ndnhc[resolved]

[Quickseller]

Looks like this is a situation that is going to remain inconclusive or likely can't be proved either way. It's not like he's going to come back and admit that he tried to scam and the other explanations for innocence are plausible so I'm not sure if the accusations will stick or can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt./

If he is guilty, hopefully he will be honest about it and come clean and not pull a candystripes and go around creating a bunch of threads accusing me of "stealing his reputation". 

I would like to hope that he would have the morals to simply come clean when he is caught and not try to weasel his way out of responsibility. It is obviously much more complicated if he was in fact being framed.

[SOAD]

Looks like this is a situation that is going to remain inconclusive or likely can't be proved either way. It's not like he's going to come back and admit that he tried to scam and the other explanations for innocence are plausible so I'm not sure if the accusations will stick or can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt./

You should check on carra's post. Ndnhc has informed carra that he will be back soon, perhaps he is doing something at the moment or is busy to handle the forum. He was away for atleast 3 weeks before due to some matter in the real world. It is not yet proven that he tried to extort, we will need to listen from his part

Not sure what any of that has to do with what I said but I'm already aware of that:

I think even before this accusation he was missing. The campaign he is running has even been temporarily taken over by someone else but will be back according to them. See the dadice thread and post by cara.

Looks like this is a situation that is going to remain inconclusive or likely can't be proved either way. It's not like he's going to come back and admit that he tried to scam and the other explanations for innocence are plausible so I'm not sure if the accusations will stick or can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt./

If he is guilty, hopefully he will be honest about it and come clean and not pull a candystripes and go around creating a bunch of threads accusing me of "stealing his reputation". 

I would like to hope that he would have the morals to simply come clean when he is caught and not try to weasel his way out of responsibility. It is obviously much more complicated if he was in fact being framed.

Yeah right. That's not going to happen. Why admit and confirm something that is up in the air currently and ruin his rep in the process when he can just take advantage of the doubt and circumstantial evidence and deny it. He's not going to let his rep and money he earns from running the signature campaign be ruined if he can help it (assuming he was guilty which I'm not so sure he is).

[Carra23]

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

[Twipple]

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

To address 2. and 3. There are more than enough people on the forum with negative trust. If you look at question2 's posting history, it seems he has posted only 4-5 times . If I wanted Quickseller or anyone to find out, I would literally spam the forum and threads which Quickseller follows with that address, and not a games and round thread with an address not remotely linked. For 3. If someone had tipped Quickseller about that, then maybe could be another person. But in this case it wasn't true.

Maybe you should add a 5th, and connect the dots to what i posted before. It is very well a possibility:

Ok, I just have a theory which may or may not be true . But it is a possibility . I have never done business with ndnhc . But I happened to have used an address recently on purpose which was related to him. Kind of something I did on random but not to toss around any accusations, It was for something I do not wish to disclose, neither will I . The address I posted in a way was linked to ndnhc . edit: And No it wasn't the address what question2 posted.



Recently after my account was wrongly accused of something I am not even remotely related with. Quickseller even gave me a negative trust because of it . I even started a few threads on Meta against Quickseller denying all the things, and providing proof that I bought the account , and It seemed to have pissed him off.  Now no one knew that I posted that address and it was related to ndhnc, but only Quickseller did, probably because he was stalking me since a while to find something to relate me to a scam or something.

Anyways, he never even talked about bought it until today.
Now suddenly I saw this thread today , and I didn't want to get related to ndnhc, from the address I posted a couple weeks back , so naturally I went ahead and deleted it.

Now suddenly all of a sudden Quickseller posted this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072974.msg11473720#msg11473720

He claimed and knew about the address I had posted.

Here is what I believe:
Quickseller is pissed off with me , since I might be one reason he went off the trust list, even though he is back now. I believe he created an alt question2 to get it a negative trust. He tried to get ransom from another user Joca who he found out had an alt account somehow. (Only Quickseller is good enough to figure out alts so well) .
Then he posted some guy's address, which in a way linked to someone, I had posted an address to about couple days back. I believe the next step after ndnhc denying everything , would be Quickseller claiming of me to have posted an address related to ndnhc , and he would claim, that I am question2, and therefore getting negative trust on me permanently, and him taking revenge with me.

Here is why I believe so:
I was just looking at all the threads and question2's activity on the forum. It seems question2 posted a thread against Joca on May 10th. Now, I don't really expect someone to be following some scammer for a long time, since there are so many people on the forum with negative trust. question2 posted the address just yesterday : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996260.msg11467648#msg11467648

at 9:44 PM.

