Trust list reorganizing

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Or the newbie account could be someone who has something against QS. I mean, who would be stupid enough to defend themselves under an alt in such an obvious way? It's more likely that someone who hates QS is doing that. Banning that account would be more than appropriate here, either way.

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[redsn0w]

...Lol newbie saying this or I say shill of some account who don't want to disclose his main account.

Mostly people know me here. And all know I am trader here and mostly focus on trading.

Btw I just gave example of tspacepilot.

Typical. Another thread slanderin Quickseller. And when uninvolved buystanders like myself come to his defence, were accused of god knows what without any proof. I see whats happening here, youre not fooling any one.

Lol I am not fooling anyone that is why I am posting with my main account. You are fooling other by making new account and posting.

Most probably you are alt of QuickSeller that is why you are doing this. So later you will sell this account. So it will serve both defending QS and making post so it will move to upward level.

Im not posting from my main account because first BadBear takesQuickseller of his list, Tomatocage adds him, and then right away has to go and take him off for no reason. Coincidence? Sure. I dont want to get pushed out of the way and sweapt aside like Quickseller, but I cant just stand by and watch him get slandered and railroaded while his fairweather friends like Redsn0w turn on him.

  someone is tired? I have only explained (partially) how the trust system works ... nothing else, because I do not have anything against Quickseller. I think you can post from your main account, because if you are an honest person an  you've never abused the trust system then you will not be removed from some depth 1 users's list (I am sure of this thing).

[erikalui]

Hope that the members added in Tier1 leave accurate ratings and help to track scammers to protect the community. I feel that it's a responsibility of a DF member to use their feedback power wisely so that nobody tries to abuse the ratings. I don't know most of the members on Tier 1 but I hope OP does monitor them to see if their ratings are accurate or not.

Being on this DF list is merely an obsession and it shouldn't matter if one exists or not on the list as their ratings would matter for those who trust them in any case. Newbies anyways should be wise enough before making any deals without escrows and not blindly trust anyone considering their rank/trust.

BTW, shdvb seems like a trusted member as I have seen his thread in the Currency Exchange section and he has done a lot of trades. Why is he excluded?

[shorena]

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QS is good on scam busting but he need to understand the responsibility of default trust. If he has doubt of even 1% he must give neutral trust not Negative trust. That is why Theymos changed trust system to 3tier but mostly DT user don't use Neutral trust they just like to mark red account to show their power.

Is this correct? Can anyone confirm this with a quote?

If thats the case, tomatocages tiering is indeed working.

[dogie]

Hope that the members added in DF1

No one was added to DF1, its a mistake.

[deadley]

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QS is good on scam busting but he need to understand the responsibility of default trust. If he has doubt of even 1% he must give neutral trust not Negative trust. That is why Theymos changed trust system to 3tier but mostly DT user don't use Neutral trust they just like to mark red account to show their power.

Is this correct? Can anyone confirm this with a quote?

If thats the case, tomatocages tiering is indeed working.

3 tier means, Positive, Neutral and Negative.

If anyone have doubt they can leave neutral trust and when they are sure they can leave negative trust.

[Lauda]

Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

I had a feeling I wasn't understanding it right. I have no plans of using Tomatocage1 for anything other than adding people to my Trust list at Depth 2. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but as I think it works, Depth 2 ratings hit a little softer than Depth 1. You'd think I would have a clearer understanding how the Trust system works, being in the actual DefaultTrust group and all

If you really want to use Tomatocage1 for trust only you'd have to get him on Depth 1 as well.
They're correct. Being on depth 3 has no affiliation with the default trust as well. If you put for instance Vod in Depth 3 his ratings will be invalidated.
You could try asking BadBear to add your second account there though.

[erikalui]

Hope that the members added in DF1

No one was added to DF1, its a mistake.

I meant the first tier of the OP (I guess it is the list bearing users who are added by the OP), Tier 1. I edited my post as well.

