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Question: Is Gavin "The Economic Crisis Is Over" Andresen correct, compromised, or crazy?
Correct.  The economy is fine. - 19 (20.9%)
Compromised.  The economy has since 2008 operated on extend and pretend, bailouts, and borrowed time. - 47 (51.6%)
Crazy.  Gavin has ascended to his level of incompetence and gone off the rails. - 25 (27.5%)
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January 08, 2016, 02:58:34 AM
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It's at least slightly horrible how some of you resorted to immediately attacking Gavin's character and motives, then "sensorships", then ddos. He'd been a pretty forthright shepherd of the repo for quite a while, handed the keys from satoshi himself, and it was right off to the woodchipper when he had an honest philosophical difference of opinion with the blockstream guys.

jtoomim's survey pretty much told you all you need to know. It's only a matter of time until miners realize that their competition for fees is centrally planning their future profits away.

It's also silly that you accuse gavin and others of being compromised and pushing ulterior motives... while letting the question of blockstream's motives flow gracefully over your mind like a calm sea. Why? because gmaxwell dazzles with technical delight? He certainly does do that. Because adam just comes across as a nice guy? (he really does, and probably is Smiley)

61% or so nodes are not running the latest core release. Segwit through softfork will leave how much of the node network in a sort of SPV+ mode? Controversial? sure. Hard fork? no, so safety.

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January 08, 2016, 03:10:13 AM
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Cry  It's at least slightly horrible how some of you resorted to immediately attacking Gavin's character and motives, then "sensorships"   Cry

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I'm attacking Gavin's ridiculous "The Financial Crisis Is Over" premise and his ridiculous 'broadband rollout coming Because NFLX' conclusion.

It's not "horrible" to explore the most likely reasons for that perfect shitstorm of demonstrated economic illiteracy and technical incompetence.


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January 08, 2016, 03:15:22 AM
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I'm attacking Gavin's ridiculous "The Financial Crisis Is Over" premise and his ridiculous 'broadband rollout coming Because NFLX' conclusion.

It's not "horrible" to explore the most likely reasons for that perfect shitstorm of demonstrated economic illiteracy and technical incompetence.

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January 08, 2016, 03:18:33 AM
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Cry  It's at least slightly horrible how some of you resorted to immediately attacking Gavin's character and motives, then "sensorships"   Cry

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I'm attacking Gavin's ridiculous "The Financial Crisis Is Over" premise and his ridiculous 'broadband rollout coming Because NFLX' conclusion.

It's not "horrible" to explore the most likely reasons for that perfect shitstorm of demonstrated economic illiteracy and technical incompetence.

You know I'm not lock step with BIP101, never have been, but to meet a bad proposal with a similarly bad one on the other end of the spectrum isn't fantastic either.

And as you've stated before, this is the crucible of internet nerd drama, we shall see how it all shakes out. 
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January 08, 2016, 03:29:26 AM
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Give him a break, lots of people thought things were slowly getting better.
He didn't tell everyone to buy bank stocks did he now?

I honestly don't know what the global economy is doing, there is so much noise and confusion. We will know when its done.

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January 08, 2016, 03:29:52 AM
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Cry  It's at least slightly horrible how some of you resorted to immediately attacking Gavin's character and motives, then "sensorships"   Cry

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I'm attacking Gavin's ridiculous "The Financial Crisis Is Over" premise and his ridiculous 'broadband rollout coming Because NFLX' conclusion.

It's not "horrible" to explore the most likely reasons for that perfect shitstorm of demonstrated economic illiteracy and technical incompetence.

You know I'm not lock step with BIP101, never have been, but to meet a bad proposal with a similarly bad one on the other end of the spectrum isn't fantastic either.

And as you've stated before, this is the crucible of internet nerd drama, we shall see how it all shakes out. 

Are you talking about BIP000?  If so, I disagee the 'don't fix what isn't broken' proposal is a "similarly bad one."

And we've already seen how 101 shook out, IE completely failed at everything except crashing the price for a few months.


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January 08, 2016, 03:42:49 AM
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Give him a break, lots of people thought things were slowly getting better.
He didn't tell everyone to buy bank stocks did he now?

I honestly don't know what the global economy is doing, there is so much noise and confusion. We will know when its done.

I won't "give him a break" because the civil war Gavin intentionally instigated turned into a distraction that set Bitcoin development back at least 6 months.

Stupid, gullible, clueless, borderline brain dead, very-low-information people "thought things were slowly getting better."  Those of us with IQs over 80 knew better.

Since you still haven been hit hard enough with the clue stick to realize the 2008 crisis never ended, I presume that excludes present company.

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Are you talking about BIP000?  If so, I disagee the 'don't fix what isn't broken' proposal is a "similarly bad one."

And we've already seen how 101 shook out, IE completely failed at everything except crashing the price for a few months.

https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases-faq  Smiley

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Are you talking about BIP000?  If so, I disagee the 'don't fix what isn't broken' proposal is a "similarly bad one."

