Recent dadice.com development

[shorena]

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Don't mind ndnhc, both shorena and quickseller are now promoting a white label "Casino" with no proof to be provably fair (no RNG Certificate) and with no cold wallet address that is covering the jackpot of 3,800+ btc. That is how credible they really are   Funny isn't it

If you guys[1] dont stop bringing up other casinos than dadice this topic will get locked. If you cant stay on topic, dont bother posting here. If you have something to say about my rating feel free to contact me. I dont think have ever labeled you as scammers my rating is a warning and phrased as such.

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What a pity, they promoted your site very actively but now are both claiming dadice is scam, I can't understand why, I think you paid them the best rate, but they don't know to be grateful. And you haven't scammed anyone so far, how can they claim you are scam.

I do not claim this, I just voice my opinion that I would not play or invest there and I see all signs of a scam. This is a difference. I no longer advertise for dadice because of this. I would think its very strange to advertise for something you would not use, because you are afraid of your coins.

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Does it mean that the sites who provide the cold address has no chance to be a scam site in the future?
I'd say that providing cold address to prove solvency is not a guarantee, because there is always a chance for them to choose not to pay out.
Not mention to defend Dadice, but I'm saying in general.

No, there is no way proof that you will not scam in the future regardless of what information you provide. It is however a common thing to provide a cold storrage address and requesting such. Dadice reaction on the request is what makes many of use feel they are a scam about to happen and no longer want to be associated with them. As I said in the past, I hope I am wrong, but I also cant just stand aside and not do what I can to warn about this.

[1] and other entities. Even its phrased as such this not only towards dadice.

[ndnh]

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Don't mind ndnhc, both shorena and quickseller are now promoting a white label "Casino" with no proof to be provably fair (no RNG Certificate) and with no cold wallet address that is covering the jackpot of 3,800+ btc. That is how credible they really are   Funny isn't it

If you guys[1] dont stop bringing up other casinos than dadice this topic will get locked. If you cant stay on topic, dont bother posting here. If you have something to say about my rating feel free to contact me. I dont think have ever labeled you as scammers my rating is a warning and phrased as such.

Well, QS is labeling Da Dice as scammers with some weirdo proofs.
http://i.gyazo.com/8447d64976f4b8b2c05f748d7b038cca.png

Either way, I am and was fine with your negative feedbacks, since I can understand your's, El Nico's, dooglus' concern well. But QS is tagging it as a scam which is what I am questioning.

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What a pity, they promoted your site very actively but now are both claiming dadice is scam, I can't understand why, I think you paid them the best rate, but they don't know to be grateful. And you haven't scammed anyone so far, how can they claim you are scam.

I do not claim this, I just voice my opinion that I would not play or invest there and I see all signs of a scam. This is a difference. I no longer advertise for dadice because of this. I would think its very strange to advertise for something you would not use, because you are afraid of your coins.

I agree with you on that.

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Does it mean that the sites who provide the cold address has no chance to be a scam site in the future?
I'd say that providing cold address to prove solvency is not a guarantee, because there is always a chance for them to choose not to pay out.
Not mention to defend Dadice, but I'm saying in general.

No, there is no way proof that you will not scam in the future regardless of what information you provide. It is however a common thing to provide a cold storrage address and requesting such. Dadice reaction on the request is what makes many of use feel they are a scam about to happen and no longer want to be associated with them. As I said in the past, I hope I am wrong, but I also cant just stand aside and not do what I can to warn about this.

[1] and other entities. Even its phrased as such this not only towards dadice.

Signing a cold wallet address doesn't mean dice owners cannot run with their funds. Currently, many players reach the conclusion that a signed message means their funds are safe, which unfortunately is not true.

Yes, but not providing a cold wallet address does not make it a scam. I am honestly, not aware of PD having made public their cold wallet address. May be I am wrong, but if not, well, why not?


Ignore the grammar plz

[tspacepilot]

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Don't mind ndnhc, both shorena and quickseller are now promoting a white label "Casino" with no proof to be provably fair (no RNG Certificate) and with no cold wallet address that is covering the jackpot of 3,800+ btc. That is how credible they really are   Funny isn't it

If you guys[1] dont stop bringing up other casinos than dadice this topic will get locked. If you cant stay on topic, dont bother posting here. If you have something to say about my rating feel free to contact me. I dont think have ever labeled you as scammers my rating is a warning and phrased as such.

Well, QS is labeling Da Dice as scammers with some weirdo proofs.
http://i.gyazo.com/8447d64976f4b8b2c05f748d7b038cca.png

What's more, he's attempting to put words into Shorena's mouth just above:

and shorena stopped providing his services when it turned out that DaDice was a scam site.

Either way, I am and was fine with your negative feedbacks, since I can understand your's, El Nico's, dooglus' concern well. But QS is tagging it as a scam which is what I am questioning.

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What a pity, they promoted your site very actively but now are both claiming dadice is scam, I can't understand why, I think you paid them the best rate, but they don't know to be grateful. And you haven't scammed anyone so far, how can they claim you are scam.

