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Question: Monero Marketing: Is It Time?  (Voting closed: August 18, 2015, 09:17:53 PM)
Yes, the world is ready for fungible e-cash! - 12 (17.9%)
No, the 6GB/RAM database is a deal-killer. - 18 (26.9%)
No, we need an Official GUI. - 27 (40.3%)
No, we need multi-sig support. - 1 (1.5%)
Sort of, let's evaluate efforts case-by-case. - 9 (13.4%)
Total Voters: 67

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July 16, 2015, 06:05:18 AM
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Before marketing, I think XMR must have at least one direct fiat/XMR exchange.
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July 16, 2015, 06:48:45 AM
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Before marketing, I think XMR must have at least one direct fiat/XMR exchange.

Well unfortunately there is not one. Monero has two!
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July 16, 2015, 10:37:19 AM
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Before marketing, I think XMR must have at least one direct fiat/XMR exchange.

Well unfortunately there is not one. Monero has two!

Which ones?
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July 16, 2015, 10:52:42 AM
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Before marketing, I think XMR must have at least one direct fiat/XMR exchange.

Well unfortunately there is not one. Monero has two!

Which ones?

rumor has it there's actually 3:

and to clarify, I guess altquick is not an "exchange", its merely a place to buy Monero directly with fiat.

https://www.altquick.co/buy-2.php?coin=XMR

and apparently xstock.io, as indicated here: http://moneroinvestment.com/?page_id=19 , but it looks like XMR is not live yet

and there's a 3rd someone mentioned...

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July 16, 2015, 11:01:53 AM
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you have been marketing for 1 year now with your relentless hateful spam

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July 16, 2015, 03:21:31 PM
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you have been marketing for 1 year now with your relentless hateful spam

It is not marketing what we are doing here.
Monero will attract crypto virgins with piles of fiat money.
Bitcoiners who are smart enough have joined in already, more or less. It is time to look for people who are not even aware of crypto and introduce Monero to them as the best coin ever made.
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July 16, 2015, 03:56:49 PM
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I think some issues need fixed first...

1) GUI wallet
2) Exchange support - having everything on 1 exchange is a real turn off for me. It looks kinda bad that even Crapsy does not have it listed. If it could be listed on BTC-e that would be amazing, but wouldn't hold my breath.

The database issue needs fixed, but GUI being the big one.
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July 16, 2015, 05:24:35 PM
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I think some issues need fixed first...

1) GUI wallet
2) Exchange support - having everything on 1 exchange is a real turn off for me. It looks kinda bad that even Crapsy does not have it listed. If it could be listed on BTC-e that would be amazing, but wouldn't hold my breath.

The database issue needs fixed, but GUI being the big one.

Regarding 1: I responded to another guy regarding this, will quote myself from another forum:

In addition: https://forum.getmonero.org/1/news-announcements-and-editorials/190/editorial-why-is-the-official-gui-wallet-not-released-yet

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This is from smooth (core team member):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.msg11888169#msg11888169

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There are various pieces that are needed as prerequisites for the GUI including improving the core APIs. That work has been steadily progressing (mostly by oranjuice), but doesn't have a high degree of visibility. It is the kind of nuts-and-bolts work that is absolutely necessary to turn the half-finished prototype we started with into a maintainable project that can thrive for many years.

Getting the DB into a release-ready state has also been considered an effective prerequisite for a useful GUI as well since very few people would ever use a GUI with multi gigabyte RAM requirements.

My expectation is that once the DB is released there will start to be much more visible progress on the GUI.

In addition, some other things (like libraryzing, see -> https://getmonero.org/design-goals/) need to be done before a proper working GUI could be released. It wouldn't make sense to release it in bits, because it wouldn't properly function then.

Furthermore, the design is already finished and is easily wired up when the preceeding fundamentals are completed.

So in conclusion, we have to be patient for a little longer Wink



Regarding 2: I concur with you, however in the upcoming months 3 fiat <-> XMR will come online (one of them is very close to release). Furthermore, Cryptsy said they would add XMR with their revamp, which has an ETA of 1 September. Ofcourse most of this is currently speculation, but it gives some hope that in the foreseeable future the share of Poloniex (volumewise) will dilute.

Regarding bolded part (DB): A new tagged version, which will include the database, is close to release. NoodleDoodle did a lot of work in order to optimize the performance of the DB, see this commit for example -> https://github.com/NoodleDoodleNoodleDoodleNoodleDoodleNoo/bitmonero/commit/4de799e1a84f1b88b95b580a6abfa95dfeec547a

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July 16, 2015, 07:16:23 PM
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you have been marketing for 1 year now with your relentless hateful spam

It is not marketing what we are doing here.
Monero will attract crypto virgins with piles of fiat money.
Bitcoiners who are smart enough have joined in already, more or less. It is time to look for people who are not even aware of crypto and introduce Monero to them as the best coin ever made.

