was after I realized he was trying to scam. I also posted about a possible alternate account. All what you are saying is speculation, and does not prove a scam, my other account has been pointing out various scams on the forum.

Read my posts above, All I am saying is what you are posting about me being a scammer is based on a possbility , and it in no way proves a scam. I am open to Badbear or any other admin and do IP checks/Tor use/etc anything to prove that.

The address is not that of a gambling site. The reason it is not a gambling site is similar to the reason why it is not that of an exchange.

You purchased the account from an alt after less then two hours after opening a scam accusation against Ume. Your admission of this fact is confirmation that the intention of opening the scam accusation was nothing more then to try to buy an account at a lower price then what the market would normally otherwise allow, and you did

[smoothie]

not surprised, known for trust abuse (and a lot of other things)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1034655.0

this board is clogged with his bullshit

Looks like you are just butthurt that you were outed as a scammer.

It's only bullshit when calling a scammer a scammer lol

[nor9865]

I find it so amusing everday when I look in meta at the people that Quickseller has outted. 9/10 of them are in some way scam affiliated. The other 1/10 is nubs that say Quickseller has misjudged them, only to later show that they themselves are in the wrong. Half of the people are jumping to conclusion because they no not of the forum rules or how they pertain to everyday situtations here on bitcointalk. The other half are legit scammers that try to debunk the system. I have not seen 1 person on here that's called out Quickseller and proved him to be wrong. Until that time comes, keep doing what you do Quickseller. Everytime they make some babbling post about how you destroyed their rep, just make another of how you destroyed it and got paid at the same time. Hurt their feelings a little more.

[PistolPete]

I find it so amusing everday when I look in meta at the people that Quickseller has outted. 9/10 of them are in some way scam affiliated. The other 1/10 is nubs that say Quickseller has misjudged them, only to later show that they themselves are in the wrong. Half of the people are jumping to conclusion because they no not of the forum rules or how they pertain to everyday situtations here on bitcointalk. The other half are legit scammers that try to debunk the system. I have not seen 1 person on here that's called out Quickseller and proved him to be wrong. Until that time comes, keep doing what you do Quickseller. Everytime they make some babbling post about how you destroyed their rep, just make another of how you destroyed it and got paid at the same time. Hurt their feelings a little more.

Q: What do you do when you can't suck up enough^[1]?

A: Buy another account^[2] and suck off even more.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1032755.msg11153411#msg11153411
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1007178.msg11191250#msg11191250

[nor9865]

I find it so amusing everday when I look in meta at the people that Quickseller has outted. 9/10 of them are in some way scam affiliated. The other 1/10 is nubs that say Quickseller has misjudged them, only to later show that they themselves are in the wrong. Half of the people are jumping to conclusion because they no not of the forum rules or how they pertain to everyday situtations here on bitcointalk. The other half are legit scammers that try to debunk the system. I have not seen 1 person on here that's called out Quickseller and proved him to be wrong. Until that time comes, keep doing what you do Quickseller. Everytime they make some babbling post about how you destroyed their rep, just make another of how you destroyed it and got paid at the same time. Hurt their feelings a little more.

Q: What do you do when you can't suck up enough^[1]?

A: Buy another account^[2] and suck off even more.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1032755.msg11153411#msg11153411
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1007178.msg11191250#msg11191250

And? I like Quickseller. Have since I got to know him. Done a bunch of transactions with him. Always helps me if I need it. So whats the issue? Quickseller not like you or marked a account you had? Sounds like you got a personal issue with him and anybody that associates with him.

EDIT: Wal-Mart sells KyJelly everyday. Even if you got your butthurt once, you can be prepared for it the next time so it won't hurt quite as bad.

[TerminatorXL]

[...]
And? I like Quickseller. Have since I got to know him. Done a bunch of transactions with him. Always helps me if I need it. So whats the issue? [...]

That's so nice!
From this we can soundly extrapolate that you also got to know & like ACCTSeller, and ACCTSeller is good friends with Tidus1097, and Tidus1097 likes Neonecrox13, and Neonecrox13 is palls with Quickseller, who, in turn, has no trust issues vis-a-vis nor9865.

Once it was said that it takes a village to raise an idiot. Here, we have proof that an idiot can become a village!
Excelsior!


Edit: The village, she grows and grows! Apparently Mr. Tidus1097 (and hence Mr. nor9865, Mr. Neonecrox13, etc., etc.) is also http://s22.postimg.org/stifdla6p/Capture.png

[assbot] Amazing Community!

[nor9865]

[...]
And? I like Quickseller. Have since I got to know him. Done a bunch of transactions with him. Always helps me if I need it. So whats the issue? [...]

That's so nice!
From this we can soundly extrapolate that you also got to know & like ACCTSeller, and ACCTSeller is good friends with Tidus1097, and Tidus1097 likes Neonecrox13, and Neonecrox13 is palls with Quickseller, who, in turn, has no trust issues vis-a-vis nor9865.

Once it was said that it takes a village to raise an idiot. Here, we have proof that an idiot can become a village!
Excelsior!


Edit: The village, she grows and grows! Apparently Mr. Tidus1097 (and hence Mr. nor9865, Mr. Neonecrox13, etc., etc.) is also

[assbot] Amazing Community!

Well yeah? Your the only one that didn't know this? You must not be in the right loop. But I am not Acctseller though. Nor have ever stoke to that user. If it is Quickseller, then I have talked to "Quickseller" before. But never spoke a word to "Acctseller"


Edit: Also, the ones that I see complaining about Quickseller are on newbie accounts? Why is that? I mean why hide? Apparently you want to be heard so why not use your real account to post with? I could understand if your account was banned, but to me, looks like "chickenshit" is the right answer.

