I saw your post asking for me to look at your provably fair system, so I did.
I'm not sure how exactly you think it is better than Just-Dice's provably fair system, which is pretty much the standard for dice site provable fairness, and so it's hard to dispute your claim.
we made it very easy for "humans" to verify every bet, ever made on our site [...] You can click on any bet ID and get this information.
I think that was his point. You need to click every individual bet. That's inconvenient. You also need to make a note of the server seed hash before each roll so you can check afterwards that it didn't change. It's too much overhead.
The added complexity of having a daily seed makes matters worse. If I make 100 bets I have to choose between two inconvenient methods of verifying them:
1) wait until the next day, get the dseed for the day I made the bets on, and generate the 100 rolls
2) note the server seed hash before each roll, and click each betid to verify that the roll was fair
So either 1) wait 24 hours or 2) click 100 times. Neither is very satisfactory, especially when most sites have already solved the problem. Just use a server seed, a client seed, and a nonce. Let the player reveal the server seed whenever they like and otherwise don't change it; rely on the changing nonce (bet_ctr) to change the rolls.
That's the system pioneered by Just-Dice and nowadays used by pretty much every reputable dice site.
I don't think all the extra complexity you have added is worth the relatively minor gains, especially given the extra inconvenience that goes along with it. The only tangible advantage I can see is that you can prove that you're not cheating even to people who don't care whether you're cheating enough to set their own client seed. But by definition, those people don't care.
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I'm not sure you'll have a lot of success offering a dice game with less features, higher house edge, and lower max bets than almost all the competition, and you have no investment feature either. Those seem to be strange decisions you've made, and I guess you have your reasons for them.
Good luck with it.
Well... I asked for it and I got it.
First off, Thanks for taking the time to look over our system. You clearly looked it over in detail, and we appreciate that. Our team has a lot of respect for your work.
We hear you loud and clear about verifying a lot of bets at once. You are right.
We are immediately working on a batch verifier to fix this. Expect it within days. We will make sure that it is easy and clear for anyone to use. This was a missing part of our system, thanks again for pointing it out.
I don't think all the extra complexity you have added is worth the relatively minor gains, especially given the extra inconvenience that goes along with it. The only tangible advantage I can see is that you can prove that you're not cheating even to people who don't care whether you're cheating enough to set their own client seed. But by definition, those people don't care.
I have to disagree with you here. I think this step is so very important. True, these people don't care, but
WE care. We want to prevent EVERY single possible way that we could cheat. I am a little surprised that you don't see that as a honorable effort to make everything as fair as possible. This is a hole where an admin could cheat their users.
We absolutely can not ignore that. With all these dice sites around now, and more appearing every day, someone is either using this hole to exploit users or will use it soon. Yes, you are correct that in our current layout, this makes bulk verification difficult. We will fix that. The system is solid, making it easier to confirm is the next step.
Thanks for pointing out our minor meta issue, we have fixed it.
I'm not sure you'll have a lot of success offering a dice game with less features, higher house edge, and lower max bets than almost all the competition, and you have no investment feature either. Those seem to be strange decisions you've made, and I guess you have your reasons for them.
Less features- The only thing we were missing from our dice game was a few "min-1/2-2x-max" buttons on the manual part of dice. This has already been fixed and live NOW.
Keyboard shortcuts are on the way. If you can show us anything else we might be missing let us know, we will be happy to add it.
Higher house edge- Fair enough, 1% house edge live NOW
Lower max bets than almost all the competition- That will grow over time and we are adding more to our bankroll every day. We are new, and using our own funds. We are more focused on fair, steady growth.
We are not like most other places. Community is more important to us than fast and easy personal profits. We are in it for the long haul. I look at our decision not to have an investment feature as just another way to prove that we are fair. I see too many sites that use customer funds, then magically take a loss. We prefer to take the risk ourselves for now. We believe enough in what we are doing to grow slowly, and honestly.
I think we are building our business the right way. We do not need to be the biggest. We are building a foundation on fairness, trust, transparency, and community. Open to change, and willing to do whatever it takes to eliminate cheating.
I hope you come revisit us in a few days once the bulk verifier is in place, and we welcome any more constructive advice.
