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September 11, 2012, 11:43:27 AM
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Pretend like someone gave you 1 million dollars and told you to buy bitcoins with it in less than a months time. How would you go about doing this? Would you buy them all in one big market order in hopes to spark a panic? Would you accumulate the coins slowly throughout the month? Would you use a bot? Would you set up bid walls? Would you even use mtgox? If not, who would you contact to purchase coins from without using the exchange and what price would you offer to buy them at?


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September 11, 2012, 12:04:09 PM
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yea, that's what i meant by "spark a panic."

I guess I should have been more specific.

I meant a panic rally. Where speculators start to panic buy.

I'm not sure this would be the smartest option because it might cause another bubble.

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September 11, 2012, 12:20:31 PM
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Pretend like someone gave you 1 million dollars and told you to buy bitcoins with it in less than a months time. How would you go about doing this? Would you buy them all in one big market order in hopes to spark a panic? Would you accumulate the coins slowly throughout the month? Would you use a bot? Would you set up bid walls? Would you even use mtgox? If not, who would you contact to purchase coins from without using the exchange and what price would you offer to buy them at?



Is that you Mitt?
lol i knew this was coming.

No, my whole reason for asking this is because that whole extortion hoax got me thinking about what I would do in this hypothetical situation.

Keep in mind it could also be someone who wants the tax returns to be released.  

Or maybe Romney would pay the "release" address just to call the hackers bluff to patch things up politically.

Also, this would make the Democrats look stupid because people would assume that it was the Democratic party that paid the release address only to fall for a hoax.

It could be a good move for Romney to pay the release address if the secret service determined it is indeed a hoax.

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September 11, 2012, 12:23:27 PM
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I'd create a schedule for a month and try to stick to it.  It'd be a little tempting to do it in one buy.  Right now you could buy $1m worth of bitcoins without breaking $13.
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September 11, 2012, 12:29:13 PM
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In Mitt's case, it doesn't really matter how the purchase would be made, since the demand specified that only the USD value at the end must total at least $1 million.  In fact, it would be better for him if he caused the price to spike, since that would mean paying fewer USD in total.  So, if I were fulfilling the request in his case, I would probably make a few large, private transactions, followed by a series of increasing public purchases in order to drive up the price.

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September 11, 2012, 12:36:36 PM
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I would say to the investor:

1) Be a good guy and invest slowly while stabilizing the price. This includes selling small parts if the price raises too quick (sell the win)

2) Do not build own walls, but buy large parts of suddenly arising big ask walls (could be from a manipulator, that's even better).

3) Perhaps it is not possible for investing this large batches in one month. It it seldom a good idea invest or deinvest large batches at once (but for manipulating the market).

4) Mt.Gox as the market place, perhaps others in addition (for arbitraging and stabilization)

5) I wouldn't use bots

6) I don't know other market place then Mt.Gox for this large amount

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September 11, 2012, 12:44:42 PM
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I'd create a schedule for a month and try to stick to it.  It'd be a little tempting to do it in one buy.  Right now you could buy $1m worth of bitcoins without breaking $13.
History has shown that most of these walls are temporary and can vanish from one second to the other.

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September 11, 2012, 12:46:47 PM
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Interesting question. Remember that the opposite question "What is the best way to dispose of 1 million dollars worth of bitcoins?" may be just as relevant for some. i.e. there are some early adopters around with access to huge amounts of coins. But they can't sell over too short a period on gox without crashing the market. Now if only there were a way for these parties to find one another without either party having to show his/her hand publicly first and sparking a panic. I suspect iceberg orders on gox will do a lot to enable large players to enter/exit the market non-disruptively. Still hoping for something like this.

I was also wondering what I would do in this situation under the assumption that the threat is real (highly unlikely) and that I really have something to hide (highly likely). My first thought was that I would send an encrypted message to the blackmailer requesting a new deposit address so that I could pay without it being widely known that I paid. I thought I could use the public key corresponding to the blackmailer's address to encrypt the message so that only the blackmailer could read the message.  I then realised that since bitcoin addresses are hashes of public keys rather than the public keys themselves, this key would be unknown until someone does a withdrawal from the address.

Does anyone know why this is? What benefits do we get from using the hash rather than the key itself? Obviously we save a few bits on address length, but since we are past the point where addresses can realistically be memorised or manually typed anyway, this seems somewhat irrelevant. Satoshi had good reasons for most every choice he made in this system. What was the reason for this one?
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September 11, 2012, 12:52:33 PM
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Right now you could buy $1m worth of bitcoins without breaking $13.

Yes. Now would be a good time to start acquiring $1M worth of BTC.