[TerminatorXL]

[...]
And? I like Quickseller. Have since I got to know him. Done a bunch of transactions with him. Always helps me if I need it. So whats the issue? [...]

That's so nice!
From this we can soundly extrapolate that you also got to know & like ACCTSeller, and ACCTSeller is good friends with Tidus1097, and Tidus1097 likes Neonecrox13, and Neonecrox13 is palls with Quickseller, who, in turn, has no trust issues vis-a-vis nor9865.

Once it was said that it takes a village to raise an idiot. Here, we have proof that an idiot can become a village!
Excelsior!


Edit: The village, she grows and grows! Apparently Mr. Tidus1097 (and hence Mr. nor9865, Mr. Neonecrox13, etc., etc.) is also http://s22.postimg.org/stifdla6p/Capture.png

[assbot] Amazing Community!

Well yeah? Your the only one that didn't know this? You must not be in the right loop. But I am not Acctseller though. Nor have ever stoke to that user. If it is Quickseller, then I have talked to "Quickseller" before. But never spoke a word to "Acctseller"

ACCTSeller is Quickseller, so yeah, you've talked to him.

Edit: Also, the ones that I see complaining about Quickseller are on newbie accounts? Why is that? I mean why hide? Apparently you want to be heard so why not use your real account to post with? I could understand if your account was banned, but to me, looks like "chickenshit" is the right answer.

The reason for using a throwaway account is this: Don't want my main account to get banned

http://s11.postimg.org/up85p4sw3/Capture.png

Edit: If I purchased a hero account from you, would my words carry more weight?

[Muhammed Zakir]

-snip-

The reason for using a throwaway account is this: Don't want my main account to get banned

Are you the author of this article?

[TerminatorXL]

-snip-

The reason for using a throwaway account is this: Don't want my main account to get banned

http://s11.postimg.org/up85p4sw3/Capture.png

Are you the author of this article?

Broster, you & your buddies don't want to reveal the names of your alt accounts, and you expect me to confirm or deny my IRL name?
Nice try, Anon

[Muhammed Zakir]

Broster, you & your buddies don't want to reveal the names of your alt accounts,

 -snip-

Nice try, Anon

I am not his alt nor he is mine. I am not a close friend of his and thus, not a buddy.

P.S. I only have one alt which I haven't made any posts after March, 2014. Haven't used it for over 1 year now and will never be able to use it again.

and you expect me to confirm or deny my IRL name?

Oops. Didn't know it was your IRL name. You don't want to answer it then. Skip it.

[theymos]

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done.

Not true. If 2 other people on the default trust list exclude him, then he will no longer be in the default trust network.

[Bicknellski]

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done.

Not true. If 2 other people on the default trust list exclude him, then he will no longer be in the default trust network.

Those 2 people need to cut him loose.

[TECSHARE]

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done.

Not true. If 2 other people on the default trust list exclude him, then he will no longer be in the default trust network.

Of course you and Badbear only reserve such measures for people like me with one single overblown accusation against me, but for people like Vod and Quickseller suddenly again you repeat the mantra of how you do not moderate trust.

[Twipple]

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done.

Not true. If 2 other people on the default trust list exclude him, then he will no longer be in the default trust network.

Now that you have seen this thread, can't you just look at the IP's used and everything to verify I am not the alt that he claims I am ? Kind of feeling ridiculous that even the forum doesn't do anything for such trust abuse that Quickseller is implementing.

[Muhammed Zakir]

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done.

Not true. If 2 other people on the default trust list exclude him, then he will no longer be in the default trust network.

Now that you have seen this thread, can't you just look at the IP's used and everything to verify I am not the alt that he claims I am ? Kind of feeling ridiculous that even the forum doesn't do anything for such trust abuse that Quickseller is implementing.

You can easily use a Tor or VPN. Also even if a scammer account was sold, negative feedback should not be removed. Proof for this are plausibly manipulated. Many threads will popup if negative feedback are removed for these kind of things. I feel sorry for your loose but you will have to live with it. I suggest you to join a campaign which accepts users with red rating.

[Twipple]

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done.

Not true. If 2 other people on the default trust list exclude him, then he will no longer be in the default trust network.

Now that you have seen this thread, can't you just look at the IP's used and everything to verify I am not the alt that he claims I am ? Kind of feeling ridiculous that even the forum doesn't do anything for such trust abuse that Quickseller is implementing.

You can easily use a Tor or VPN. Also even if a scammer account was sold, negative feedback should not be removed. Proof for this are plausibly manipulated. Many threads will popup if negative feedback are removed for these kind of things. I feel sorry for your loose but you will have to live with it. I suggest you to join a campaign which accepts users with red rating.

Please don't bother commenting to increase your post count for the sig you have.  Obviously TOR/VPN can be used, but I don't think tacoman or me were using that before the negative trust was given.

Also, Twipple had no traces of scam or anything . Its just the address that was posted by Twipple which somehow was related with the address that tacoman posted which I believe both of them were deposit address for the same site like localbitcoins or a gambling site.

[alani123]

M Z, why do you always jump on the wagon to defend Quickseller like that? This time you didn't exactly defend him but effectively derailed the discussion with irrelevant posts.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Please don't bother commenting to increase your post count for the sig you have.

I like to be part of this forum and I need to post for this to happen. Putting a paid sig helps me get some money atleast for the time I spend. If you think I am spamming, feel free to report those spammy posts or tell a mod that I am spamming & to ban me.

Obviously TOR/VPN can be used, but I don't think tacoman or me were using that before the negative trust was given.

How can you tell tacoman didn't use VPN/Tor before getting negative trust? It is obvious scammers use VPN/Tor when/before they start to scam.

