delete Investor-based games section

[Xialla]

Hey there,

I just want to ask you, if you think that we need this section on this forum and what is purpose? Concentrate scammers and frauds to one place?

In last couple of days, I start observing the section daily and spend couple of hours here. ALL (and yes, I'm not aware using word ALL here) threads here had just one purpose and it is steal people bitcoin, lure them to invest BTC and vanish.

Even you can say, that it is problem of those guys, which decided to invest..it is just throwing really bad impression to whole bitcoin, just because those scammed people are also real people from real world and they have to exchange their earned money to BTC. And then they lost them..and you know what. They will just say "bitcoin is scam" instead of "somebody scammed me". I really think that negative effect of this subsection is much higher then positive one (if there is any)

So you think, that is fine to had this section here?

Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Gambling > Investor-based games

TY for reaction.

X.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Scams aren't moderated.

Ponzis/HYIPs were cluttering Gambling and Games and Round boards. To avoid this, a new section is created. Everyone is aware that section is almost filled with scams.

[Outlander]

Deleting investor-based games will ruin other sections.

Ponzi was one of the oldest internet scam, born long long time ago before bicoin, there was no connection between bitcoin and ponzi scam.

[tmfp]

I've been following it too, it is a cesspit for sure but, as it concentrates the obvious scams in one place I think it helps introduce newbies to the concept of due diligence, maybe at the cost of a bit of dust.
Look at it as a training ground where kids can play with some sats and learn a bit about scams, then they can graduate to the main board and get ripped off properly by the professionals.

 

[NeuroticFish]

It was by special request from many users to put those boards together, exactly because they filled up (with crap) the whole Gaming board.
Also, this way you can easily set in your profile to not see that area anymore, which you just reminded me to do 

[hilariousandco]

In last couple of days, I start observing the section daily and spend couple of hours here.

Why are you spending a couple of hours there?

ALL (and yes, I'm not aware using word ALL here) threads here had just one purpose and it is steal people bitcoin, lure them to invest BTC and vanish.

You could argue all the sites in the Gambling section are there just to steal your money. People know what they're sending their money to and that's their choice whether they gamble on a dice site or a ponzi.

[Xialla]

because I just want to observe some new section of this board. It is not against moderators or staff, I just want to know, why we somehow enabled and now ignoring platform here, where are scammed people on daily basis..

[Xialla]

Also, this way you can easily set in your profile to not see that area anymore, which you just reminded me to do 

wow really this is possible? so what about hide this section for all new acc and had some warning message before enabling it..?

also..how to make in invisible?

[Muhammed Zakir]

Also, this way you can easily set in your profile to not see that area anymore, which you just reminded me to do 

wow really this is possible? so what about hide this section for all new acc and had some warning message before enabling it..?

No.

also..how to make in invisible?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=profile;sa=ignoreBoards

By doing so, you won't see posts made in this board by other users but you can visit it by clicking link(s).

[XinXan]

In last couple of days, I start observing the section daily and spend couple of hours here.

Why are you spending a couple of hours there?

ALL (and yes, I'm not aware using word ALL here) threads here had just one purpose and it is steal people bitcoin, lure them to invest BTC and vanish.

You could argue all the sites in the Gambling section are there just to steal your money. People know what they're sending their money to and that's their choice whether they gamble on a dice site or a ponzi.

Please stop comparing casinos with ponzies, even if a ponzi owner tells you exactly that he is going to scam you, that doesnt make it ok or equal to gambling, you have provably fair in casinos, you dont have anything when using ponzies

[hilariousandco]

Please stop comparing casinos with ponzies, even if a ponzi owner tells you exactly that he is going to scam you, that doesnt make it ok or equal to gambling, you have provably fair in casinos, you dont have anything when using ponzies

Why? Nobody is forcing you to gamble, nobody is forcing you to send money to a ponzi. You make the choice what to gamble your money. You might get scammed by a dice site too, and something being fair or provably fair doesn't stop something from being gambling or not but that's up to the person whether they agree to those odds which they do by participating in them.

[MarbleBoss]

In last couple of days, I start observing the section daily and spend couple of hours here. ALL (and yes, I'm not aware using word ALL here) threads here had just one purpose and it is steal people bitcoin, lure them to invest BTC and vanish.

I would vigorously oppose this statement. Yes, most of the games in this section are scam, but not ALL. Both Nine9.ninja & CrazyPonzi.com are absolutely different in nature than the others. Though Nine9.ninja is almost dead now as the owner did not add features to his game, CrazyPonzi.com is quite alive and evolving. Unlike Ponzi scams, in these games Bankroll is self adjusting and never grow to a level where owner may chose to run away with it. Hence they are running honestly for over months. The problem is that these games mostly get burried by the heaps of scam threads bumped by hundreds of shills.

[XinXan]

Please stop comparing casinos with ponzies, even if a ponzi owner tells you exactly that he is going to scam you, that doesnt make it ok or equal to gambling, you have provably fair in casinos, you dont have anything when using ponzies

Why? Nobody is forcing you to gamble, nobody is forcing you to send money to a ponzi. You make the choice what to gamble your money. You might get scammed by a dice site too, and something being fair or provably fair doesn't stop something from being gambling or not but that's up to the person whether they agree to those odds which they do by participating in them.

