GreydonIselmoe: Issue resolved

[opossum]

By all means, pay zorrocoin his deserved amount, my opinion clearly wasn't proper. Magic8Ball I'm okay with you paying him out via the held BTC

Glad you come to a settlement here, as you just said "pay zorrocoin his deserved amount". Your opinion does matter and was proper if.. You never kicked him half way threw the week because lack of funds to pay all members, this should have all been worked out and funds expenditures totalled before you accepted them into the campaign to avoid any of this that has happened. Live and learn so they say. I agree with the other guy being questionable at best, he was on a posting mission just 2minutes between posts and that is not bringing constructiveness to any thread how would he read and then take the time to write the post lol I agree that you are very lucky not to be banned "Miftach"

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[GreydonIselmoe]

By all means, pay zorrocoin his deserved amount, my opinion clearly wasn't proper. Magic8Ball I'm okay with you paying him out via the held BTC

Glad you come to a settlement here, as you just said "pay zorrocoin his deserved amount". Your opinion does matter and was proper if.. You never kicked him half way threw the week because lack of funds to pay all members, this should have all been worked out and funds expenditures totalled before you accepted them into the campaign to avoid any of this that has happened. Live and learn so they say. I agree with the other guy being questionable at best, he was on a posting mission just 2minutes between posts and that is not bringing constructiveness to any thread how would he read and then take the time to write the post lol I agree that you are very lucky not to be banned "Miftach"

For the record, it wasn't a lack of funds, it was a lack of willingness to pay out such a high amount to users which we felt were not generating our "moneys-worth" of advertising. Hope everyone understands this, and we can move on with our crypto lives

[Magic8Ball]

# GreydonIselmoe can remove any poster if he/she judges the posts to be unhelpful to the campaign
# Since removal is done before payment date, the posts till then should be considered and paid according to the rate
# GreydonIselmoe deposited 1 BTC in escrow and has paid regularly, making it clear that he/she was not intending to scam
# Zorrocoin was wrong to have called GreydonIselmoe a scammer and instead should've tried resolving the situation peacefully

My solution:

# GreydonIselmoe pays 0.0054 BTC to Zorrocoin for the 6 posts made. He/she can ask this to be paid from escrow
# Zorrocoin apologizes for calling GreydonIselmoe a scammer, and edits/moves this thread appropriately

# GreydonIselmoe can remove any poster if he/she judges the posts to be unhelpful to the campaign

I agree with that except the removal date. He cannot remove in the middle of week unless he specified in the OP.
One more thing , If he still kept spammish posters like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=498332;sa=showPosts , I dont see any valid point for being removed.

# Since removal is done before payment date, the posts till then should be considered and paid according to the rate

That was only thing I wanted from him for being removal. Please have a look at my first post after being removed. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1037386.msg11315085#msg11315085

# GreydonIselmoe deposited 1 BTC in escrow and has paid regularly, making it clear that he/she was not intending to scam

Escrow is OK but he changed terms regularly and this makes him at least untrustable. On the other hand, since he didnt pay me, from my point of view , he deserves a scam accusation.

# Zorrocoin was wrong to have called GreydonIselmoe a scammer and instead should've tried resolving the situation peacefully

I have already tried and explained what I wrote here. At least I told him 3 times, but he regrets to paying repeating the same " You didnt reach minimum post ...". He insisted to not paying. I have accused him about his insist. If he has alreay paid or accepted his fault(I believe he had a fault by removing in the middle of week and not paying when he kept SPAMMISH posters).  So what do you expect from me  rather than openning a scam accusation. For the record, I didnt call him scammer just opened an accusation. If your talk about the scammers link thing , it was just a copy/paste.

# GreydonIselmoe pays 0.0054 BTC to Zorrocoin for the 6 posts made. He/she can ask this to be paid from escrow

# Zorrocoin apologizes for calling GreydonIselmoe a scammer, and edits/moves this thread appropriately

If he pays Ill change my tag but I dont apologize because he didnt paid. Since I have told him more than twice and warned him that if he didnt pay I would open a thread, I think there is no need to apologize. Because he already knew there would be such a thing and refused to pay already.

Edit: Fixed spelling and wrong quote

By all means, pay zorrocoin his deserved amount, my opinion clearly wasn't proper. Magic8Ball I'm okay with you paying him out via the held BTC

Zorrocoin has not agreed to the solution while GreydonIselmoe has. I will wait for another day to see whether Zorrocoin changes his mind.

If it stays the same, I will release the escrow back to GreydonIselmoe. He can then pay Zorrocoin if he so wishes. GreydonIselmoe can also request me to waive the last condition of my solution in which case I will process Zorrocoin's payment and send the rest back to GreydonIselmoe.

[opossum]

By all means, pay zorrocoin his deserved amount, my opinion clearly wasn't proper. Magic8Ball I'm okay with you paying him out via the held BTC

Glad you come to a settlement here, as you just said "pay zorrocoin his deserved amount". Your opinion does matter and was proper if.. You never kicked him half way threw the week because lack of funds to pay all members, this should have all been worked out and funds expenditures totalled before you accepted them into the campaign to avoid any of this that has happened. Live and learn so they say. I agree with the other guy being questionable at best, he was on a posting mission just 2minutes between posts and that is not bringing constructiveness to any thread how would he read and then take the time to write the post lol I agree that you are very lucky not to be banned "Miftach"

For the record, it wasn't a lack of funds, it was a lack of willingness to pay out such a high amount to users which we felt were not generating our "moneys-worth" of advertising. Hope everyone understands this, and we can move on with our crypto lives

For the record you may want to stand by your word, Here let me remind you ...