Also, Twipple had no traces of scam or anything . Its just the address that was posted by Twipple which somehow was related with the address that tacoman posted which I believe both of them were deposit address for the same site like localbitcoins or a gambling site.

Blazr did a great analysis but result was negative (for you). If you can provide proof it is a deposit/withdrawal address of an exchange/gambling site, it will be removed.

M Z, why do you always jump on the wagon to defend Quickseller like that? This time you didn't exactly defend him but effectively derailed the discussion with irrelevant posts.

I post what I understand/know. Twipple requested/said theymos to do an IP check and I said it may not work. May I know if there is something wrong in what I said? The post you are referring to isn't derailing or irrelevant.

[alani123]

I'm not saying that what you're saying here is wrong, I just notice you post on threads about Quickseller too often and defending his actions most of the time.

[Bicknellski]

M Z, why do you always jump on the wagon to defend Quickseller like that? This time you didn't exactly defend him but effectively derailed the discussion with irrelevant posts.

There is a pattern across more than just the MZ account and Quickseller.

Reason?

Same person?

Partner?

Paid shill?

Spam of someone building the account for sale later?

[Twipple]

Please don't bother commenting to increase your post count for the sig you have.

I like to be part of this forum and I need to post for this to happen. Putting a paid sig helps me get some money atleast for the time I spend. If you think I am spamming, feel free to report those spammy posts or tell a mod that I am spamming & to ban me.

Then stop posting the obvious, ofcourse I know he could be using TOR/VPN , and so does Theymos or any admins , but there are other reasons I believe he was using a normal IP before based on his posts.

With your unnecessary comments you are just supporting Quickseller, without knowing all the facts.
PS: Get a life, don't just post on the forum to be paid.


As for Blazr's analysis, it was just on the exchange sites. It could perhaps be any Online bitcoin service. its almost impossible to know which one, but all the transactions happening or happened with those wallet addresses do point out that it is not one person's wallet, those addresses have been used only once, and only in that sweep together.

[Twipple]

Still sticking to what I said. Isn't it obvious already, that it is an exchange/gambling site/Bitcoin service address ?
The addresses have been used only once, and only for funds transfer outside to another address. It clearly follows an exchange/gambling site deposit pattern.

Even if we stick to what Quickseller said, that common owner behind them, then even with that, no one creates a brand new wallet, creates 3 addresses under it, and imports them together, and only use them for sending money out, ONLY ONCE , so his bitcointalk accounts could be neg repped 3 months later.

3-4 of these addresses which were sweeped, have only one transaction. All you need to do is follow the transactions, and it will become evident that they are from any exchange/site.

And My MAIN ARGUMENT :
If Twipple was actually a scammer, and was ditching the account, why would he request a loan to the only address that will lead to him being tracked, and that too for an amount, which is 1/3rd of the amount, he would have easily got if he sold the account ? It all clearly doesn't add up.
Even the loan amount doesn't move out until 6 days later when it is sweeped out, together with all the addresses.

[Twipple]

Here is the address he mentioned I am in control of : https://blockchain.info/address/1Fo6Uy8JWnV9SnDM5LBnYA8nnCQgbfbyDT

Click on any transaction , and tell me if you see it being used as an individual user's transaction. And the keys claimed are used only in one transaction. 

[tspacepilot]

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done.

Not true. If 2 other people on the default trust list exclude him, then he will no longer be in the default trust network.

Just saw this (somehow I missed it in an earlier read of this thread). 

If I understand this correctly it means that if any two people on default trust write

~Quickseller

then he is excluded?

Is that actually correct?

[Muhammed Zakir]

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done.

Not true. If 2 other people on the default trust list exclude him, then he will no longer be in the default trust network.

Just saw this (somehow I missed it in an earlier read of this thread). 

If I understand this correctly it means that if any two people on default trust write

~Quickseller

then he is excluded?

Is that actually correct?

Yes. No. of persons who exclude must be greater than number of people who add him. If 1 more person in trust depth 1 add him, 3 people in trust depth will have to exclude him.

[tspacepilot]

As long as BadBear trusts him nothing can be done.

Not true. If 2 other people on the default trust list exclude him, then he will no longer be in the default trust network.

Just saw this (somehow I missed it in an earlier read of this thread). 

If I understand this correctly it means that if any two people on default trust write

~Quickseller

then he is excluded?

Is that actually correct?

Yes. No. of persons who exclude must be greater than number of people who add him. If 1 more person in trust depth 1 add him, 3 people in trust depth will have to exclude him.

Hey, thanks MZ, is this somewhere in the trust thread and I didn't see it?  How did you know this?

[Vod]

Hey, thanks MZ, is this somewhere in the trust thread and I didn't see it?  How did you know this?

Theymos posted it somewhere, but I don't remember the link.  

Actually I found it - it's right here in this thread. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035687.msg11193212#msg11193212

[Quickseller]

Hey, thanks MZ, is this somewhere in the trust thread and I didn't see it?  How did you know this?

Theymos posted it somewhere, but I don't remember the link. 

Actually I found it - it's right here in this thread. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035687.msg11193212#msg11193212

He actually responded to that exact quote, the response was several days after theymos had posted that statement. 

[Vod]

Hey, thanks MZ, is this somewhere in the trust thread and I didn't see it?  How did you know this?

Theymos posted it somewhere, but I don't remember the link. 

Actually I found it - it's right here in this thread. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035687.msg11193212#msg11193212

He actually responded to that exact quote, the response was several days after theymos had posted that statement. 

LOL!  I didn't catch that either, because I modified my quote to not show it.

I even spent 10 minutes searching google.   

[Quickseller]

Hey, thanks MZ, is this somewhere in the trust thread and I didn't see it?  How did you know this?

