===►Maidak scammed me 400$ BTC,this time is for sure===►

[tspacepilot]

Maidak,

I, for one, appreciate that you gave replies on-thread to everyone's questions.  In the end, being open about your situation and making a plan to repay and sticking to it are the only options for recovering your reputation.  Anyway, I'm just glad you're still here talking to people and I hope all gets worked out soon.

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[DiamondCardz]

I'm rather uncomfortably on the fence on this whole thing after reviewing this all. So Maidak as it would seem is most definitely having liquidity issues. Even then, with liquidity issues, why wouldn't you just give the BTC back? The BTC was simply nicked and sold. I can't see a plausible reason a sane person would do this if their business was struggling.

[markj113]

I'm rather uncomfortably on the fence on this whole thing after reviewing this all. So Maidak as it would seem is most definitely having liquidity issues. Even then, with liquidity issues, why wouldn't you just give the BTC back? The BTC was simply nicked and sold. I can't see a plausible reason a sane person would do this if their business was struggling.

When you offer to buy $5k worth of BTC saying you will send funds "over in a few minutes" then disappear for months then you are a scammer, no excuses or bullshit.

He knew he did not have the funds to pay for the goods before initiating the deal.

[tspacepilot]

I'm rather uncomfortably on the fence on this whole thing after reviewing this all. So Maidak as it would seem is most definitely having liquidity issues. Even then, with liquidity issues, why wouldn't you just give the BTC back? The BTC was simply nicked and sold. I can't see a plausible reason a sane person would do this if their business was struggling.

When you offer to buy $5k worth of BTC saying you will send funds "over in a few minutes" then disappear for months then you are a scammer, no excuses or bullshit.

He knew he did not have the funds to pay for the goods before initiating the deal.

I have to admit I sorta hate this binary mindset that some people on here exhibit where someone is a scammer and someone else is a non-scammer and as if that describes accurately the world we live in.  In point of fact, there are all kinds of shades of grey and degrees of negative behavior.  Satements like "that guy is a scammer, no excuses or bullshit" seem to ignore the fact that if he pays back eventually, that is clearly better behavior than never paying back at all.  And to talk this way, as if the world is a collection of scammers and non-scammers is in fact a misleading dichotomy which only adds confusion and rankor.  If someone makes a mistake and then tries to clear it up, it's clearly better than not trying to clear it up.  I just have become quite sick and tired of this binary scammer/non-scammer thing, I just don't think it's helpful.

[hilariousandco]

I agree there are different shades of scamming or untrustworthyness but the matter of the fact is he currently owes a lot of money which he took under false pretenses and abused his position regardless of excuses or explanations and until he pays it back it's all just talk. Sure, I hope he pays it back but that still wouldn't excuse what he's done and he still did initially take the money without keeping up his end of the deal so he still 'scammed' it from them so regardless of the outcome there's nothing wrong with calling this a scam. At best if he returns the money he's taken out an interest free loan for himself but that was never agreed upon and is still very untrustworthy though I would respect him for making the situation right.

[tspacepilot]

I agree there are different shades of scamming or untrustworthyness but the matter of the fact is he currently owes a lot of money which he took under false pretenses and abused his position regardless of excuses or explanations and until he pays it back it's all just talk. Sure, I hope he pays it back but that still wouldn't excuse what he's done and he still did initially take the money without keeping up his end of the deal so he still 'scammed' it from them so regardless of the outcome there's nothing wrong with calling this a scam. At best if he returns the money he's taken out an interest free loan for himself but that was never agreed upon and is still very untrustworthy though I would respect him for making the situation right.

You're absolutely right that there's nothing wrong with calling this a scam.  And I don't disagree at all with that.  It's actually this "he's a scammer, no excuses" remark which irked me.  I think it may have to do with my own personal issues regarding quickseller.  At some point he seems to have gotten into this idea that I am a scammer, and therefore I must be shunned and attacked at all times by all people for all eternity.  I think this kind of binary mindset is just confusing and wrong and I see it a lot on here.  As if the world is divided into angels and demons and the angels are always doing nothing but the most elevated and ethical and morally motivated things and the demons do nothing but try to subvert all that is right and good. To my mind, this kind of mindset clouds people's judgments and makes them unreasonable.