[dogie]

Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

I had a feeling I wasn't understanding it right. I have no plans of using Tomatocage1 for anything other than adding people to my Trust list at Depth 2. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but as I think it works, Depth 2 ratings hit a little softer than Depth 1. You'd think I would have a clearer understanding how the Trust system works, being in the actual DefaultTrust group and all

If you really want to use Tomatocage1 for trust only you'd have to get him on Depth 1 as well.
They're correct. Being on depth 3 has no affiliation with the default trust as well. If you put for instance Vod in Depth 3 his ratings will be invalidated.
You could try asking BadBear to add your second account there though.

Then we'd be back where we started

[shorena]

-snip-
QS is good on scam busting but he need to understand the responsibility of default trust. If he has doubt of even 1% he must give neutral trust not Negative trust. That is why Theymos changed trust system to 3tier but mostly DT user don't use Neutral trust they just like to mark red account to show their power.

Is this correct? Can anyone confirm this with a quote?

If thats the case, tomatocages tiering is indeed working.

3 tier means, Positive, Neutral and Negative.

If anyone have doubt they can leave neutral trust and when they are sure they can leave negative trust.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

[redsn0w]

Not sure this worked as intended.

Depth 0 is DefaultTrust
Depth 1 is Tomatocage
Depth 2 is Tomatocage1
So any trust ratings Tomatocage1 does doesn't really do anything.

I had a feeling I wasn't understanding it right. I have no plans of using Tomatocage1 for anything other than adding people to my Trust list at Depth 2. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but as I think it works, Depth 2 ratings hit a little softer than Depth 1. You'd think I would have a clearer understanding how the Trust system works, being in the actual DefaultTrust group and all

If you really want to use Tomatocage1 for trust only you'd have to get him on Depth 1 as well.
They're correct. Being on depth 3 has no affiliation with the default trust as well. If you put for instance Vod in Depth 3 his ratings will be invalidated.
You could try asking BadBear to add your second account there though.

Then we'd be back where we started

Exactly , now he used tomatocage1 and added to his trust list those users:

Tomatocage1
    Gavin Andresen
    haploid23
    the joint
    Vod
    John (John K.)
    El Cabron
    DiamondCardz
    dogie
    DefaultTrust
    shdvb
    Quickseller
    gate11


They are still in the default trust list but visible only if someone will put the Trust depth : 3 (and trust DefaultTrust).

[Lauda]

Then we'd be back where we started

I'm pretty sure that a huge group of members (mostly scammers) would be satisfied if Vod, QS and you were left out of d.trust.  

3 tier means, Positive, Neutral and Negative.

If anyone have doubt they can leave neutral trust and when they are sure they can leave negative trust.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up.

What's this about, I'm confused? Theymos changes the trust list to 3 tiers?

so does anyone know haploid? and if what kos said about him was true?

Yes. He was busy even when he was active but he suddenly went dark.
What was said about him?

[notserp]

so does anyone know haploid? and if what kos said about him was true?

Yes. He was busy even when he was active but he suddenly went dark.
What was said about him?

[/quote]so does anyone know haploid? and if what BitcoinDistributor  said about him was true?

said he died in a car crash

[dogie]

Then we'd be back where we started

I'm pretty sure that a huge group of members (mostly scammers) would be satisfied if Vod, QS and you were left out of d.trust.  

Well, 2 guys for me, of which neither understands the trust system and are actively abusing it themselves. Its a lot quieter now the guy with 10 accounts got banned.

[redsn0w]

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What's this about, I'm confused? Theymos changes the trust list to 3 tiers?

No he added the neutral trust, it is not related with any list. The 3 tiers are negative, positive and neutral trust or feedback (that you can leave to any user).


PS: Or maybe I didn't understand your question.

[Lauda]

Well, 2 guys for me, of which neither understands the trust system and are actively abusing it themselves. Its a lot quieter now the guy with 10 accounts got banned.

Are you by any chance referring to QS and Vod or are you talking about others that you won't name?
I actually read the accusations against you just today. It was a fun story to read.  

