ndnhc[resolved]

[XinXan]

Wow thats true, question2 edited the address and changed the 1 for an I. Im sorry to say it but thats definitive proof that ndnhc is a scammer. First of all if ndnhc wasnt question2 why would question2 change that address? His negative trust is because of his extortion attempt and it doesnt sat anything about this. Ndnhc hasnt been online since this accusation... Then again if question2 is not ndnhc why would he try to edit the address, why the fuck would he care about it?? It makes no sense to me. Even if he saw the thread, lets say he isnt not ndnhc and sees the thread, he obviously did, then logically if he wanted to defend ndnhc for some odd reason he could just post here and say, hey guys im not ndnhc or whatever but he decided instead to change his address.

To make framing stronger?

I think question2 is ndnhc because he is not responding. He at least can deny this. I am still not going for a conclusion now. Waiting for ndnhc's version but I don't know how long it takes.

My theory is that he made that account to extorsionate, he got caught doing so and left the account. Later maybe he just logged in with question2 without noticing and posted on dadice threads, he only posted twice so is possible, he also made clear that he supports dadice.

About the framing theory, i dont think so. Quickseller said it himself, he posted that address in a post that pretty much no one was going to notice neither him or the address, if he really wanted to frame ndnhc he would have used the address to extorsionate. I dont think someone would be this sophisticated to frame ndnhc by making a new account, extorsionate someone and later after weeks come to a thread to post one of ndnhc addresses.

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[tspacepilot]

Additionally, somewhat unrelated to the accusation in the OP, however is relevant to the above point, ndnhc continued to blindly back DaDice after it became probable that they are scamming. DaDice was also blindly backed by many of the same people who are defending him in this thread.

You're not telling the whole story here.  Using the word "blindly" is merely an accusation.  FWIW, ndnhc likely has a lot more information than the average person about the bankroll of dadice.  So it's a little ridiculous to suggest that he's acting "blindly".  Also, if you look carefully at this thread, you'll see that very few people are "defending" him.  Most people who aren't throwing him to the wolves are simply saying that they're waiting to hear the rest of the story.  Calling those people's actions "blind" is mere weasel words---intending to weaken their opinions by sneaking in adverbs which are unsupported.

If we want to examine the rest of the story about ndnhc's "blind" backing then I think we'd look at his post history and see where he simply offers to Shorena that he hopes that dadice will show him the bankroll and that he has confidence it's there.  To tell even more of the story, we should mention that only about 12 hours before this thing with NLNico and the bankroll began, you had showed up in the dadice thread trolling, telling everyone that these guys were scammers because they didn't take your word for it when you called someone else a scammer.  As an account trader/farmer, we have no idea how many alts you're working with and whether this is some kind of coorindated attack on dadice by you in an effor to exact a vendetta on them for not "respecting" you when you tried to tell them what to do.

There's a lot of history between dadice and quickseller/acctseller (and possibly other alts), unless he's gone and deleted these old posts, people can read up for themselves on it.  I merely caution everyone to take QS accusations against someone who has worked with dadice with a large grain of salt.  Carra23 has said in the dadice campaign thread that ndnhc is supposed to be back next tuesday.  I, for one, am not going to contributed to this FUD, but will wait to see what happens.

[hunkey600]

i donno if ndnhc can do anything like this, he always helped me even he has given some loan also which i have not returned yet. He seems to be good user. I'll be looking on this thread now.

[hilariousandco]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903908.0

Just stumbled upon that involving ndnhc whilst I was searching an address.

[DiamondCardz]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903908.0

Just stumbled upon that involving ndnhc whilst I was searching an address.

Eh, that thread doesn't seem like it's very good proof for anything. I'd rather just see ndnhc respond to the OP and then review my feedback depending on what his response is.

[hilariousandco]

I'm not saying it's proof but it might be relevant.

[DiamondCardz]

I'm not saying it's proof but it might be relevant.

It is relevant I suppose. My understanding from that thread is that Tomatocage thought it was good proof, spoiled someone's Christmas and then the entire accusation got refuted and basically all that came out of it in the end was a few people having their Christmas ruined. Which is something in ndnhc's favor as the evidence is blockchain-based here as well.

[Quickseller]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903908.0

Just stumbled upon that involving ndnhc whilst I was searching an address.

I think his name was eventually cleared in that case. However I believe that I received a PM from ndnhc asking about accepting the witishi account as collateral for a loan and if I would be willing to buy it if the buyer ended up defaulting.