Theymos posted it somewhere, but I don't remember the link. 

Actually I found it - it's right here in this thread. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035687.msg11193212#msg11193212

He actually responded to that exact quote, the response was several days after theymos had posted that statement. 

LOL!  I didn't catch that either, because I modified my quote to not show it.

I even spent 10 minutes searching google.   

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035687.msg11257211#msg11257211

Above is the post where he replied. I personally wouldn't spend any time searching for answers for that person, I have had him tagged as a spammer for a long time and I doubt he has any actual interest in the answer to any questions he asks.

I personally have also had much better luck in finding things with the forum search as it allows you to search specific threads and specific subs.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Hey, thanks MZ, is this somewhere in the trust thread and I didn't see it?  How did you know this?

It is in "Trust Improvement" thread in which theymos mentioned about newly added features.

I made three improvements to the Trust system:

 -snip-

Secondly, it is now possible to exclude users in your trust list. Prefix a person's name with a tilde character (~) if you want to exclude them. If you exclude someone, then you will never see that person's ratings as trusted, even if the person is trusted by other people in your trust network.

Exclusions also travel through the trust network. If one person in your trust network trusts someone and another person excludes them, then whether or not they're seen as trusted for you is decided using these rules:
1. If someone at a lower depth (ie, closer to your trust list) disagrees with someone at a higher depth, then the person at the lowest depth wins. Due to this, no one can overrule anything you put in your trust list directly.
2. If multiple people at the same depth disagree, then the rating type that is most popular among these people wins. For example, say that you have three people in your trust list. If two of them trust someone and one of them excludes that person, then the person will not be excluded.
3. If an equal number of people at the same depth include and exclude a person, then the person will be included.

  -snip-

[Blazed]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1048706.msg11282428#msg11282428

Made a list of all the lies

[tspacepilot]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1048706.msg11282428#msg11282428

Made a list of all the lies

Actually, he's just rickrolling the forum.  It's too bad he's making light of a serious situation.

[Twipple]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1048706.msg11282428#msg11282428

Made a list of all the lies

https://youtu.be/uQZMaG1eO74?t=59
Its no lie what few of the people say. Perhaps, you guys should read the post in the first page , and make sense out of it, than deviating the topic discussion.

[tspacepilot]

Hey, thanks MZ, is this somewhere in the trust thread and I didn't see it?  How did you know this?

Theymos posted it somewhere, but I don't remember the link. 

Actually I found it - it's right here in this thread. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035687.msg11193212#msg11193212

He actually responded to that exact quote, the response was several days after theymos had posted that statement. 

LOL!  I didn't catch that either, because I modified my quote to not show it.

I even spent 10 minutes searching google.   

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035687.msg11257211#msg11257211

Thanks, Vod.  I appreciate it.

Above is the post where he replied. I personally wouldn't spend any time searching for answers for that person, I have had him tagged as a spammer for a long time and I doubt he has any actual interest in the answer to any questions he asks.

I personally have also had much better luck in finding things with the forum search as it allows you to search specific threads and specific subs.

Lol, I love the god-like voice he uses.  I have spoken therefore->TRUE.

You have trolled me and tagged me with all kinds of lies (and using multiple accounts) but that doesn't make them true.  I have tagged you as a hothead with a god-complex.  Take note everyone, tspacepilot has spoken therefore->TRUE!

[Twipple]

I would reiterate and re-state my argument and ask Quickseller to use his brains on this again.

"Alt of tacoman71, scammer.

tacoman71 posted the address 1Fz6xXind3Kovsw4ArW6u7oMXRZTUSBj1G (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812533.msg10239935#msg10239935) which signed https://blockchain.info/tx/bfd3ec181aeae8abd8da9e63f6c4772ff8fceb6d4c0f3472cac66b6c77649353 that was also signed by 1Fo6Uy8JWnV9SnDM5LBnYA8nnCQgbfbyDT and Twipple posted 15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924856.msg10255801#msg10255801 which signed d515a082b1df9b515e8f826cae84f41629183f26575bd014ba3d32ecddc9b633"

The address that Twipple had posted, was the one which was used to take a loan, and soon after that defaulted on it, and was sold to me(new Twipple). Now Quickseller argues that all the loan stuff was to hide a scam or something or do dump the account ,
But here is the fact " IT WAS THE LOAN ADDRESS POSTED WHICH QUICKSELLER USED, TO ACCUSE THIS ACCOUNT OF BEING THE ALT OF THE SCAMMER" . But I have already said the fact, that since the amount moved out of the loan address 7 days after getting the loan. It clearly is part of an exchange or a gambling site. If Twipple didn't want that loan, why wouldn't he just request the loan to be cancelled for the loan to be given back. Basically, its stupidity , to take a small amount(only 0.03 BTC loan was taken) for such an account, and happen to post the address which is so INDIRECTLY related with a scammer's address.  


Why Can't a trusted member or Moderator consider any of the facts. Nothing adds up.

[Twipple]

Bump . Quickseller care to reply in the thread ever ?

[Quickseller]

Bump . Quickseller care to reply in the thread ever ?

No. I have addressed your concerns about you not being an alt of tacoman71, although I do find it extremely suspicious that Ume just so happens to PM me within ~24 hours of you PM'ing me to have your negative trust removed and just so happens to post in this thread very shortly after you created this thread.

I have updated my negative trust to reflect that you created the scam accusation in order to buy the account for a lower then market price, effectively scamming the owner of the account of money that he reasonably could have received from a sale of the account under reasonable circumstances.

[alani123]

Bump . Quickseller care to reply in the thread ever ?

No. I have addressed your concerns about you not being an alt of tacoman71, although I do find it extremely suspicious that Ume just so happens to PM me within ~24 hours of you PM'ing me to have your negative trust removed and just so happens to post in this thread very shortly after you created this thread.