Here's the argument:

Between June and mid-late August, the ask depth was so precariously thin that a 100K BTC market buy would quickly push the cost per additional BTC bought far beyond 30USD/BTC.

Obviously, this would be unacceptable, as the price would quickly crash after the big bid.

Acquiring any significant amount of BTC on the exchanges was simply not an option at the time.

The current situation is different:

With the ask depth that filled in after the BTCST Exit, one could load up on a decent amount of BTC,
without having to suffer entirely outrageous marginal cost toward the tail end.

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September 11, 2012, 01:17:22 PM
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5.5k btc slippage.  not bad.

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September 11, 2012, 01:33:12 PM
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Pretend like someone gave you 1 million dollars and told you to buy bitcoins with it in less than a months time. How would you go about doing this? Would you buy them all in one big market order in hopes to spark a panic? Would you accumulate the coins slowly throughout the month? Would you use a bot? Would you set up bid walls? Would you even use mtgox? If not, who would you contact to purchase coins from without using the exchange and what price would you offer to buy them at?

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In seriousness, though: contact Gavin and have him contact trustable people with lots of coins and buy them at a good price (+20%) so they keep quiet until you got all the deals closed.

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September 11, 2012, 04:33:14 PM
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Pretend like someone gave you 1 million dollars and told you to buy bitcoins with it in less than a months time. How would you go about doing this? Would you buy them all in one big market order in hopes to spark a panic? Would you accumulate the coins slowly throughout the month? Would you use a bot? Would you set up bid walls? Would you even use mtgox? If not, who would you contact to purchase coins from without using the exchange and what price would you offer to buy them at?

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In seriousness, though: contact Gavin and have him contact trustable people with lots of coins and buy them at a good price (+20%) so they keep quiet until you got all the deals closed.

lol. I'm not a "reputable forum member" though.

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September 11, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
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Pretend like someone gave you 1 million dollars and told you to buy bitcoins with it in less than a months time. How would you go about doing this? Would you buy them all in one big market order in hopes to spark a panic? Would you accumulate the coins slowly throughout the month? Would you use a bot? Would you set up bid walls? Would you even use mtgox? If not, who would you contact to purchase coins from without using the exchange and what price would you offer to buy them at?



Despite the current state of the order book it will change if you push it and you will end up paying more of a premium than you expect if you plunk down $1m all at once. It is a maximum risk scenario.


Is that really true? It was my impression that once a large order is placed on MtGox that is executing against existing asks, no other orders can be cancelled (or placed) while that order is in the process of being filled.
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September 11, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
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I realize it takes time (way too much time, TBH). But during that time period, the state of the orderbook should be locked. Order execution should be fully atomic.
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September 11, 2012, 08:57:11 PM
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Pretend like someone gave you 1 million dollars and told you to buy bitcoins with it in less than a months time. How would you go about doing this? Would you buy them all in one big market order in hopes to spark a panic? Would you accumulate the coins slowly throughout the month? Would you use a bot? Would you set up bid walls? Would you even use mtgox? If not, who would you contact to purchase coins from without using the exchange and what price would you offer to buy them at?



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September 11, 2012, 08:58:16 PM
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I realize it takes time (way too much time, TBH). But during that time period, the state of the orderbook should be locked. Order execution should be fully atomic.

agreed, why to they allow orders to be pulled out of the way of 1 major buy?

theirs no reason it should "take time" to lock the books and fill orders, for 1 big buy. its just a few numbers being moved around.

i dont get it....

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September 11, 2012, 08:59:02 PM
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Start a corporation, offer to buy coins for various methods. Keep them.
Wouldn't even bother with exchangers, this method you could do it and avoid ID and fees
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September 11, 2012, 09:11:31 PM
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i'd buy 1 million dollars worth of LSD and sell it on SR Cool

lol!

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September 11, 2012, 09:17:01 PM
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Pretend like someone gave you 1 million dollars and told you to buy bitcoins with it in less than a months time. How would you go about doing this? Would you buy them all in one big market order in hopes to spark a panic? Would you accumulate the coins slowly throughout the month? Would you use a bot? Would you set up bid walls? Would you even use mtgox? If not, who would you contact to purchase coins from without using the exchange and what price would you offer to buy them at?
I would talk to private individuals who hold large amounts of Bitcoin and try to make private purchases to keep the price from going up too much too quickly. I'd try to buy for spot price and I'd actually slowly sell Bitcoins on exchanges the whole time to try to keep the spot price down.

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September 11, 2012, 10:15:29 PM
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well. someone beat me to it.

bold move.

i think this guy has no intention of actually purchasing coins though.

160k btc bid wall is just obnoxious.

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