So, a valid reason for cutting members of the campaign is that, we don't have the bankroll to pay out 30+ users.

So my point remains and there is no need to lie! You never had enough to pay for 30+ users when like I said you should have done simple calculations, what would be the most you will need to pay out and how far would 1btc go toward this, would you have funds left over would it be to much etc etc. Anyway enough of the lessons how to do things properly but don't make out I can't read and make your mind up what the reason for not paying him is, because it is not very clear when you change what you mean a day later  

[GreydonIselmoe]

By all means, pay zorrocoin his deserved amount, my opinion clearly wasn't proper. Magic8Ball I'm okay with you paying him out via the held BTC

Glad you come to a settlement here, as you just said "pay zorrocoin his deserved amount". Your opinion does matter and was proper if.. You never kicked him half way threw the week because lack of funds to pay all members, this should have all been worked out and funds expenditures totalled before you accepted them into the campaign to avoid any of this that has happened. Live and learn so they say. I agree with the other guy being questionable at best, he was on a posting mission just 2minutes between posts and that is not bringing constructiveness to any thread how would he read and then take the time to write the post lol I agree that you are very lucky not to be banned "Miftach"

For the record, it wasn't a lack of funds, it was a lack of willingness to pay out such a high amount to users which we felt were not generating our "moneys-worth" of advertising. Hope everyone understands this, and we can move on with our crypto lives

For the record you may want to stand by your word, Here let me remind you ...

So, a valid reason for cutting members of the campaign is that, we don't have the bankroll to pay out 30+ users.

So my point remains and there is no need to lie! You never had enough to pay for 30+ users when like I said you should have done simple calculations, what would be the most you will need to pay out and how far would 1btc go toward this, would you have funds left over would it be to much etc etc. Anyway enough of the lessons how to do things properly but don't make out I can't read and make your mind up what the reason for not paying him is, because it is not very clear when you change what you mean a day later  

What? I'm not lying, I'm not even the one funding the campaign. Paying out 1.2 BTC per week for an average of 80 clicks was not worth the money. The funding third party agreed, and although HE HAD the bitcoin to continue the compaign at whatever rate, he and I agreed we shouldn't. We started with cutting the number of users, and then completely shut down the campaign when we didn't see much attraction generated from the campaign.



And Magic8Ball, I could care less whether he apologizes as he definitely will not *mean* it if he does, so just pay him the amount and we can move on.

[SebastianJu]

I think a campaign owner can kick someone out anytime though he should pay for those posts that are quality enough to be paid. The minimum post per week doesnt match since the user hadnt the chance to post all week.

It sounds a bit strange to decide that there is not enough money to pay all or that one dont want to pay. Since everyone has a contract then the contract has to be changed. It cant be decided onesided because the participant would have taken another signature campaign if he would have known. It would be a break of contract to decide to kick and not to pay. I mean you could have hire 100 posters and decide that 90 of them dont meet your quality after 6 days. Then not pay them. Thats not how it works.

So paying the quality posts and kicking would be the way to go.

[GreydonIselmoe]

I think a campaign owner can kick someone out anytime though he should pay for those posts that are quality enough to be paid. The minimum post per week doesnt match since the user hadnt the chance to post all week.

It sounds a bit strange to decide that there is not enough money to pay all or that one dont want to pay. Since everyone has a contract then the contract has to be changed. It cant be decided onesided because the participant would have taken another signature campaign if he would have known. It would be a break of contract to decide to kick and not to pay. I mean you could have hire 100 posters and decide that 90 of them dont meet your quality after 6 days. Then not pay them. Thats not how it works.

So paying the quality posts and kicking would be the way to go.

That's what's happening, yeah.

[MarkMJ]

So all is fine now or what?
Zorrocoin you got your payment?
Find another signature in the future
Take care next time.

[MRKLYE]

Zorrocoin had shitty post quality and frankly is raising a stink because he thinks he's entitled to payout for his crap posts.

He's not.

2 liners don't get paid, And if you honestly thought your posts were up to snuff you are delusional as you are whiney.

[real789]

Are this problem solved ?
i have problem too
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1037386.msg11317279#msg11317279

and GreydonIselmoe send me 0.02 BTC
https://blockchain.info/tx/bbf30b3b5c08cd4b633947fafbd876442c4667d5a6467ef2a4fa7aec96208e3e

[Zorrocoin]

Hi all,
Im out of city. Unfortunately, I have very limited internet access. I will be back to city at Sunday night. I think issue is gonna be resolved. Ill try to change the title of the thread.

Sorry in advance if any convenience.

Regards

[Magic8Ball]

And Magic8Ball, I could care less whether he apologizes as he definitely will not *mean* it if he does, so just pay him the amount and we can move on.

Zorocoin has been paid 0.0054 BTC to the address used in the signature campaign, and the remaining funds released to GreydonIselmoe.

https://blockchain.info/tx/18a35f823c7aa6ffe20185ce0626010a0c9f26346b342908a5bc32c46609185f