I have updated my negative trust to reflect that you created the scam accusation in order to buy the account for a lower then market price, effectively scamming the owner of the account of money that he reasonably could have received from a sale of the account under reasonable circumstances.

Do you have any evidence to support those claims or is this just speculation? This sounds like a story one could make up from assumptions.

[tspacepilot]

Bump . Quickseller care to reply in the thread ever ?

No. I have addressed your concerns about you not being an alt of tacoman71, although I do find it extremely suspicious that Ume just so happens to PM me within ~24 hours of you PM'ing me to have your negative trust removed and just so happens to post in this thread very shortly after you created this thread.

I have updated my negative trust to reflect that you created the scam accusation in order to buy the account for a lower then market price, effectively scamming the owner of the account of money that he reasonably could have received from a sale of the account under reasonable circumstances.

Do you have any evidence to support those claims or is this just speculation? This sounds like a story one could make up from assumptions.

He doesn't need evidence.  He does this sort of thing as he feels.  He laid multiple negatives on me using alts and with zero evidence.  As the mods say, "the trust system isn't moderated".  Huh, what can you do?

[Quickseller]

Bump . Quickseller care to reply in the thread ever ?

No. I have addressed your concerns about you not being an alt of tacoman71, although I do find it extremely suspicious that Ume just so happens to PM me within ~24 hours of you PM'ing me to have your negative trust removed and just so happens to post in this thread very shortly after you created this thread.

I have updated my negative trust to reflect that you created the scam accusation in order to buy the account for a lower then market price, effectively scamming the owner of the account of money that he reasonably could have received from a sale of the account under reasonable circumstances.

Do you have any evidence to support those claims or is this just speculation? This sounds like a story one could make up from assumptions.

Have you considered looking at the revised trust rating that I left him? I am no forensics expert, however it looks like pretty convincing proof to me

Your addresses are not those of an exchange. I sent you a list of addresses that are likely part of the wallet file none of which are associated with an exchange; Blazr did a much more in-depbth analysis of each of the addresses giving additional evidence that they are not exchange addresses.

Furthermore, you opened up a scam accusation against Ume at most two hours prior to contacting him to buy the account. This means one of two things, one - you faked the sale in order to attempt to protect the trust rating of your account, or more likely, two - opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply, which according to your screenshots you were able to do. Regardless it is more then appropriate to let the negative trust remain on the account. (Delete)]/quote]

[Twipple]

Bump . Quickseller care to reply in the thread ever ?

No. I have addressed your concerns about you not being an alt of tacoman71, although I do find it extremely suspicious that Ume just so happens to PM me within ~24 hours of you PM'ing me to have your negative trust removed and just so happens to post in this thread very shortly after you created this thread.

I have updated my negative trust to reflect that you created the scam accusation in order to buy the account for a lower then market price, effectively scamming the owner of the account of money that he reasonably could have received from a sale of the account under reasonable circumstances.

Do you have any evidence to support those claims or is this just speculation? This sounds like a story one could make up from assumptions.

Have you considered looking at the revised trust rating that I left him? I am no forensics expert, however it looks like pretty convincing proof to me

Your addresses are not those of an exchange. I sent you a list of addresses that are likely part of the wallet file none of which are associated with an exchange; Blazr did a much more in-depbth analysis of each of the addresses giving additional evidence that they are not exchange addresses.

Furthermore, you opened up a scam accusation against Ume at most two hours prior to contacting him to buy the account. This means one of two things, one - you faked the sale in order to attempt to protect the trust rating of your account, or more likely, two - opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply, which according to your screenshots you were able to do. Regardless it is more then appropriate to let the negative trust remain on the account. (Delete)]/quote]

Here we go again. So from what you are saying it seems you are implying that I faked the sale. But here is the thing that will clarify your ignorance of the fact. You neg repped me due to the loan address Twipple requested the loan to. If I had to fake it, why would I be stupid enough to use some address related with the scammer ?

And I opened the scam accusation against Ume, because I thought he edited out the loan message, and I saw his own alts giving him trust, which I also reported. What exactly are you saying ? Ume was a FM then, so I am stupid to use a Member account, to trap my own FM account ?

Why is it appropriate to leave the trust , If I am not a scammer ?

And Why did you remove trust from Pagalwana, who had the same case as me, but just because you escrowed it, you removed it. Should I give you your 10 cents for the escrow ? ANd WIll you remove it then ?

[tspacepilot]

Bump . Quickseller care to reply in the thread ever ?

No. I have addressed your concerns about you not being an alt of tacoman71, although I do find it extremely suspicious that Ume just so happens to PM me within ~24 hours of you PM'ing me to have your negative trust removed and just so happens to post in this thread very shortly after you created this thread.

I have updated my negative trust to reflect that you created the scam accusation in order to buy the account for a lower then market price, effectively scamming the owner of the account of money that he reasonably could have received from a sale of the account under reasonable circumstances.

Do you have any evidence to support those claims or is this just speculation? This sounds like a story one could make up from assumptions.

Have you considered looking at the revised trust rating that I left him? I am no forensics expert, however it looks like pretty convincing proof to me

Your addresses are not those of an exchange. I sent you a list of addresses that are likely part of the wallet file none of which are associated with an exchange; Blazr did a much more in-depbth analysis of each of the addresses giving additional evidence that they are not exchange addresses.