I do not claim this, I just voice my opinion that I would not play or invest there and I see all signs of a scam. This is a difference. I no longer advertise for dadice because of this. I would think its very strange to advertise for something you would not use, because you are afraid of your coins.

I agree with you on that.

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Does it mean that the sites who provide the cold address has no chance to be a scam site in the future?
I'd say that providing cold address to prove solvency is not a guarantee, because there is always a chance for them to choose not to pay out.
Not mention to defend Dadice, but I'm saying in general.

No, there is no way proof that you will not scam in the future regardless of what information you provide. It is however a common thing to provide a cold storrage address and requesting such. Dadice reaction on the request is what makes many of use feel they are a scam about to happen and no longer want to be associated with them. As I said in the past, I hope I am wrong, but I also cant just stand aside and not do what I can to warn about this.

[1] and other entities. Even its phrased as such this not only towards dadice.

Signing a cold wallet address doesn't mean dice owners cannot run with their funds. Currently, many players reach the conclusion that a signed message means their funds are safe, which unfortunately is not true.

Yes, but not providing a cold wallet address does not make it a scam. I am honestly, not aware of PD having made public their cold wallet address. May be I am wrong, but if not, well, why not?


Ignore the grammar plz

I basically completely agree with ndnhc here.  It's one thing to say that you wouldn't play there and to warn others accordingly, it's another thing to troll dadice's threads, calling them scammers, calling people associated with them scammers, and all with zero scam or evidence of scam.  All based on some kind of bad feeling.  Dadice should notice the very stark difference in approach between Shorena and Quickseller and shouldn't be lumping them into the same bucket, IMO.

The only thing I'd add is that while I understand that Shorena doesn't want to talk about other casinos here, I think it is relevant to ask him why he feels okay with promoting (and presumably playing) at the casino he's currently advertising if they haven't shown their cold-storage wallet, etc.

Finally, as I asked upthread, I wonder what the statue of limitations is on this bad-feeling that he has.  As has been pointed out, many many casinos are offering services without showing cold-storage addresses.  Apparantely not all of them generate the same bad feeling for Shorena.  I wonder how many months/years would have to go by before Shorena would be willing to say "hell, okay, maybe they never showed their cold storage address but they have now  been offering services for XX years/months and it's clear that they're not in it to scam, they're merely offering a gambling service and profiting on the house edge".

[FanEagle]

They are making the situation very complicated, they should give a cold wallet signed address and then we see how it goes on.
I already suspected something since their signature campaign thing,but this is very very suspicious.

[cazkooo]

The only thing I'd add is that while I understand that Shorena doesn't want to talk about other casinos here, I think it is relevant to ask him why he feels okay with promoting (and presumably playing) at the casino he's currently advertising if they haven't shown their cold-storage wallet, etc.

I think that is because it is off topic, this is about dadice not the other, perhaps you can open up another thread

I wonder how many months/years would have to go by before Shorena would be willing to say "hell, okay, maybe they never showed their cold storage address but they have now  been offering services for XX years/months and it's clear that they're not in it to scam, they're merely offering a gambling service and profiting on the house edge".

Shorena is a very fair person because after months or years operating without issue , he will change his rating to neutral. Look at what he did , he change marcotheminer rating to neutral after months. I think shorena make a very fair claim here and I dont see that is issue warning people about this.

[XinXan]

The only thing I'd add is that while I understand that Shorena doesn't want to talk about other casinos here, I think it is relevant to ask him why he feels okay with promoting (and presumably playing) at the casino he's currently advertising if they haven't shown their cold-storage wallet, etc.

I think that is because it is off topic, this is about dadice not the other, perhaps you can open up another thread

I wonder how many months/years would have to go by before Shorena would be willing to say "hell, okay, maybe they never showed their cold storage address but they have now  been offering services for XX years/months and it's clear that they're not in it to scam, they're merely offering a gambling service and profiting on the house edge".

Shorena is a very fair person because after months or years operating without issue , he will change his rating to neutral. Look at what he did , he change marcotheminer rating to neutral after months. I think shorena make a very fair claim here and I dont see that is issue warning people about this.

Funny that people is talking only about quickseller and shorena when dadice has plenty of negative ratings from other trusted members as well so it wouldn't really matter what shorena does at this point, obviously a good amount of trusted people think they are a scam

[shorena]

The only thing I'd add is that while I understand that Shorena doesn't want to talk about other casinos here, I think it is relevant to ask him why he feels okay with promoting (and presumably playing) at the casino he's currently advertising if they haven't shown their cold-storage wallet, etc.

I think that is because it is off topic, this is about dadice not the other, perhaps you can open up another thread

Correct, if you have anything that makes you think any other casino should be warned about open a thread about said casino and I will most likely see it. If not feel free to send me a PM.

To the other point, Ill just quote my last answer.

From what I can tell, these complaints add up to this:

Someone wants proof about bankroll, dadice decides not to provide proof.

Is there really anything more to it than that?

I can see why they wouldn't feel good about revealing their resources to Stunna (their biggest competitor, right?).

Im willing to remove the ratings if a trusted, neutral party (e.g. devthedev, tomatocage, DannyHamilton) has verified the bankroll.