And we've already seen how 101 shook out, IE completely failed at everything except crashing the price for a few months.

https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases-faq  Smiley



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Are you talking about BIP000?  If so, I disagee the 'don't fix what isn't broken' proposal is a "similarly bad one."

And we've already seen how 101 shook out, IE completely failed at everything except crashing the price for a few months.

https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases-faq  Smiley



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Should you have any questions or concerns regarding the Core Capacity Increace FAQ, please feel free to discuss them with one of our customer care client services specialists.

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It sure is easier to make sophomoric digs at a private company than defend Gavin's indefensible "economic crisis is over" conclusion/prediction, isn't it?

Your Gavin-like Debby Denial economic illiteracy is duly noted.   Wink



Core is making great progress with RBF, segwit, etc.

If you bratty children could STFU and stop asking Are We There Yet, that would be great.


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I guess we all know how you voted.   Roll Eyes

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If you bratty children could STFU and stop asking Are We There Yet, that would be great.

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I guess we all know how you voted.   Roll Eyes

Deflect and distract with your silly false dichotomies all you wish.  You only embarrass yourself more (not that you have any honor or esteem left to lose).

The economic crisis is obviously not over and Gavin obviously looks like a retard for saying it was.

I'm not surprised you studiously avoid those glaring facts.

XT/BU lost.  And Bitcoin Ultra is here to heal the rift caused by you Gavinista assclowns.   Smiley

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I guess we all know how you voted.   Roll Eyes

Deflect and distract with your silly false dichotomies all you wish.  You only embarrass yourself more (not that you have any honor or esteem left to lose).

The economic crisis is obviously not over and Gavin obviously looks like a retard for saying it was.

I'm not surprised you studiously avoid those glaring facts.

XT/BU lost.  And Bitcoin Ultra is here to heal the rift caused by you Gavinista assclowns.   Smiley

How's the food in the GCHQ basement?  I hope it's fekkin' awful.   Kiss

Look, Eisenstein! He was obviously referring to a specifc financial crisis. Not the on-going struggle against statists that you ZH lot are on about.









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And how does the world economy diving into the shitter have anything to do with not adding a tad extra capacity for our  superior alternative right when it matters?
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And how does the world economy diving into the shitter have anything to do with not adding a tad extra capacity for our  superior alternative right when it matters?

I guess they'll get around to it. But unless they're built differently than most humans, they'll do it based on a bias (and it's one that they've incorporated). Isn't the conflict of interest issue here just as important to unpack?

Maybe when you stop being a childish shill we'll talk about it, hmmm?

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The economic crisis is obviously not over and Gavin obviously looks like a retard for saying it was.
Well that might be true, but meanwhile my kids' stocks are giving good returns, there are lots of jobs and the company I work for keeps hiring new people.
SpaceX made history, Tesla electric cars are here to save the day and my country has 50% of electricity from renewable sources.

Even Greece is still here. And if it wasn't what do I care if some banks and Greece go under? Things are honestly not looking so bad to me.

Yeah world banks and governments are still super corrupt and stupid and spending too much on bombing random middle eastern countries, but I will forgive people thinking things are pretty cool right now.
I don't know why things are so good considering above stupidity, but at the moment they are.

Now in the future with devastating climate change and peak oil and war triggered by USA and Russia stupidity maybe the story changes.

I hedged my bets on all sides. I have Bitcoin, I have cash, I have savings, I have stocks, I have a little gold, I have my own small business and a full time job - the world can do whatever it damn well pleases.


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The economic crisis is obviously not over and Gavin obviously looks like a retard for saying it was.
Well that might be true, but meanwhile my kids' stocks are giving good returns, there are lots of jobs and the company I work for keeps hiring new people.
SpaceX made history, Tesla electric cars are here to save the day and my country has 50% of electricity from renewable sources.

Even Greece is still here. And if it wasn't what do I care if some banks and Greece go under? Things are honestly not looking so bad to me.

Yeah world banks and governments are still super corrupt and stupid and spending too much on bombing random middle eastern countries, but I will forgive people thinking things are pretty cool right now.
I don't know why things are so good considering above stupidity, but at the moment they are.

Now in the future with devastating climate change and peak oil and war triggered by USA and Russia stupidity maybe the story changes.

I hedged my bets on all sides. I have Bitcoin, I have cash, I have savings, I have stocks, I have a little gold, I have my own small business and a full time job - the world can do whatever it damn well pleases.

And on topic: We need bigger blocks, go go go. Lets try 2mb and see if the world ends eh?

"devastating climate change and peak oil?"

ManBearPig aside, do you even read the news?

EG https://twitter.com/Melt_Dem/status/685202184720396288

Wow, I don't know how do deal with someone suffering with such dullest-spoon-in-the-dishwasher worthy delusions.

But your Gavin-like Debby Denial economic illiteracy is duly noted.   Wink



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It honestly depends how you interpret his statement.  "Financial crisis is over" could just mean not in free fall anymore since there were talks of tanks in the streets when it occurred.  So, if the requirement of tanks is over, at least for a brief period of time, then you have still not solved any problem, but you're not in the middle of a crisis.

It depends what the definition of is is.

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