Furthermore, you opened up a scam accusation against Ume at most two hours prior to contacting him to buy the account. This means one of two things, one - you faked the sale in order to attempt to protect the trust rating of your account, or more likely, two - opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply, which according to your screenshots you were able to do. Regardless it is more then appropriate to let the negative trust remain on the account. (Delete)]/quote]

Here we go again. So from what you are saying it seems you are implying that I faked the sale. But here is the thing that will clarify your ignorance of the fact. You neg repped me due to the loan address Twipple requested the loan to. If I had to fake it, why would I be stupid enough to use some address related with the scammer ?

And I opened the scam accusation against Ume, because I thought he edited out the loan message, and I saw his own alts giving him trust, which I also reported. What exactly are you saying ? Ume was a FM then, so I am stupid to use a Member account, to trap my own FM account ?

Why is it appropriate to leave the trust , If I am not a scammer ?

And Why did you remove trust from Pagalwana, who had the same case as me, but just because you escrowed it, you removed it. Should I give you your 10 cents for the escrow ? ANd WIll you remove it then ?

Here's the deal: it's absolutely pointless to argue with him.  I've yet to see one example of a case where arguing the facts with quickseller led to him backing down.  It's his personality, he doesn't back down.  Once you've openly crossed him in public you are not going to get any respect from him unless he sees you as more powerful than him.  Those are literally the only people he shows any kind of humanity or deference towards.  Anyone else is SOL.  This is going to continue until the people above him recognize that allowing this guy to take a scorched earth policy with people who disagree with him is problematic.  However, because QS remains deferent to those above him, they don't actually experience the bullying, quicktempered, impossibly-arrogant side of him that the rest of us have to deal with.  Look at my case, he went after me with two different accounts leaving three negative feedbacks and we've literally never even traded or interacted beyond the fact that I called him out for his hot temper and had the audacity to argue with him in public.  He didn't need any evidence to do this to me, why would he need evidence for anything else he does?  This will last until someone above him corrects the situation by removing him from their trust list(s).

[Twipple]

Here's the deal: it's absolutely pointless to argue with him.  I've yet to see one example of a case where arguing the facts with quickseller led to him backing down.  It's his personality, he doesn't back down.  Once you've openly crossed him in public you are not going to get any respect from him unless he sees you as more powerful than him.  Those are literally the only people he shows any kind of humanity or deference towards.  Anyone else is SOL.  This is going to continue until the people above him recognize that allowing this guy to take a scorched earth policy with people who disagree with him is problematic.  However, because QS remains deferent to those above him, they don't actually experience the bullying, quicktempered, impossibly-arrogant side of him that the rest of us have to deal with.  Look at my case, he went after me with two different accounts leaving three negative feedbacks and we've literally never even traded or interacted beyond the fact that I called him out for his hot temper and had the audacity to argue with him in public.  He didn't need any evidence to do this to me, why would he need evidence for anything else he does?  This will last until someone above him corrects the situation by removing him from their trust list(s).

If he was to block me from his PM, then there is nothing else I can do except for just post here. As for trust I doubt it will happen, as he probably spots more scams than the wrong accusations he makes. And since he will never make any accusations towards the more trusted like you said, he will never be removed anyways .

[tspacepilot]

Here's the deal: it's absolutely pointless to argue with him.  I've yet to see one example of a case where arguing the facts with quickseller led to him backing down.  It's his personality, he doesn't back down.  Once you've openly crossed him in public you are not going to get any respect from him unless he sees you as more powerful than him.  Those are literally the only people he shows any kind of humanity or deference towards.  Anyone else is SOL.  This is going to continue until the people above him recognize that allowing this guy to take a scorched earth policy with people who disagree with him is problematic.  However, because QS remains deferent to those above him, they don't actually experience the bullying, quicktempered, impossibly-arrogant side of him that the rest of us have to deal with.  Look at my case, he went after me with two different accounts leaving three negative feedbacks and we've literally never even traded or interacted beyond the fact that I called him out for his hot temper and had the audacity to argue with him in public.  He didn't need any evidence to do this to me, why would he need evidence for anything else he does?  This will last until someone above him corrects the situation by removing him from their trust list(s).

If he was to block me from his PM, then there is nothing else I can do except for just post here. As for trust I doubt it will happen, as he probably spots more scams than the wrong accusations he makes. And since he will never make any accusations towards the more trusted like you said, he will never be removed anyways .

Time will tell if you are right about whether or not he will be removed.  And it may be that he does some good "busting scams".  I only know that I saw him shouting at people and called him out for it then he began his smear-campaign against me.  As I said, I've never seen him back down or say he's sorry so I can't imagine it happening in your case (and, FWIW, I don't really know all the details of your case to begin with).  I mainly just see him intransigent and exploding every time someone says he's wrong and I know that's not the kind of person who should be trusted with authority.  I think the best we can hope for is that some of the other mods and people on default trust take a close look into how he interacts with people and decide whether they want him on their trust lists.

[Twipple]

Time will tell if you are right about whether or not he will be removed.  And it may be that he does some good "busting scams".  I only know that I saw him shouting at people and called him out for it then he began his smear-campaign against me.  As I said, I've never seen him back down or say he's sorry so I can't imagine it happening in your case (and, FWIW, I don't really know all the details of your case to begin with).  I mainly just see him intransigent and exploding every time someone says he's wrong and I know that's not the kind of person who should be trusted with authority.  I think the best we can hope for is that some of the other mods and people on default trust take a close look into how he interacts with people and decide whether they want him on their trust lists.

I agree thats the problem with him. Firstly one he starts a scam accusation, he is hardly seen replying back unless the person starts a thread about him.

As for the mods, it won't happen as there isn't a mod for scam accusations on the thread. People are considered to be responsible enough for their decisions to be safe from scams themselves.