It also appears that the original allegation had changed since the OP was originally posted.  

I don't think it is proof however I do think it makes ndnhc look bad.

[DiamondCardz]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903908.0

Just stumbled upon that involving ndnhc whilst I was searching an address.

I think his name was eventually cleared in that case. However I believe that I received a PM from ndnhc asking about accepting the witishi account as collateral for a loan and if I would be willing to buy it if the buyer ended up defaulting.

It also appears that the original allegation had changed since the OP was originally posted.  

I don't think it is proof however I do think it makes ndnhc look bad.

Perhaps. Let's use some level of caution though, I'd rather not shaft anyone by making too many assumptions so I'm quite ready to review my feedback left on ndnhc when he returns and replies. I'd recommend the others on DefaultTrust who left him negative trust take the same stance, obviously if he is guilty of extortionism then don't review the feedback.

[hilariousandco]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903908.0

Just stumbled upon that involving ndnhc whilst I was searching an address.

I think his name was eventually cleared in that case. However I believe that I received a PM from ndnhc asking about accepting the witishi account as collateral for a loan and if I would be willing to buy it if the buyer ended up defaulting.

He admits to previously being in control of it here:

ndnhc: Were you once in control of Watoshi's account?

Yeah, I had it way back.
The wallet problem is not exactly because of that. It is because of CLAM.

I gave it to magicbeans, since I knew him, and he isn't a scammer. I don't have any use with it, and I don't want to sell to some scammer.

[Quickseller]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903908.0

Just stumbled upon that involving ndnhc whilst I was searching an address.

I think his name was eventually cleared in that case. However I believe that I received a PM from ndnhc asking about accepting the witishi account as collateral for a loan and if I would be willing to buy it if the buyer ended up defaulting.

It also appears that the original allegation had changed since the OP was originally posted.  

I don't think it is proof however I do think it makes ndnhc look bad.

Perhaps. Let's use some level of caution though, I'd rather not shaft anyone by making too many assumptions so I'm quite ready to review my feedback left on ndnhc when he returns and replies. I'd recommend the others on DefaultTrust who left him negative trust take the same stance, obviously if he is guilty of extortionism then don't review the feedback.

Well with the revised allegation no actual money was stolen. I believe the original allegation was supported by the fact that addresses were linked together that all belonged to a gambling site and as a result those people didn't actually sign the transaction in question.

The addresses in question in this case are not belonging to any kind of exchange or site.

I obviously am willing to revise/remove my feedback if the conditions warrant.

[DiamondCardz]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903908.0

Just stumbled upon that involving ndnhc whilst I was searching an address.

I think his name was eventually cleared in that case. However I believe that I received a PM from ndnhc asking about accepting the witishi account as collateral for a loan and if I would be willing to buy it if the buyer ended up defaulting.

It also appears that the original allegation had changed since the OP was originally posted.  

I don't think it is proof however I do think it makes ndnhc look bad.

Perhaps. Let's use some level of caution though, I'd rather not shaft anyone by making too many assumptions so I'm quite ready to review my feedback left on ndnhc when he returns and replies. I'd recommend the others on DefaultTrust who left him negative trust take the same stance, obviously if he is guilty of extortionism then don't review the feedback.

Well with the revised allegation no actual money was stolen. I believe the original allegation was supported by the fact that addresses were linked together that all belonged to a gambling site and as a result those people didn't actually sign the transaction in question.

The addresses in question in this case are not belonging to any kind of exchange or site.

Indeed. I'm just wary of that original thread as looking back on it, what happened in that thread wasn't nice at all and really with a bit more caution and a little bit more listening probably didn't need to happen at all.

[SebastianJu]

I see two possibilities where ndnhc is not the culprit.

Someone hates him, he knows that Quickseller is going after each scammer and is using this website that connects addresses to a wallet. (Forgot the name) You simply need to search an address you know belongs to ndnhc and post an address you know is connected to that one. You might even give Quickseller a tip or wait until he finds it himself.

Second explaination would be that neither addresses belong to him and both are different persons that simply use the same website, service or whatever to receive funds. Of course it normally is easy to find all the addresses that belongs to a website though its still possible that a website is handling addresses the way that this outcome can happen.

Any errors in my thoughts?

[DiamondCardz]

I see two possibilities where ndnhc is not the culprit.

Someone hates him, he knows that Quickseller is going after each scammer and is using this website that connects addresses to a wallet. (Forgot the name) You simply need to search an address you know belongs to ndnhc and post an address you know is connected to that one. You might even give Quickseller a tip or wait until he finds it himself.