Because ponzi is the definition of scam, you can just search on wikipedia, it will tell you its a scam, if you search roulette or dice it doesnt say its a scam. Provably fair and odds, what are your odds on ponzies? Uncertain, no one knows, the owner could run any minute with your money.

Its like smoking, its bad and everyone knows it, yet people chose to do it, but that doesnt make it a good thing, it only makes them stupid

[erikalui]

I support this as the board can only lead to scams. I guess there was a warning attached to that section but now it has been removed. It read that trade/invest with caution or something similar. The section is clearly for money laundering and also the Gambling section should be removed.

[RussianRaibow]

Please stop comparing casinos with ponzies, even if a ponzi owner tells you exactly that he is going to scam you, that doesnt make it ok or equal to gambling, you have provably fair in casinos, you dont have anything when using ponzies

Why? Nobody is forcing you to gamble, nobody is forcing you to send money to a ponzi. You make the choice what to gamble your money. You might get scammed by a dice site too, and something being fair or provably fair doesn't stop something from being gambling or not but that's up to the person whether they agree to those odds which they do by participating in them.

Because ponzi is the definition of scam, you can just search on wikipedia, it will tell you its a scam, if you search roulette or dice it doesnt say its a scam. Provably fair and odds, what are your odds on ponzies? Uncertain, no one knows, the owner could run any minute with your money.

Its like smoking, its bad and everyone knows it, yet people chose to do it, but that doesnt make it a good thing, it only makes them stupid

In response to what you are saying, I'd just quote Dooglus...

I personally don't consider any kind of Ponzi to be scammy unless they are selling it as guaranteed profit. Most of them promise to return X% profit within Y time because the are great at trading / mining / whatever. If they make it clear that you only get paid if enough people join after you, then that turns it into a game where everyone knows the risks, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

My personal policy is that a Ponzi is a scam if it is deceptive, and not if it isn't.

[hilariousandco]

Because ponzi is the definition of scam, you can just search on wikipedia, it will tell you its a scam, if you search roulette or dice it doesnt say its a scam.

Scams are usually where a person gets duped into something without their knowledge and Ponzis are scams because in the real world their nature is hidden, but the ones in the gambling section here aren't so people know what they're doing when they send them money.

Provably fair and odds, what are your odds on ponzies? Uncertain, no one knows, the owner could run any minute with your money.

Its like smoking, its bad and everyone knows it, yet people chose to do it, but that doesnt make it a good thing, it only makes them stupid

Just because the odds are uncertain doesn't mean anything especially when people are willingly taking the uncertain odds, and like whether someone chooses to smoke or not that is their choice and you have absolutely no say on that.

[Blazed]

Because ponzi is the definition of scam, you can just search on wikipedia, it will tell you its a scam, if you search roulette or dice it doesnt say its a scam.

Scams are usually where a person gets duped into something without their knowledge and Ponzis are scams because in the real world their nature is hidden, but the ones in the gambling section here aren't so people know what they're doing when they send them money.

Provably fair and odds, what are your odds on ponzies? Uncertain, no one knows, the owner could run any minute with your money.

Its like smoking, its bad and everyone knows it, yet people chose to do it, but that doesnt make it a good thing, it only makes them stupid

Just because the odds are uncertain doesn't mean anything especially when people are willingly taking the uncertain odds, and like whether someone chooses to smoke or not that is their choice and you have absolutely no say on that.

I agree if something is clearly labeled as a HIYP/Ponzi then it is not a scam at all. If the creator tries to hide that fact then yes it is bad/scam.

[XinXan]

Because ponzi is the definition of scam, you can just search on wikipedia, it will tell you its a scam, if you search roulette or dice it doesnt say its a scam.

Scams are usually where a person gets duped into something without their knowledge and Ponzis are scams because in the real world their nature is hidden, but the ones in the gambling section here aren't so people know what they're doing when they send them money.

Provably fair and odds, what are your odds on ponzies? Uncertain, no one knows, the owner could run any minute with your money.

Its like smoking, its bad and everyone knows it, yet people chose to do it, but that doesnt make it a good thing, it only makes them stupid

Just because the odds are uncertain doesn't mean anything especially when people are willingly taking the uncertain odds, and like whether someone chooses to smoke or not that is their choice and you have absolutely no say on that.

I agree if something is clearly labeled as a HIYP/Ponzi then it is not a scam at all. If the creator tries to hide that fact then yes it is bad/scam.

It doesnt matter if he hides it or not, scam: n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.  Its the definition of a scam, doesnt matter what, are you going to write a new dictionary?

[doves]

Ponzi was one of the oldest internet scam, born long long time ago before bicoin, there was no connection between bitcoin and ponzi scam.

Other than Bitcointalk.org having a special section for promoting those ponzis, that is
1. Buy a trusted senior account.
2. Start a ponzi on Bitcointalk.
3. ? ? ?
4. Wonder why Bitcoin gets horrible press.

[hilariousandco]

It doesnt matter if he hides it or not, scam: n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.  Its the definition of a scam, doesnt matter what, are you going to write a new dictionary?

You don't need to write a new dictionary. They also fall under the definition of gambling whether you like it or not:

    1.
    play games of chance for money; bet.
 
    2.
    take risky action in the hope of a desired result.