And just after , Quickseller started this thread, like he has been following the scammer from a long time, which I see no reason why he would do so, and that too from a Games and Rounds thread.
After this Quickseller made that post today
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072974.msg11473720#msg11473720

Looking at the whole thing, I now feel Quickseller is only doing so , to get me a permanent negative trust in a way revenge by him .

Again, I can't be sure, but I see no other reason why Quickseller follows me like crazy, and didn't even post about that address before, even after I was accused of being an alt of a scammer by him. He also happened to be following that other guy question2 , right when he posted the address, and started the scam accusation. Now before this gets to me, I wanted to clarify everything about what I feel on this. I already have a negative trust by quickseller, wouldn't bother if I get more anyways.

This theory is only true, if ndnhc denies the accusation against him. Its just a hunch  that I have because of a few things. One of them is the address user question2 posted 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE , if you look it up on blockchain, it hasn't had any transaction in the last 5 months, which could mean 2 things.
ndnhc was trying to use another address for the giveaway, or someone is trying to frame him .

[ajareselde]

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Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

Let's not turn this into another Vod/Quickseller hate thread. This is an ndnhc hate thread. Stay on topic plz.

This is on-topic. As another new account who wants ndnhc reputation destroyed, you must be annoyed that there are people who see beyond obvious framing?
Stop hiding behind alts and post from your main account.
Anyways, doubt people here hate Vod or QS, but just are saying that a lot of us think they're wrong on this one.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I'm not sure if I believe this can be true? It can't be.
ndnhc seems like the last person who'd be a scammer, 0.1 BTC is nothing, it's a measly amount.
Why would he bother risking his rep on here for such a pathetic amount?
He hasn't been around for a while, have you guys chased him away, lol?
I hate all the arguments & accusations that I've been reading lately, it's quite depressing tbh.

[SebastianJu]

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

5. Someone who wants to take over his campaign.   /joking of course...

I hope ndnhc comes in soon since at this point it seems he is the only person who can move this thread forward.

[XinXan]

I'm not sure if I believe this can be true? It can't be.
ndnhc seems like the last person who'd be a scammer, 0.1 BTC is nothing, it's a measly amount.
Why would he bother risking his rep on here for such a pathetic amount?
He hasn't been around for a while, have you guys chased him away, lol?
I hate all the arguments & accusations that I've been reading lately, it's quite depressing tbh.

So far everyone that defends him is participating in the dadice signature campaign so ... the arguments and accusations are not depressing, they are true. The argument of : why would he bother risking his reputation is not a good one. He used another account not his main account therefore he probably thought he wasnt in danger so he wasnt really risking anything. Dont ask yourself why would he do it for only 0.1 and such things, scammers can scam you even for 0.01 if they can.

[WhatTheGox]

From my interactions with ndnhc, he always came across as a friendly and good person. I will wait to see his side of the explanation. There is always the chance that he was framed. After all it is surprising that someone will take the effort to create a new account to extort, but use an old address.

If this is in fact ndnhc then the using of the old address was likely a mistake. I would guess/speculate that ndnhc had used an old multibit wallet (or some other non-deterministic wallet) and copied the wrong address to his clipboard (this is of course assuming that ndnhc is in fact guilty). I also have had nothing but good interactions with ndnhc, however that does not mean that there is more then one side to him. I will obviously be willing to hear his side of the story.

So, ndnhc made this account(question2) to extort .1BTC from Joca97? Why did he do this? As a signature campaign manager, he must be getting more income more than average person.

He does.

According to a source, he makes an estimate of 1.8 BTC per month running the DaDice campaign. That works out to roughly $423 per month. That works out to roughly $5,000 per year. In the US, the poverty link for a single person is $11,770 (source), however it is less in other parts of the world. Also according to gallop, the median world household income is ~$10,000, and the median per-capita income is ~$3,000. While an income of $5,000 per year is technically "above average on a per-capita world basis, I think it is fair to say that an extra .1 BTC (~$23) would be a good amount for someone that only makes $5,000 per year.

dadice campaign is his only source of income? if so i would think he is still very young - decent earnings if so.

.1 extra bonus is still only worth a small amount of hassle/risk even if you were a homeless tramp you can beg for a few bucks per hour. If not homeless sign up @ bitcointalk for a signature campaign.

