Already delays in BFL shipment plans?

[Bogart]

Hello BFL,

I can sort of understand that you wait for your ASICs (because your Asian fab screwed you over, or whatever). But what I don't understand is all the other delays.

E.g. BFL_Jody wrote yesterday: "Although we have not been able to move into our new facility yet, the storeroom there is filling up fast with the new parts".
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/52-christmas-vacation-may-not-happen.html#comment364

I mean you guys intended to move to new premises since ages now.

Is the excuse for this again the unusual long Chinese holiday?

Jeez, next you're going to whine about how they've resold the 'high speed equipment' they bought via ebay!

You mean the equipment they claimed was "currently being installed in our new facility", on October 4th?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/120-bfl-invests-assembly-equipment.html

 

[michaelmclees]

It is just more BFL optimismspeak.

BFL wins pick and place machine on eBay - "Hey guys, currently installing pick and place machine!"

[thebaron]

So, late spring at this point? lol

[AndrewBUD]

So, late spring at this point? lol

That would be early IMO

[smoothie]

You mean the equipment they claimed was "currently being installed in our new facility", on October 4th?

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/120-bfl-invests-assembly-equipment.html

 

It is just more BFL optimismspeak.

BFL wins pick and place machine on eBay - "Hey guys, currently installing pick and place machine!"

As an absurdist, I love this level of epistemological paranoia that BFL has created through their psyops.  I have a feeling someone may have been a radioman in South Korea at some time in the past.

How big was your preorder?

LOL

[Starlightbreaker]

So, late spring at this point? lol

try "summer 2013"

[modrobert]

I think it would be easier for everyone if BFL just announced an ETA date ('E' as in "Estimated") when the first batch will be ready to ship, instead of: "While I can't give a hard date and say 'absolutely' this is the date, it looks like the week of the 11th, but that's the 'fuzzy' date I have at the moment and I'm waiting on confirmation on a not-fuzzy date from the foundry right now."

"Week of the 11th"...Hmm, ok, which month is that (or year even)?

If there are more delays, then just set a new ETA date, anything is better than this "fuzzy" crap.

[Badonkadonk]

but he did!
ETA: "the week of the 11th!

reading is hard mkay!

[modrobert]

reading is hard mkay!

Yes, apparently, since you failed to read all of my post. So, we can expect ETA in January then, in the week of the 11th.

[Badonkadonk]

reading is hard mkay!

Yes, apparently, since you failed to read all of my post. So, we can expect ETA in January then, in the week of the 11th.

fail on sarkasm much? lol

[modrobert]

reading is hard mkay!

Yes, apparently, since you failed to read all of my post. So, we can expect ETA in January then, in the week of the 11th.

fail on sarkasm much? lol

Ditto, or did you really think it would be January?

[Badonkadonk]

reading is hard mkay!

Yes, apparently, since you failed to read all of my post. So, we can expect ETA in January then, in the week of the 11th.

fail on sarkasm much? lol

Ditto, or did you really think it would be January?

did i say something about january?
or do you just like pulling shit out of your ass?

what i think is that they are working on getting the asics done, same as the other companys that are trying to get there products out.
it might take a few weeks, it might take a year for all i know.
but im not going to look at dates the companys set as "estimated for delivery" and go mental when they are not done by then.
cause well, its estimated

[modrobert]

it might take a few weeks, it might take a year for all i know.

My point is that BFL should give a date, since they are designing the product, then we don't have to guess like you just did. Even if they don't know for certain, I bet they still know more than the rest of us.

[creativex]

what i think is that they are working on getting the asics done, same as the other companys that are trying to get there products out.
it might take a few weeks, it might take a year for all i know.
but im not going to look at dates the companys set as "estimated for delivery" and go mental when they are not done by then.
cause well, its estimated

So, what if a company were using your understanding nature to spit out estimated shipping dates that were unacheivable, but that kept you strung along? For instance they could announce a shipping date of October early in the year to ramp up enthusiasm and pre-order $$$, then as October approached they could continuously push that back by a few weeks at a time to keep you from cancelling. Said company might actually ship in February or March of the following year, after their competitors, but might be able to capture a much larger portion of the market than they would have had they been forthcoming with their production schedule. That would suck right...if such a company existed?

My point is that BFL should give a date, since they are designing the product, then we don't have to guess like you just did. Even if they don't know for certain, I bet they still know more than the rest of us.

Course they know more than they're saying, but if they told you what they knew you'd likely cancel and demand a refund.

[modrobert]

Course they know more than they're saying, but if they told you what they knew you'd likely cancel and demand a refund.

Yes, perhaps if you only think about short term profits, and don't care about the reputation of the company. I for one gladly take any truth over bullshit though, stalling as a sales tactic to keep pre-orders would just make me more inclined to cancel.

[michaelmclees]

I think you're in the minority.  The calculation people are making is this...

Order = Company you think will ship first

That's the whole game.  Whoever gets the hardware first wins.  No prizes for second place.  Whether or not the company is reputable only factors in indirectly, changing whether no not you can trust BFL's December date over Tom's mid-January date.

[creativex]

I think Avalon is actually ahead of everyone else at this point with their first pre-order. They may well ship first, followed by bASIC and then BFL.

[ewhenn]

Meanwhile my GPUs march on...

ASICs, the Duke Nukem forever of bitcoin.

[Cluster2k]

BFL should update its FAQ page.  It still states preorders are due to begin shipping late November or early December.

[creativex]

Yeah, they should update it to early March and get ahead of the curve.