Partially disagree.

Yes, the smart (olde-tyme Bitcoiner) money is to a large extent already properly (cautiously) diversified into XMR.

But it's not yet time to approach crypto-virgins (IE dumb money).

One, because we need more tutorials, tutors, ambassadors, fiat portals, GUIs, etc. to lower the barriers to entry and learning curve.

Two, because we shouldn't skip the middle step between smart money and dumb money, which is hot money.  The hot money in Bitcoin (and Litecoin) isn't remotely aware XMR exists.  And we don't have the vehicles like GBTC/BTC-E/BTC38 needed to absorb it.

Three, dumb money follows hot money.  Once we get hot money aboard, they will do the dumb money marketing for us (so they can take their profits thanks to ostensibly greater fools).


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July 16, 2015, 07:37:55 PM
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you have been marketing for 1 year now with your relentless hateful spam

It is not marketing what we are doing here.
Monero will attract crypto virgins with piles of fiat money.
Bitcoiners who are smart enough have joined in already, more or less. It is time to look for people who are not even aware of crypto and introduce Monero to them as the best coin ever made.

Partially disagree.

Yes, the smart (olde-tyme Bitcoiner) money is already to a large extent already properly (cautiously) diversified into XMR.

But it's not yet time to approach crypto-virgins (IE dumb money).

One, because we need more tutorials, tutors, ambassadors, fiat portals, GUIs, etc. to lower the barriers to entry and learning curve.

Two, because we shouldn't skip the middle step between smart money and dumb money, which is hot money.  The hot money in Bitcoin (and Litecoin) isn't remotely aware XMR exists.  And we don't have the vehicles like GBTC/BTC-E/BTC38 needed to absorb it.

Three, the dumb money follows the hot money.  Once we get the hot money aboard, they will do the dumb money marketing for us (so they can take their profits thanks to ostensibly greater fools).

Keep contacting the exchanges you just quoted. For the less tech savvy exchanges like Cryptsy we should have an XMR dev help them get set up
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July 16, 2015, 09:17:25 PM
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I agree with the general idea behind icebreakers post. Monero isn't ready for a widespread marketing push yet.

However, I have no problem with making it easily accessible to those with technical know-how and an interest in learning, but merely lack English as their primary language. To that end, let's keep up with the translations in addition to the core dev work that is already underway.

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July 16, 2015, 09:38:13 PM
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I have no problem with making it easily accessible to those with technical know-how and an interest in learning, but merely lack English as their primary language. To that end, let's keep up with the translations in addition to the core dev work that is already underway.

So far I think every single community member can agree on this. Crowdfunding campaigns to pay for translations into multiple languages seems to be helping
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July 16, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
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We can launch a wallet branded "Monero Official GUI". That would do the trick.

Give it that title, but keep it as a CLI Cheesy

And transactions must be constructed using Edlin.   Cheesy


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July 17, 2015, 03:29:02 AM
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I agree with the general idea behind icebreakers post. Monero isn't ready for a widespread marketing push yet.

However, I have no problem with making it easily accessible to those with technical know-how and an interest in learning, but merely lack English as their primary language. To that end, let's keep up with the translations in addition to the core dev work that is already underway.

there are windows users who might have the technical know-how in general.... but compiling yourself is another story... lacking english is not the problem... just give everythign its time and dont over hesitate
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July 17, 2015, 10:02:30 AM
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I am getting an increasing feeling that there is only one person with tor involved in XMR, which would make it the biggest scam in the history of mankind

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July 17, 2015, 12:13:24 PM
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I am getting an increasing feeling that there is only one person with tor involved in XMR, which would make it the biggest scam in the history of mankind

I am getting an increasing feeling that there is only one troll bashing Monero with many alter egos, which would make the Monero trolling the biggest scam in the history of mankind.
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July 17, 2015, 12:27:18 PM
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I am getting an increasing feeling that there is only one person with tor involved in XMR, which would make it the biggest scam in the history of mankind

Give me what you are smoking buddy Roll Eyes
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July 17, 2015, 12:42:54 PM
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I am getting an increasing feeling that there is only one person with tor involved in XMR, which would make it the biggest scam in the history of mankind

Funny. I get this feeling that people make vague unsubstantiated claims without any evidence whatsoever. Like, maybe Bryan Williams is behind XMR and is just wearing a mask when he poses as the various Monero developers. Dude...do you filter anything or is just stream of consciousness from brain to keyboard?


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July 17, 2015, 01:17:47 PM
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If you talk about FUD on a monero thread, you are highly delusional

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July 17, 2015, 01:18:50 PM
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I am getting an increasing feeling that there is only one person with tor involved in XMR, which would make it the biggest scam in the history of mankind

Give me what you are smoking buddy Roll Eyes

Go to monerotalk.org please

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