[SOAD]

I'm not sure if I believe this can be true? It can't be.
ndnhc seems like the last person who'd be a scammer, 0.1 BTC is nothing, it's a measly amount.
Why would he bother risking his rep on here for such a pathetic amount?
He hasn't been around for a while, have you guys chased him away, lol?
I hate all the arguments & accusations that I've been reading lately, it's quite depressing tbh.

It wouldn't be risking his rep if he signed up to do the extortion from a different account... unless you screw up. People can always get greedy or hold grudges and it can make people do bad things. Again, not saying he did do this but I don't think we should automatically discredit accusations just because the person is trusted or seems to be.

[ajareselde]

I'm not sure if I believe this can be true? It can't be.
ndnhc seems like the last person who'd be a scammer, 0.1 BTC is nothing, it's a measly amount.
Why would he bother risking his rep on here for such a pathetic amount?
He hasn't been around for a while, have you guys chased him away, lol?
I hate all the arguments & accusations that I've been reading lately, it's quite depressing tbh.

So far everyone that defends him is participating in the dadice signature campaign so ... the arguments and accusations are not depressing, they are true. The argument of : why would he bother risking his reputation is not a good one. He used another account not his main account therefore he probably thought he wasnt in danger so he wasnt really risking anything. Dont ask yourself why would he do it for only 0.1 and such things, scammers can scam you even for 0.01 if they can.

We who are wearing dadice sig. dont defend him because of the campaign, as we are paid by dadice, and not ndnhc.
Fact is that he was too good of a btctalk member to try to scam, let alone for pocket change.
Anyone who thinks that extortionist created a new account to blackmail, and didnt bother to use newly generated address for dumb giveaway is not thinking straight.
I rest this case, seams that people want to blame no matter how dumb it seams.

cheers

[Wendigo]

Ndnhc is a university student from Europe. This time around every year is the time for the final state exams and such. He is probably having a couple left and reading for them thus not visiting the forum. He is probably unemployed too and managing that infamous sig campaign for the cash.

By the way this thread is more epic than game of thrones i will give you that good job everyone lol.

Wait for the exams to end and he will be here all summer long anyways  to ask him about that

[XinXan]

Ndnhc is a university student from Europe. This time around every year is the time for the final state exams and such. He is probably having a couple left and reading for them thus not visiting the forum. He is probably unemployed too and managing that infamous sig campaign for the cash.

By the way this thread is more epic than game of thrones i will give you that good job everyone lol.

Wait for the exams to end and he will be here all summer long anyways  to ask him about that

Yeah i guess, in spain students finished already tho but it depends on the country. It is still pretty weird that he has been offline after a few hours of this post.

I dont believe he will be able to say or provide any evidence that would help him tho. All the possible excuses have been mentioned already. Maybe a staff member could check his ip, see if he used the same for both accounts wich i doubt, he could also take a look at his passwords, if they are the same then its gg. 

Since the account question2 didnt really post too much there is no way to see if there are similarities in their posts or where they post. But, as mentioned already qs2 did post 2/4 of his posts on dadice threads.

[shulio]

I dont believe he will be able to say or provide any evidence that would help him tho. All the possible excuses have been mentioned already. Maybe a staff member could check his ip, see if he used the same for both accounts wich i doubt, he could also take a look at his passwords, if they are the same then its gg. 

We will still need to here from him, all the possible excuses is nothing more but speculation here. Badbear may negative trust him soon if he is guilty , until then if there is no negative trust from badbear than there is still a chance that he might have been frame

Since the account question2 didnt really post too much there is no way to see if there are similarities in their posts or where they post. But, as mentioned already qs2 did post 2/4 of his posts on dadice threads.

Very funny, so anyone that post in dadice is suspected too? He post 2/4 , one is prediction thread , most people predict here with their alt account and the second one in dadice signature , quoting a post from joca about his alt account

[Fortify]

Ndnhc is a university student from Europe. This time around every year is the time for the final state exams and such. He is probably having a couple left and reading for them thus not visiting the forum. He is probably unemployed too and managing that infamous sig campaign for the cash.

By the way this thread is more epic than game of thrones i will give you that good job everyone lol.

Wait for the exams to end and he will be here all summer long anyways  to ask him about that

That's a rubbish excuse, you don't lose all internet when exam time rolls round, it would of taken him 2 minutes to come along and refute the allegations. The mere fact that he is not logging on at all is more evidence that he's involved with something shady. How can he be "managing that infamous sig campaign" when he won't even show his face around here? Way too fishy. If he hasn't posted in this thread by now, he knows the game is up and will just have to move on to new accounts. I hope he get's busted like this every time until he sees that an honest life is the only way to go. I don't agree with the whole concept of selling accounts here, but he could of got a lot more money for it that way.

