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September 20, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
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In my mind, it is inevitable that Silk Road will either be shut down or cease to operate in the not too distant future.
While successors will eventually spring up in its place, there will still be a large, sudden drop in demand for BTC.
How low will BTC go?
How soon might this happen?
Since I believe Bitcoin is bigger than Silkroad, I would welcome the opportunity to buy coins cheaply, but others may see this scenario as a disaster for the community.
I'm interested in peoples thoughts.
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kiba
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September 20, 2012, 03:04:58 PM |
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Meh, I don't think silk road is going to crash us.
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September 20, 2012, 03:06:44 PM |
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I don't think Silk Road is going to crash.
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September 20, 2012, 03:10:22 PM |
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are their any other silkroad-like sites running on tor? (marketplace that only allows bitcoin?)
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Domrada
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September 20, 2012, 03:18:23 PM |
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I couldn't disagree more. I don't see S R ever going away. I only see more and more SR-like businesses popping up all over the place to take advantage of a successful business model. At that point if one of them fails it won't hurt bitcoin at all.
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September 20, 2012, 03:22:48 PM |
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In my mind, it is inevitable that Silk Road will either be shut down or cease to operate in the not too distant future.
While successors will eventually spring up in its place, there will still be a large, sudden drop in demand for BTC.
How low will BTC go?
How soon might this happen?
Since I believe Bitcoin is bigger than Silkroad, I would welcome the opportunity to buy coins cheaply, but others may see this scenario as a disaster for the community.
I'm interested in peoples thoughts.
Not sure how can silk road be shutdown, the authorities would have a hard time to even locate their server, let alone the people behind it. Plus there are several other markets available in onionland, just not as popular yet. I'm sure their popularity will suddenly increase if the silkroad operators went full retard and got shutdown some how. |
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September 20, 2012, 03:25:21 PM |
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I have never used SR. It's collapse would mean nothing to me.
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September 20, 2012, 03:26:21 PM |
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The silk road will not crash.
Silk road improves the efficiency in the dark economy, and the increase of the efficiency is especially huge for the the drug dealing industry. Now the Silk road is a C2C web site, and there will soon be a drug Amazon appeared. Some drug producer in the Mexico or some where like that will sell the drugs directly to the local drug dealers. The price of the drugs will fall, and reduce the harm of drugs done to the society.
If a man don't use drug, he will not buy a drug on silk road only because it is easy; If a man use drugs, the inconvenience and expensiveness will not stop him from purchasing.
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kiba
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September 20, 2012, 03:29:30 PM |
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SR crashing is not impossible, just very hard to do.
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September 20, 2012, 03:31:16 PM |
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i guess its just a matter of time. but i dont care  would be an opportunity for cheap coins |
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September 20, 2012, 03:49:02 PM |
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I have never used silk road. I have seen several people saying that the majority of bitcoin commerce is on silk road, but I have never seen actual data that backs that up. Does anybody have the daily revenue of silk road? If we could find that we could compare it to the daily volume of exchanged bitcoins and see how much affect the shutdown of silk road would have.
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September 20, 2012, 03:53:14 PM |
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As long as SR is profitable to the owner it will continue, barring getting busted somehow.
The USG has all but admitted that Tor is a huge impediment to their shutting illegal internet activity such as SR, CP etc.
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September 20, 2012, 04:07:04 PM |
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I have never used silk road. I have seen several people saying that the majority of bitcoin commerce is on silk road, but I have never seen actual data that backs that up. Does anybody have the daily revenue of silk road? If we could find that we could compare it to the daily volume of exchanged bitcoins and see how much affect the shutdown of silk road would have.
The nearest anyone (outside the FBI possibly) has seen to a decent analysis, using data from feedback ratings over a number of months... http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.7139 "We evaluate the total revenue made by all sellers to approximately USD 1.9 million per month" So that's ~200k btc a month, or ~6,666.66666666 btc a day. Mt.Gox traded 35,435.31 today. |
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September 20, 2012, 04:16:15 PM |
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I could see Silk Road getting shut down if the operator(s) made some sort of mistake that inadvertently disclosed their identity. That mistake could be as simple as spelling some word in a peculiar way and then finding that same misspelling uniquely somewhere else, like here on the forums, or on Facebook, or whatever.
What would be awesome, however, is if the SR operator had a "dead man switch" that automatically disclosed his complete source code to the public in case he ever ceased to run it unexpectedly (died or went to jail or whatever). Then half a dozen copycats - basically anyone with the balls - could take his place and open up all kinds of markets after he has nothing to lose by sharing his code. (Meanwhile, the public would get a chance to close any hidden security holes or whatever there might be).
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Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable. I never believe them. If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins. I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion. Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice. Don't keep coins online. Use paper or hardware wallets instead.
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September 20, 2012, 04:24:52 PM |
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I have never used silk road. I have seen several people saying that the majority of bitcoin commerce is on silk road, but I have never seen actual data that backs that up. Does anybody have the daily revenue of silk road? If we could find that we could compare it to the daily volume of exchanged bitcoins and see how much affect the shutdown of silk road would have.
The nearest anyone (outside the FBI possibly) has seen to a decent analysis, using data from feedback ratings over a number of months... http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.7139 "We evaluate the total revenue made by all sellers to approximately USD 1.9 million per month" So that's ~200k btc a month, or ~6,666.66666666 btc a day. Mt.Gox traded 35,435.31 today. And I would guess many sellers are selling or spending at least part of the bitcoins. so the effect on the price is even less. Also, as the price of btc goes up and the Bitcoin economy grows, Silk Road will be a smaller percentage of it. |
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paulie_w
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September 20, 2012, 04:49:16 PM |
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op, please outline a plausible scenario by which SR might be taken down, assuming the admin has good security practices in place.
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thebaron
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September 20, 2012, 04:52:16 PM |
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If there was any reason they'd shut down, it would be because they're having trouble cashing out their profits.
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paulie_w
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September 20, 2012, 04:53:43 PM |
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exactly. but the beautiful thing about bitcoin is that you can just sit on it for as long as you want, until you completely figure out your laundering strategy.
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September 20, 2012, 04:54:48 PM |
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can anyone explain how an entire site can exist inside TOR? I mean I read that it's like a fake TLD that's correctly translated but wouldn't the creators of the TOR software have to manually code the software to accept and properly route fake TLDs? So pull the plug on that idiotic feature! I'm still not convinced they designed it that way in the first place but I can't imagine how else someone could set up a website that exists only in TOR and have it actually work.
Btw with all the 3rd party code and direct to browser scripts and FTP operations and stuff, any web server sitting only in the TOR network would get identified and found out in like a day. So if those idiots think they're safe, they're not.
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