My point is that people are people and that people make mistakes.  Some people make worse mistakes than others, some people try to rectify their past mistakes, others don't.  But this doesn't add up to a black and white world where the only citizens are scammers and scambusters.

Here's an example of a direct cost to this mindset, Maidak said above that he watch his reptuation fall to -3000 overnight and found it very depressing and made it very hard to come back and face things here because he basically felt there was no hope to fixing his broken rep.  Many of these "scambusters" in this scenario seem to me like some kind of vultures looking for dead bodies so that they can drop their negative feedbacks and say snotty thing in a thread like "I knew he would turn-scammer".   The way they talk you'd think they were on star-wars looking at someone going to the dark-side.

Anyway, I basically agree with you and hope that Maidak is able to repay his debts.  And for the record, I'd work for him again.  He paid me on-time when I did a job for him and that's a valuable thing.  I'm sorry to the people he scammed and I hope he makes it right and never does it again.  I'm just quite irked by the broken mentality here generated by the trust-wranglers as they jockey to try to get more power on some popular internet forum.

[markj113]

I wonder if you would still be so keen to make up and give him a hug if you were on the wrong end of a $5k scam.  

Presuming the guy that sold the $5k worth of btc because he needed the cash  the fact that he may or may not get paid in the distant future is little comfort.

[tspacepilot]

I wonder if you would still be so keen to make up and give him a hug if you were on the wrong end of a $5k scam. 

I appreciate your reply, but your answer seems brief and it appears that you missed my point entirely.  I don't want to rehash it, but for the record, I am not approving of a 5K$ scam.  Please see the details of my two posts above if you actually want to catch my point.

[waterpile]

My point is that people are people and that people make mistakes. 

I don't like this kind of excuse either.. look im just a human and i commit mistakes, so i had to fuck up other people too and  so that both of us have a problem to deal with

so, remove that mindset of yours coz scam is scam.. this is not about good or bad, this is about his action of not keeping his part of the deal.

[tspacepilot]

My point is that people are people and that people make mistakes. 

I don't like this kind of excuse either.. look im just a human and i commit mistakes, so i had to fuck up other people too and  so that both of us have a problem to deal with

so, remove that mindset of yours coz scam is scam.. this is not about good or bad, this is about his action of not keeping his part of the deal.

I agree with you, but this kind of quote given above:

... then disappear for months then you are a scammer, no excuses or bullshit.

betrays a different mindset, and that's the one I'm arguing against.

[Maidak]

I wonder if you would still be so keen to make up and give him a hug if you were on the wrong end of a $5k scam.  

I appreciate your reply, but your answer seems brief and it appears that you missed my point entirely.  I don't want to rehash it, but for the record, I am not approving of a 5K$ scam.  Please see the details of my two posts above if you actually want to catch my point.

TO make it clear on this $5000 that just went missing. It was already agreed between me and this person that the coins he sent me were to be sold and then transferred to my bank. I did it in 2 seperate transactions his total was about $18k in bitcoin actually. I split it and sent him $9000 then during my second sell off this is when my account at the bank was frozen. I didn't have his entire sum in USD to pay him back but I had enough to send him another $4000 USD. Since that shortly after I was laid off while working at cex.io and the only income was through the forums and my websites. Thankfully in march I got a job building high level bridges. Unfortunately it does not pay nearly as much as I use to make working from home online. Which now being that my reputation is what it is. Its near impossible to continue trying to make extra income online after work.

I've already messaged the user who I owe the $5k to and will be making some payments weekly but until I am caught up on some more important debts I'm not able to afford to pay him back in large sums.

Yes there was a mistake, Yes I will fix it I am not a thief just a guy who had some bad luck. One last thing I can't stress enough is I am NOT A SCAMMER. Like I mentioned before if I was going to scam anyone it would of been during one of my group buys where I held onto as much as a quarter million in this forum communities funds, and not $5000 from a single user who had btc he wanted to sell.