Its not only the fact that they do not make the existence of funds public, but also the attitude towards IMHO valid criticism. They come up with new reasons for every one that is refuted. I have seen this highly defensive behaviour in the past and I cant say that any good came out of it.
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I wonder how many months/years would have to go by before Shorena would be willing to say "hell, okay, maybe they never showed their cold storage address but they have now  been offering services for XX years/months and it's clear that they're not in it to scam, they're merely offering a gambling service and profiting on the house edge".

Shorena is a very fair person because after months or years operating without issue , he will change his rating to neutral. Look at what he did , he change marcotheminer rating to neutral after months. I think shorena make a very fair claim here and I dont see that is issue warning people about this.

I am indeed more forgiving than e.g. Quickseller and have change ratings to neutral even though I had several people asking me not to/to change it back to negative. I dont have a strict policy regarding this, but the latest reply from DaDice has if anything strengthened my believe that they are not professionals and should not be trusted with any coins.

[ndnh]

My only point is the whole thing is set up on the speculation that not providing a cold storage address makes it a scam. It doesn't. It is fine, may be suspicious. But does PD has that? Why not?

As I said signing a cold wallet address doesn't mean dice owners cannot run with their funds. Many still think there is some kind of magic with that, and the funds will be safe. Why?

[shitaifan2013]

My only point is the whole thing is set up on the speculation that not providing a cold storage address makes it a scam. It doesn't. It is fine, may be suspicious. But does PD has that? Why not?

As I said signing a cold wallet address doesn't mean dice owners cannot run with their funds. Many still think there is some kind of magic with that, and the funds will be safe. Why?

no one thinks that, that's a straw man agrument.  but nice try...


the cold wallet is only providing the information that the casino owns the amount claimed and is solvent. dadice is already failing at that, despite taking investments.

everybody that doesnt get paid to have a non-conclusive opinion will agree that this is at least shady  as fuck, especially in accordance to how the whole dadice story has unfolded so far.

we've seen it all before more than once...

[ndnh]

no one thinks that, that's a straw man agrument.   but nice try...


the cold wallet is only providing the information that the casino owns the amount claimed and is solvent. dadice is already failing at that, despite taking investments.

everybody that doesnt get paid to have a non-conclusive opinion will agree that this is at least shady  as fuck, especially in accordance to how the whole dadice story has unfolded so far.

we've seen it all before more than once...

Does PrimeDice (and many other sites) have public cold wallet address? Please let me know if it does. If it doesn't, why not?

[shitaifan2013]

no one thinks that, that's a straw man agrument.   but nice try...


the cold wallet is only providing the information that the casino owns the amount claimed and is solvent. dadice is already failing at that, despite taking investments.

everybody that doesnt get paid to have a non-conclusive opinion will agree that this is at least shady  as fuck, especially in accordance to how the whole dadice story has unfolded so far.

we've seen it all before more than once...

Does PrimeDice (and many other sites) have public cold wallet address? Please let me know if it does. If it doesn't, why not?

pd aint taking investments.  also there are (older) known pd cold wallets one can find with a little google-fu. stunna also isnt anonymous. and I'm confident that stunna would provide the necessary info if there ever should be the case that it's needed.

on the other hand, dadice will never be able to provide that info, even if they wanted.

so yeah, guess you can put the straw men back into the closet now.

[shorena]

no one thinks that, that's a straw man agrument.   but nice try...


the cold wallet is only providing the information that the casino owns the amount claimed and is solvent. dadice is already failing at that, despite taking investments.

everybody that doesnt get paid to have a non-conclusive opinion will agree that this is at least shady  as fuck, especially in accordance to how the whole dadice story has unfolded so far.

we've seen it all before more than once...

Does PrimeDice (and many other sites) have public cold wallet address? Please let me know if it does. If it doesn't, why not?

pd aint taking investments.  also there are (older) known pd cold wallets one can find with a little google-fu. stunna also isnt anonymous. and I'm confident that stunna would provide the necessary info if there ever should be the case that it's needed.

on the other hand, dadice will never be able to provide that info, even if they wanted.

so yeah, guess you can put the straw men back into the closet now.

There is no need to rehash an argument that has already been made way before this thread even was needed. PrimeDice is not the issue here.

If anyone has anything new to contribute to the thread, PM me.

[shorena]

Due to recent news I decided to change my feedback to neutral.

We are currently going through a transitional period. During this time the agreed upon changes with the former administration will take place and finally Da Dice 2.0 with new features and a complete and entirely rewritten/new unique script exclusively for Da Dice 2.0 will be made available. Programmers are already working on this task.
We expect this to be done by mid October.

Now, there are however a few changes that will take place immediately.

1. We have disabled the investment option and the remaining investors are asked to please divest their investment. As a side note, we do not plan to open the investment option in the future again.

2. Faucet: For the time being and until the launch of DaDice 2.0 our faucet will only grow once 1 btc has been wagered. Increment values are the same as the existing levelling system. Once 1 btc has been wagered your faucet amount will automatically jump to the amount according to your level reached. With the launch of DaDice 2.0 a redesigned faucet system will be introduced.

The thread will stay unlocked as long as the discussions here stay on topic.