[GhanaGamboy]

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

5. Someone who wants to take over his campaign.   /joking of course...

I hope ndnhc comes in soon since at this point it seems he is the only person who can move this thread forward.

Why the joking?

Out of everyone in this thread you are the closest to what has happened imho. My theory who is the one person missing who is loving this scenario?
marcotheminer and he would have known jocas alts because joca was in his campaign add to the mix not liking ndnhc and constantly trying to troll his signature thread.

Failing that he resorted to plan b which we get to witness.

He added dadice on skype recently around the same time who has made public marco trying to talk him into letting him take over from ndnhc. He is also sly. I could create a new account plant marcos address everywhere and claim responsibility would that be good for you?
It was good enough before. I feel ashamed of this place with the control a few have over the many.

EDIT: In bold in case it wasn't clear, I have no intention of doing that just want to hear an answer from default what they would do. How does ndnhc member prove it was not him and it was a case as above?

[XinXan]

I think there is a good chance that ndnhc was framed. There are several candidates:

1. Quickseller: He has been after ndnhc due to dadice. Considering his ability it will be easy for him to set up.

2. Twipple: Has the motive to make Quickseller look bad.

3. Any other like Twipple with a similar grudge against Quickseller.

4. Someone who hates ndnhc and wants him gone. As a campaign manager who denies and kicks participants he may have some enemies.

What concerns me is that Quickseller is easy to fool and yet the first responses are mostly bashing ndnhc with no one analyzing the accusation. In the last page he makes another accusation which turns out to be incorrect.

Seeing the feedback on ndnhc, Vod has literally copy pasted his. I wonder if he even took the time to read through the allegation.

5. Someone who wants to take over his campaign.   /joking of course...

I hope ndnhc comes in soon since at this point it seems he is the only person who can move this thread forward.

Why the joking?

Out of everyone in this thread you are the closest to what has happened imho. My theory who is the one person missing who is loving this scenario? marcotheminer and he would have known jocas alts because joca was in his campaign add to the mix not liking ndnhc and constantly trying to troll his signature thread.

Failing that he resorted to plan b which we get to witness.

He added dadice on skype recently around the same time who has made public marco trying to talk him into letting him take over from ndnhc. He is also sly. I could create a new account plant marcos address everywhere and claim responsibility would that be good for you? It was good enough before. I feel ashamed of this place with the control a few have over the many.

"Plant marco address everywhere" see thats the problem here, question2 didnt plant ndnhc address everywhere, in fact only in 1 giveaway post wich is incredibly hard for anyone to notice, if he really wanted to frame ndnhc he would have posted the address everywhere ad you said or at least a few more times

[GhanaGamboy]

You miss the point, as the account had a scammer tag the default members will check recent posts and as soon as an address is found try and link it. "add the address everywhere" was of course hypothetical and to open the mind how easy that would be. The trust system is screwed up. So to sum it up any scammer can post a legit member of the forums address and it is very likely that the legit member will have to deal with this and deal with an account worked on for 123 years ruined in red because how do you prove it? Isn't that a wonderful place

[redsn0w]

Woow , nice catch Quickseller. Well done, I have randomly noticed the ndnhc's trust when I have opened the dadice signature campaign's thread.... I never thought he was an extortionist so dishonest person. Now everything it is clear, and I remember his initial topics in the gambling section ... really suspicious.


I have also seen he never replied to this thread, and I cannot verify if he was banned (but I do not think he was banned). Can someone through a PM, give me more information? Thanks.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Woow , nice catch Quickseller. Well done, I have randomly noticed the ndnhc's trust when I have opened the dadice signature campaign's thread.... I never thought he was an extortionist so dishonest person. Now everything it is clear, and I remember his initial topics in the gambling section ... really suspicious.

I have also seen he never replied to this thread, and I cannot verify if he was banned (but I do not think he was banned). Can someone through a PM, give me more information? Thanks.

Forum search is disabled. So I am lazy to find that post.

You should check on carra's post. Ndnhc has informed carra that he will be back soon, perhaps he is doing something at the moment or is busy to handle the forum. He was away for atleast 3 weeks before due to some matter in the real world. It is not yet proven that he tried to extort, we will need to listen from his part