No he added the neutral trust, it is not related with any list. The 3 tiers are negative, positive and neutral trust or feedback (that you can leave to any user).


PS: Or maybe I didn't understand your question.

I understand that, however I was asking if trust depth 3 has any influence now? I somehow misunderstood (?) it as if depth 3 had influence now (making everyone else depth 4).


Update: Since this is reorganizing I'm curious to why El Cabron is still part of the default trust list? I see him under DeaDTerra and tysat.

[redsn0w]

Well, 2 guys for me, of which neither understands the trust system and are actively abusing it themselves. Its a lot quieter now the guy with 10 accounts got banned.

Are you by any chance referring to QS and Vod or are you talking about others that you won't name?
I actually read the accusations against you just today. It was a fun story to read. 

No he added the neutral trust, it is not related with any list. The 3 tiers are negative, positive and neutral trust or feedback (that you can leave to any user).


PS: Or maybe I didn't understand your question.

I understand that, however I was asking if trust depth 3 has any influence now? I somehow misunderstood (?) it as if depth 3 had influence now (making everyone else depth 4).

It has an influence only if you change your (visualization) trust depth from 2 to 3, if you stay or better choose 2 you will not be "affected" by those users in the level 3 of depth.

[dogie]

Well, 2 guys for me, of which neither understands the trust system and are actively abusing it themselves. Its a lot quieter now the guy with 10 accounts got banned.

Are you by any chance referring to QS and Vod or are you talking about others that you won't name? I actually read the accusations against you just today. It was a fun story to read.  

Haha no, Pekatete (Phillip Katete) and Bicknellski (Darin Bicknell). They're the only ones who seem to be in love with me.

[Quickseller]

If I understand Tomatocage, he is really on pressure because of your vague negative trusting. That is why may be he is trying to reorganising his trust list.

What negative ratings have I given that are vague/questionable? To date I have not seen any ratings that were shown to be unreasonable as of the time they were given with the information available at the time. When additional information has been revealed regarding any negatives that I have given, I have been more then willing to edit and/or remove my negative ratings when I have shown to be wrong.

Take example of tspacepilot, you necro post with your alt account about his 3 year old post. And then mark negative trust from QS account. It is really misuse of DT. Because That time even so many knew about that. And after that there were no complaint about in tspacepilot account but you did it for some revenge. I don't know what was the motive that you searched 3 year old post to marking red.

That guy is a scammer. Why don't you explain how he is not a scammer, and explain what exactly I was trying to get revenge for?

QS is good on scam busting but he need to understand the responsibility of default trust. If he has doubt of even 1% he must give neutral trust not Negative trust. That is why Theymos changed trust system to 3tier but mostly DT user don't use Neutral trust they just like to mark red account to show their power.

Incorrect

Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

Even if you were to use the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard, then someone could be found guilty with a 1% doubt. The standard is "you strongly believe that this person is a scammer" and this standard has been met every time I had left someone a negative rating.

...Lol newbie saying this or I say shill of some account who don't want to disclose his main account.

Mostly people know me here. And all know I am trader here and mostly focus on trading.

Btw I just gave example of tspacepilot.

Typical. Another thread slanderin Quickseller. And when uninvolved buystanders like myself come to his defence, were accused of god knows what without any proof. I see whats happening here, youre not fooling any one.

Lol I am not fooling anyone that is why I am posting with my main account. You are fooling other by making new account and posting.

Most probably you are alt of QuickSeller that is why you are doing this. So later you will sell this account. So it will serve both defending QS and making post so it will move to upward level.

No this is not my account. The only accounts that I have are this one, ACCTseller, one or two others that are attached to my RL identity, and a few newbie accounts that are used to catch scammers trying to scam, however the above account is not one of those accounts. I do not know who this person is.

[BitcoinDistributor]

...In the few days that I was off of BadBear's list (and before being added to your list), at least one person was scammed because they did not see a negative I left...

Yes, re-add Quickseller to the default trust list pleez. He's indespensible to this forums security. Also very smart.

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LOL says one of his alts.