Again I have full intentions of getting the 2 users paid back and hopefully my reputation will be repaired on this forum. After running those group buys and realizing that playing with large amounts of cash like that is not to be taken lightly. What I mean by this is IF I ever do something again in my future I learned a very tough lesson when it comes to gambling with the IRS. I can also confidently say that this was the first and will be the last time in my 7 years of online trading that I have ever been put into a corner like I am in currently. I've let a lot of people down especially the ones I owe the cash to but I will do everything it takes to earn back this communities trust and hopefully one day look back at my forum handle and see green again. I've been under a lot of stress and depression but each week i'm able to put myself back together a little bit at a time. I was very close to filing a chapter 13 bankruptcy but thankfully the job I got in march has saved my ass just enough to where I'm able to crawl back out of the hole I got myself into. The funds that I no longer have access to should also be available to me again before the end of the year and you'll bet the first thing I"ll be doing is giving back the money owed to andres. As for Svhb I should have his $450 paid back in the next couple of weeks.

[SebastianJu]

I'm rather uncomfortably on the fence on this whole thing after reviewing this all. So Maidak as it would seem is most definitely having liquidity issues. Even then, with liquidity issues, why wouldn't you just give the BTC back? The BTC was simply nicked and sold. I can't see a plausible reason a sane person would do this if their business was struggling.

When you offer to buy $5k worth of BTC saying you will send funds "over in a few minutes" then disappear for months then you are a scammer, no excuses or bullshit.

He knew he did not have the funds to pay for the goods before initiating the deal.

I have to admit I sorta hate this binary mindset that some people on here exhibit where someone is a scammer and someone else is a non-scammer and as if that describes accurately the world we live in.  In point of fact, there are all kinds of shades of grey and degrees of negative behavior.  Satements like "that guy is a scammer, no excuses or bullshit" seem to ignore the fact that if he pays back eventually, that is clearly better behavior than never paying back at all.  And to talk this way, as if the world is a collection of scammers and non-scammers is in fact a misleading dichotomy which only adds confusion and rankor.  If someone makes a mistake and then tries to clear it up, it's clearly better than not trying to clear it up.  I just have become quite sick and tired of this binary scammer/non-scammer thing, I just don't think it's helpful.

I agree with you. Paying back is definitely better than a scammer.

Saying that... claiming that he scammed is still valid since accepting money while knowing that you can't fulfill the contract is scamming. It only would not be if it would be the agreed thing to do.

I don't know why he decided to do this.

Anyway... when he really pays back then i suggest a slow and steady repayment plan. Then he could show he is still behind and working on it and hickups could be seen fast.

Calling around scammer might be true but for the sake of repayment it is better to set focus on repayment. Debtors dont want to put him into a state of mind where he gives up hope totally. That would be a business decision on the side of the debtors.

[SebastianJu]

I saw that he changed his password recently. I doubt though that someone buys that account with this red trust even when it is a legendary.

For now i changed my rating to negative until he paid back everyone.

[Maidak]

I saw that he changed his password recently. I doubt though that someone buys that account with this red trust even when it is a legendary.

For now i changed my rating to negative until he paid back everyone.

I changed the pass and still plan on paying everyone back. I also hope that my reputation is restored back to normal considering this has been blown out of proportion and the 2 people involved should of been the only 2 to go and use the feedback system to put it at negative. No one else but these people were affected. The fact that its a free for all seems to me like its abusive. I can say with all this negative feedback its been pretty damn hard making any extra income which is most definitely needed in my current situation with IRS in order to pay the 2 users back..

[andresmm91]

Hello,
today Maidak contacted me and explained the situation and everything he's been through.

He told me that this week he would be figuring out a proper time frame to pay what he owes me.

So, altough I have lost my faith at this point, I think it's good that he's trying to fix this.

I will be updating the topic, and of course if he pays back I will post it here, so everyone can know, and also he can recover from his bad reputation right now.

[markj113]

Hello,
today Maidak contacted me and explained the situation and everything he's been through.