[tspacepilot]

Time will tell if you are right about whether or not he will be removed.  And it may be that he does some good "busting scams".  I only know that I saw him shouting at people and called him out for it then he began his smear-campaign against me.  As I said, I've never seen him back down or say he's sorry so I can't imagine it happening in your case (and, FWIW, I don't really know all the details of your case to begin with).  I mainly just see him intransigent and exploding every time someone says he's wrong and I know that's not the kind of person who should be trusted with authority.  I think the best we can hope for is that some of the other mods and people on default trust take a close look into how he interacts with people and decide whether they want him on their trust lists.

I agree thats the problem with him. Firstly one he starts a scam accusation, he is hardly seen replying back unless the person starts a thread about him.

As for the mods, it won't happen as there isn't a mod for scam accusations on the thread. People are considered to be responsible enough for their decisions to be safe from scams themselves.

I was referring to the fact that QS is currently trusted by BadBear, who is a mod on default trust.  Therefore QS's ratings show up on anyone he decides to ding.  Because he's so nonchalant about using this power against anyone and everyone he's ever had a quarrel with, and he's absolutely remorseless about this MO, the only hope for those who were falsely accused is that he fall off the default trust list.  This can happen two ways: 1) Badbear removes him from his trust list 2) 2 or more people in DefaultTrust1 write "~Quickseller" in their trust lists (effectivly excluding him).

The reason I think it will happen eventually is tha I was falsely accused by Tradefortress nearly 3 years ago.  At the time, he tried to blackmail me to pay him back an arbitrary amount which he accused me of taking from him.  I wouldn't cave to his blackmail and false accusations and for a while, I had a warning on my account because of the feedback from TradeFortress.  However, history eventually vindicated me because TradeFortress revealed himself to be the kind of person he is and he now has one of the lowest trust ratings around (-500, approx).  He was removed from default trust.  Ironically, it's these false accusations from TradeFortress which Quickseller now considers to be his reasons for neg-repping me.  I'm pretty confident that, just like before, people who side with scammers and liars will eventually make mistakes and reveal themselves for who they are and be removed from default trust.  It happened with Tradefortress, why wouldn't it happen with Quickseller when he aligns himself with tradefortress so nonchalalantly?

Time will tell.

[Twipple]

Time will tell if you are right about whether or not he will be removed.  And it may be that he does some good "busting scams".  I only know that I saw him shouting at people and called him out for it then he began his smear-campaign against me.  As I said, I've never seen him back down or say he's sorry so I can't imagine it happening in your case (and, FWIW, I don't really know all the details of your case to begin with).  I mainly just see him intransigent and exploding every time someone says he's wrong and I know that's not the kind of person who should be trusted with authority.  I think the best we can hope for is that some of the other mods and people on default trust take a close look into how he interacts with people and decide whether they want him on their trust lists.

I agree thats the problem with him. Firstly one he starts a scam accusation, he is hardly seen replying back unless the person starts a thread about him.

As for the mods, it won't happen as there isn't a mod for scam accusations on the thread. People are considered to be responsible enough for their decisions to be safe from scams themselves.

I was referring to the fact that QS is currently trusted by BadBear, who is a mod on default trust.  Therefore QS's ratings show up on anyone he decides to ding.  Because he's so nonchalant about using this power against anyone and everyone he's ever had a quarrel with, and he's absolutely remorseless about this MO, the only hope for those who were falsely accused is that he fall off the default trust list.  This can happen two ways: 1) Badbear removes him from his trust list 2) 2 or more people in DefaultTrust1 write "~Quickseller" in their trust lists (effectivly excluding him).

The reason I think it will happen eventually is tha I was falsely accused by Tradefortress nearly 3 years ago.  At the time, he tried to blackmail me to pay him back an arbitrary amount which he accused me of taking from him.  I wouldn't cave to his blackmail and false accusations and for a while, I had a warning on my account because of the feedback from TradeFortress.  However, history eventually vindicated me because TradeFortress revealed himself to be the kind of person he is and he now has one of the lowest trust ratings around (-500, approx).  He was removed from default trust.  Ironically, it's these false accusations from TradeFortress which Quickseller now considers to be his reasons for neg-repping me.  I'm pretty confident that, just like before, people who side with scammers and liars will eventually make mistakes and reveal themselves for who they are and be removed from default trust.  It happened with Tradefortress, why wouldn't it happen with Quickseller when he aligns himself with tradefortress so nonchalalantly?

Time will tell.

Maybe you can PM badbear and explain him the situation ,and make a thread and explain it in that. So if you are not at fault , then you can have it removed.

[Twipple]

Quickseller now that I am blocked on your PM here is a reply to your trust rating on me .

Furthermore, you opened up a scam accusation against Ume at most two hours prior to contacting him to buy the account. This means one of two things, one - you faked the sale in order to attempt to protect the trust rating of your account, or more likely, two - opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply, which according to your screenshots you were able to do. Regardless it is more then appropriate to let the negative trust remain on the account.

From the one of two things :

First : You claim I faked the sale in order to attempt to protect the trust rating of your account.
What do you mean faked the sale ? And in Order to protect whose trust rating ? I started scam accusation against Ume, because I thought he was giving out loans to only try and steal accounts. I also posted about his alts giving him the scam accusation.


Second : You claim that I opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply, which according to your screenshots you were able to do. (which didn't happen as the scam accusation thread was opened Later)

But Now,

Please go to the thread and look at this :

After loan period is over:[/b]

Today Ume creates a new thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941098  (after loan period over)

hey guys !!!

i provided a loan to Twipple : and i got collatearl his account member status i provided 0.02 ! so i got a question ttoday is the repaymnet day but he did`nt pay me yet ! so what to do seize the account ?

Then some one says:

You should discuss with him. Probably he got some difficulties to deal with.  

to which Ume replies

You should discuss with him. Probably he got some difficulties to deal with.  

well i dont even know his new account ! he did`nt try to get to contact with me ! he did`nt transact the amount which i send from his addy so what to do just confused !

