4Grinz Bitcoin Casino Official Thread

[dooglus]

Not all sure about proof of fair, will this make it if I can win more often 

actually not, i have played those provably fair slots, and I busted very soon, I think those shit slots have 10%-20% house edge, those non-provably fair slots of famous providers have 2%-7% house edge, much lower than those provably fair slots, provably fair slots just can show you the fairness, don't give your profits, which ones do you like? 

You can calculate the house edge of a provably fair slot. They're usually between 1% and 2%.

You can't calculate the house edge of a non-provably fair slot. You have to take the provider's word for it.

My point wasn't that these games are prettier, faster, more fun. My point was that at least 5 provably fair slots *exist* despite OP's claims.

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[fox19891989]

Not all sure about proof of fair, will this make it if I can win more often 

actually not, i have played those provably fair slots, and I busted very soon, I think those shit slots have 10%-20% house edge, those non-provably fair slots of famous providers have 2%-7% house edge, much lower than those provably fair slots, provably fair slots just can show you the fairness, don't give your profits, which ones do you like? 

You can calculate the house edge of a provably fair slot. They're usually between 1% and 2%.

You can't calculate the house edge of a non-provably fair slot. You have to take the provider's word for it.

My point wasn't that these games are prettier, faster, more fun. My point was that at least 5 provably fair slots *exist* despite OP's claims.

Aha, I know your point, but my point is that people prefer playing funny, famous slots, although they are not provably fair cause in fiat world, casinos and players don't care about provably fair.

Btw, Are you really sure those provably fair slots have 1%-2% house edge? In real play, it is very very easy to bust the bankroll if play those slots.

On the contrary, the slots of big providers have prove their transparency since every big fiat casinos have those games, free spin, bonus round and huge jackpot are much better than provably fair slots.

[arallmuus]

Aha, I know your point, but my point is that people prefer playing funny, famous slots, although they are not provably fair cause in fiat world, casinos and players don't care about provably fair

Irony , people dont care about things being fair or not however this is irrelevant because this site isnt solely a fiat casino

On the contrary, the slots of big providers have prove their transparency

Transparency of what? There isnt any transparency apart from a shiny badges to flash that the game is provided by the XYZ game provider. Having a freespin, bonus rounds and big jackpot isnt a transparency either because in the end it will depends on the bankroll of the site.  This isnt a true fairness at all btw

are much better than provably fair slots.

The disability of proving if your game is fair or not isnt the true fairness. True fairness is when you can verify the bet of your own not because of being told that this game is fair because there are alot of people that has played it or alot of sites that use it.

[dooglus]

Not all sure about proof of fair, will this make it if I can win more often 

actually not, i have played those provably fair slots, and I busted very soon, I think those shit slots have 10%-20% house edge, those non-provably fair slots of famous providers have 2%-7% house edge, much lower than those provably fair slots, provably fair slots just can show you the fairness, don't give your profits, which ones do you like? 

You can calculate the house edge of a provably fair slot. They're usually between 1% and 2%.

You can't calculate the house edge of a non-provably fair slot. You have to take the provider's word for it.

My point wasn't that these games are prettier, faster, more fun. My point was that at least 5 provably fair slots *exist* despite OP's claims.

Aha, I know your point, but my point is that people prefer playing funny, famous slots, although they are not provably fair cause in fiat world, casinos and players don't care about provably fair.

Try to follow:

OP was asked why his slots aren't provably fair.

He replied that it isn't possible to make provably fair slots games.

I countered by showing him 5 examples of provably fair slots games.

So now what is the reason?

Your argument that provably fair slots games are boring is moot, because provable fairness is independent of other features. So provable fairness could be added to a funny, famous slots game. So long as it actually was a fair game, and not cheating.

Btw, Are you really sure those provably fair slots have 1%-2% house edge? In real play, it is very very easy to bust the bankroll if play those slots.

Which of them have you played? As I say, it is possible to calculate the house edge.

On the contrary, the slots of big providers have prove their transparency since every big fiat casinos have those games, free spin, bonus round and huge jackpot are much better than provably fair slots.