He told me that this week he would be figuring out a proper time frame to pay what he owes me.

So, altough I have lost my faith at this point, I think it's good that he's trying to fix this.

I will be updating the topic, and of course if he pays back I will post it here, so everyone can know, and also he can recover from his bad reputation right now.

Words are cheap, how many months has he had to start paying anything back?

(edit : looking at your profile it will be 1 year next month   )

If you want your money back then start legal action immediately.

Seems he is more concerned about getting the negative rep removed so he can start trading here again.

I saw that he changed his password recently. I doubt though that someone buys that account with this red trust even when it is a legendary.

For now i changed my rating to negative until he paid back everyone.

I changed the pass and still plan on paying everyone back. I also hope that my reputation is restored back to normal considering this has been blown out of proportion and the 2 people involved should of been the only 2 to go and use the feedback system to put it at negative. No one else but these people were affected. The fact that its a free for all seems to me like its abusive. I can say with all this negative feedback its been pretty damn hard making any extra income which is most definitely needed in my current situation with IRS in order to pay the 2 users back..

Getting negative rep for stealing over $4000 is blowing things out of proportion apparently and the only people who should leave him negative feedback are the 2 newbie users not on the default trust list so other newbies cant see what he's been up to.

[andresmm91]

Words are cheap, how many months has he had to start paying anything back?

(edit : looking at your profile it will be 1 year next month   )

If you want your money back then start legal action immediately.

Seems he is more concerned about getting the negative rep removed so he can start trading here again.

I can't do anything else, really. I'm from Argentina and taking legal action would be way more expensive.
If he really tries to pay back to me and the other user, great. If not, lesson learned for me (already learned actually).

[CheapSerials]

I saw that he changed his password recently. I doubt though that someone buys that account with this red trust even when it is a legendary.

For now i changed my rating to negative until he paid back everyone.

I changed the pass and still plan on paying everyone back. I also hope that my reputation is restored back to normal considering this has been blown out of proportion and the 2 people involved should of been the only 2 to go and use the feedback system to put it at negative. No one else but these people were affected. The fact that its a free for all seems to me like its abusive. I can say with all this negative feedback its been pretty damn hard making any extra income which is most definitely needed in my current situation with IRS in order to pay the 2 users back..

So if you repay anyone thats cool and if you are lucky your -rep will be removed but can you guarantee you wont "scam" anymore ?

[SebastianJu]

I saw that he changed his password recently. I doubt though that someone buys that account with this red trust even when it is a legendary.

For now i changed my rating to negative until he paid back everyone.

I changed the pass and still plan on paying everyone back. I also hope that my reputation is restored back to normal considering this has been blown out of proportion and the 2 people involved should of been the only 2 to go and use the feedback system to put it at negative. No one else but these people were affected. The fact that its a free for all seems to me like its abusive. I can say with all this negative feedback its been pretty damn hard making any extra income which is most definitely needed in my current situation with IRS in order to pay the 2 users back..

I'm happy that you try to fix that. After i heard what happened i actually was lucky since i misse not being paid by you for a hairsbreadth.

The trust is surely for warning other people and i think markj113 has a valid point. You would have no known red trust with only the victims voting. And i think not trusting you is needed for now since it seems you accepted payment for contracts you knew you can't fill. A warning is needed for sure.

By the way... you can still trade fine by using an escrow since the other parties risk is taken down.

[SebastianJu]

So you gave me now a negative trust rating stating that you remove it once i remove mine and once you paid the money back.

I'm not sure why you think i should get a negative trust from you. You aren't in default trust anymore so it won't be seen by others but still this looks like nothing that should happen. The trust system surely is not for "I remove mine when you remove yours"-games.

I don't know how the others think about that. You surely don't await that no one from the forum gives you negative trust so that you possibly could "lend" more money, don't you? And this behaviour let it look like you feel you did nothing wrong at all. As if you feel treated unfair by those members on default list giving you negative.

Like i wrote, you can still trade with escrows. But demanding that you should have a clean trust rating is morally questionable and makes your mindset questionable too.