Second explaination would be that neither addresses belong to him and both are different persons that simply use the same website, service or whatever to receive funds. Of course it normally is easy to find all the addresses that belongs to a website though its still possible that a website is handling addresses the way that this outcome can happen.

Any errors in my thoughts?

I think those are both correct, yeah. The first possibility would imply someone has framed him, which is a discussion I've already had with someone else.

The second explanation makes sense and is quite possible if both question2 and ndnhc use a shared wallet. That seems like it could be investigated quite easily by tracing.

[Quickseller]

I see two possibilities where ndnhc is not the culprit.

Someone hates him, he knows that Quickseller is going after each scammer and is using this website that connects addresses to a wallet. (Forgot the name) You simply need to search an address you know belongs to ndnhc and post an address you know is connected to that one. You might even give Quickseller a tip or wait until he finds it himself.

Second explaination would be that neither addresses belong to him and both are different persons that simply use the same website, service or whatever to receive funds. Of course it normally is easy to find all the addresses that belongs to a website though its still possible that a website is handling addresses the way that this outcome can happen.

Any errors in my thoughts?

Your second suggestion is probably not accurate. There are only two addresses linked together and there has been a balance in the second address for around a year now. Both of these would imply that the addresses do not belong to any kind of site.

The name of the site is walletexplorer.com and it links addresses together on an automated fashion. It is still possible to do this manually with any other block explorer although this is time consuming when a lot of addresses are linked together. While your first theory is plausible I would somewhat doubt it because of the age of the address and the lack of search functionality on the forum currently. Although if someone dislikes ndnhc enough they might have been willing to put in the effort.

I think a more plausible explanation would be that the account was sold and the address that ndnhc posted was posted by the previous owner.

Unfortunately, as mentioned above ndnhc would have had the means to uncover joca replying to himself and when this was discovered he should have kicked him from the campaign, which he did not. I believe that joca97 was one of the only, if not the only person in the DaDice campaign to get banned (verses a lot who were in but-x).

Also, another address of ndnhc did have a 0/unconfirmed transaction associated with it late last night which would imply that ndnhc had Internet access and was conducting some kind of Bitcoin related business.

[Twipple]

I see two possibilities where ndnhc is not the culprit.

Someone hates him, he knows that Quickseller is going after each scammer and is using this website that connects addresses to a wallet. (Forgot the name) You simply need to search an address you know belongs to ndnhc and post an address you know is connected to that one. You might even give Quickseller a tip or wait until he finds it himself.

Quickseller said that no one tipped him about it, and he found it himself. One thing which is also not normal in this case is , Quickseller starting a thread, which he only did while he was not in the trust list. Usually from what I have seen he just gives the negative trust with all the proof.
But again, we come back to what I posted 2 pages back.

[DiamondCardz]

Also, another address of ndnhc did have a 0/unconfirmed transaction associated with it late last night which would imply that ndnhc had Internet access and was conducting some kind of Bitcoin related business.

Can you throw me the transaction hash for that? I'd like to be able to see that - I'm guessing you mean that there was outgoing transaction on ndnhc's part and not that someone just happened to have paid one of his addresses, right?

[SOAD]

Looks like this is a situation that is going to remain inconclusive or likely can't be proved either way. It's not like he's going to come back and admit that he tried to scam and the other explanations for innocence are plausible so I'm not sure if the accusations will stick or can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt./

[Quickseller]

Also, another address of ndnhc did have a 0/unconfirmed transaction associated with it late last night which would imply that ndnhc had Internet access and was conducting some kind of Bitcoin related business.

Can you throw me the transaction hash for that? I'd like to be able to see that - I'm guessing you mean that there was outgoing transaction on ndnhc's part and not that someone just happened to have paid one of his addresses, right?

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It looks like my conclusion is likely incorrect about him being online. It appears that it was broadcast around 1:30PM UTC on the 27th but took almost two days to confirm for some reason.

[shulio]

Looks like this is a situation that is going to remain inconclusive or likely can't be proved either way. It's not like he's going to come back and admit that he tried to scam and the other explanations for innocence are plausible so I'm not sure if the accusations will stick or can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt./

You should check on carra's post. Ndnhc has informed carra that he will be back soon, perhaps he is doing something at the moment or is busy to handle the forum. He was away for atleast 3 weeks before due to some matter in the real world. It is not yet proven that he tried to extort, we will need to listen from his part