Transparency isn't the same thing as popularity. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there. You seem to have a bunch of unexpressed incorrect assumptions. Maybe all provably fair games are boring so far, but if so that's because nobody with the required skill to make an engaging game has made their game provably fair. That's not the fault of the technology.

[checkitout]

I think I understand where 4Grinz misunderstanding is coming from. It looks like they only use the large providers ie. Endorphina, BetSoft, Play'n'Go etc. The reason that they are saying that their slots are not provably fair is because the big providers do not offer this option at all because they don't need to AND it would be really hard to. They are independently tested as they said etc.This was also confusing to me because I have played on Betchain in the past and saw some of the same games.I reached out to them because the "cool" "fun" games that fox mentioned did not have the option to test and it looks like they are playing dumb because they are projecting themselves as provably fair casino when in reality I think that most of their revenue will slowly change to the "cool""fun" games. Here is my ticket:
http://imgur.com/gallery/eIOKPyw/new

So in the end I feel like this goes back to Fox's comment. Most major online casinos have been trusting these providers for years. I do not think that any of the casino's offering these games would even be able to modify the spin as the feed comes straight from the provider. If you think you have the math skills I would love for someone to break down the variable options on a game like "who spun it"https://www.betchain.com/games/betsoftgaming/375  Either way this really has nothing to do with the 4Grinz main info feed. I am suggesting a new thread on this where everyone can weigh in.
 

[RHavar]

I do not think that any of the casino's offering these games would even be able to modify the spin as the feed comes straight from the provider.

Assuming we trust the provider, how can we verify that the value they use is really from the provider?

[checkitout]

Because you are actually playing on the providers platform NOT the casino's. I do not think the casino can actually change or even access the game while it is running.Its basically an API.

Here you go:
http://www.softswiss.com/software/
http://www.softswiss.com/company-news/softswiss-certified-by-itech-labs/

[shitaifan2013]

Because you are actually playing on the providers platform NOT the casino's. I do not think the casino can actually change or even access the game while it is running.Its basically an API.

Here you go:
http://www.softswiss.com/software/
http://www.softswiss.com/company-news/softswiss-certified-by-itech-labs/

softswiss can be provably fair, thanks to dean

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=910134.msg12006904#msg12006904

[checkitout]

Right. This goes back to my conversation with Betchain as well. Baccarat, Aztec Magic etc are all available on their site (30 or so) as provable fair as well. HOWEVER THEY SUCK and are really boring one dimensional games. On the flip side as Dean is actively advertising his casino for sale I can see the need to expand beyond dice. The big providers that have the really interactive games have not moved on this issue.Maybe we should reach out and ask them why.I'll email softswiss and ask direct. Maybe others could reach out to the providers as well.

Here is yet another example
https://www.bitcoinpenguin.com/system/comfy/cms/files/files/000/000/040/original/Bitcoinpenguin_RNG_Certificate_26062014_1.pdf

I would go out on a limb and say that these guys are relatively large despite being new. They actively advertise on their main page www.bitcoinpenguin.com that they are provably fair and to prove it show the exact same itech certificate that 4grinz was talking about from coingaming

In reality the same games that pocket rockets has hand selected are really the only ones that have this option. Everything else is based on this certificate and again are exponentially more fun to play.
It can also be seen with the providers (same) at places like unibet ($300 million per year revenue)
https://www.unibet.co.uk/terms#section-12

and

bovada formerly bodog
https://poker.bovada.lv/get-started/poker-security

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[bajing]

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how wagered needed before balance able to withdraw? it's safe because i dont see buton logout, that's mean i dont need logout, it's automatic maybe

[fox19891989]

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how wagered needed before balance able to withdraw? it's safe because i dont see buton logout, that's mean i dont need logout, it's automatic maybe

rollover is 30X I remember, it means that you need to wager 30X10mbtc = 300mbtc, rollover is lower than standard 35X-50X industry rollover, we can try our luck here.

[4Grinz.com]

Hi Bajing ! Hey Fox19891989.!! good to see you!!

Yes the rollover is 30 times a bit lower than most, which im pretty sure has the competition grinding a lil teeth... =)

The logout option is on the Menu button right in the middle , you go all the way down. =)

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[FanEagle]

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