In this ^ post he clearly says, that he doesn't even know Twipple's new account , and from the posts mentioned above , we can see that : evrynet is  Twipples alt account who ad posted to confirm his loan, and Ume denies even knowing about it.

Now do you see at the end , that evrynet was an alt of Twipple ? Now I believed that Twipple messaged Ume that he will be using the alt evrynet to get back the account, and I expected Ume to not have deleted the PM along with other terms. If I had started the scam accusation before this message, then he would definitely have deleted it to remove any proof. I wanted to buy that account, to confirm the scam accusation before making any claims. Which is why I contacted him before through another account . And Surprisingly guess what , I didn't wait for his reply for the buying of the account. And rather posted it , once I knew he had seen my message.  
Is this really hard to understand ?  

I also opened the scam accusation after my message to him , and in your trust you claim the opposite" opened the scam accusation in order to put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply "

Lastly, you say
"put pressure on Ume to sell any account he had in his possession cheaply"

I paid 0.05 BTC for a Member account. That is not cheap. Rather people pay equal or less for the same kind of account. It was Ume's wish if he wanted to sell me the account. And even if I bought the account, despite it being me who opened the scam accusation, it does not mean I scammed someone.
Neither did I force him to sell it to me because of the scam accusation.

[tspacepilot]

Time will tell if you are right about whether or not he will be removed.  And it may be that he does some good "busting scams".  I only know that I saw him shouting at people and called him out for it then he began his smear-campaign against me.  As I said, I've never seen him back down or say he's sorry so I can't imagine it happening in your case (and, FWIW, I don't really know all the details of your case to begin with).  I mainly just see him intransigent and exploding every time someone says he's wrong and I know that's not the kind of person who should be trusted with authority.  I think the best we can hope for is that some of the other mods and people on default trust take a close look into how he interacts with people and decide whether they want him on their trust lists.

I agree thats the problem with him. Firstly one he starts a scam accusation, he is hardly seen replying back unless the person starts a thread about him.

As for the mods, it won't happen as there isn't a mod for scam accusations on the thread. People are considered to be responsible enough for their decisions to be safe from scams themselves.

I was referring to the fact that QS is currently trusted by BadBear, who is a mod on default trust.  Therefore QS's ratings show up on anyone he decides to ding.  Because he's so nonchalant about using this power against anyone and everyone he's ever had a quarrel with, and he's absolutely remorseless about this MO, the only hope for those who were falsely accused is that he fall off the default trust list.  This can happen two ways: 1) Badbear removes him from his trust list 2) 2 or more people in DefaultTrust1 write "~Quickseller" in their trust lists (effectivly excluding him).

The reason I think it will happen eventually is tha I was falsely accused by Tradefortress nearly 3 years ago.  At the time, he tried to blackmail me to pay him back an arbitrary amount which he accused me of taking from him.  I wouldn't cave to his blackmail and false accusations and for a while, I had a warning on my account because of the feedback from TradeFortress.  However, history eventually vindicated me because TradeFortress revealed himself to be the kind of person he is and he now has one of the lowest trust ratings around (-500, approx).  He was removed from default trust.  Ironically, it's these false accusations from TradeFortress which Quickseller now considers to be his reasons for neg-repping me.  I'm pretty confident that, just like before, people who side with scammers and liars will eventually make mistakes and reveal themselves for who they are and be removed from default trust.  It happened with Tradefortress, why wouldn't it happen with Quickseller when he aligns himself with tradefortress so nonchalalantly?

Time will tell.

Maybe you can PM badbear and explain him the situation ,and make a thread and explain it in that. So if you are not at fault , then you can have it removed.

It has been done.  Still waiting to hear back from BadBear, I assume he has bigger fish to fry.  I did make a thread about it,but it quickly degenerated into a mudslinging flame-war that wasn't helping anything productive.  QS doesn't back down and I wasn't going to cop to doing something that I didn't do.  Other mods have written back to me about it that essentially it's up to Badbear who he trusts.  I know I wouldn't want QS's rash reactions and flamethrowing rhetoric blamed on me, but we'll see what happens in the end.

[ebzec]

[]Still waiting to hear back from BadBear, I assume he has bigger fish to fry. []

Yes. BadBear is busy. Be patient and keep posting, and eventually you'll nag him into replying  he'll ban you he'll hear your pleas.

In the meantime, each one of your posts counts towards your sig campaign, so even if he ignores you, you still win!
Always find the bright side, and look at it, see?
Now let's turn that frown upside-down!

[Vod]

[]Still waiting to hear back from BadBear, I assume he has bigger fish to fry. []

Yes. BadBear is busy. Be patient and keep posting, and eventually you'll nag him into replying  he'll ban you he'll hear your pleas.

In the meantime, each one of your posts counts towards your sig campaign, so even if he ignores you, you still win!
Always find the bright side, and look at it, see?
Now let's turn that frown upside-down!

I think most sig campaigns don't count posts in Meta.

[ebzec]

[]
I think most sig campaigns don't count posts in Meta.

I think that was the plan, but then things got back to normal. IIRC it came down to "text can't be autotranslate/copypaste (Eliza & better chatbots are fine) & character count > 10, it counts.

I don't think there are any set rules tho, because 'soon as you have rules, someone alway finds a loophole & exploits it, so it's up to everybody to tell everybody what to maybe not do, but BadBear wields the banhammer.
Something like that, that's the way it was explained to me.

[Twipple]

Quickseller, I am sure you read the reply on the top of the page, where I pointed out various things in your trust rating. Any reason , why aren't you replying on the thread regarding that ?