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August 05, 2015, 11:53:16 PM
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taxing is pretty crazy if you think about it.

but whats worse then taxing is annual increase of inflation increase lets say 2%, that means you pay 2% more then previous year.. let that water you paid for is now $2.50 back when you paid $1 for.

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August 06, 2015, 12:17:25 AM
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last time I checked the tax money goes back into the banks pockets. so yeah it is robbery regardless how someone says its not.

I mean yeah we pay our taxes to IRS which then sends to the treasurey, but the treasury forwards that money also back to the fed reserve.

And when the banks need more money, they just ask for the fed help..

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August 06, 2015, 12:22:20 AM
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Yeah, I hate it when thieves break into my house, steal my money; then use it to build roads to nowhere, pay firefighters to sit around all day , and educate brainwash my kids. Fricken thieves.

FTFY  Grin

and to help fund endless nonsensical wars.

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August 06, 2015, 12:25:06 AM
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last time I checked the tax money goes back into the banks pockets. so yeah it is robbery regardless how someone says its not.

I mean yeah we pay our taxes to IRS which then sends to the treasurey, but the treasury forwards that money also back to the fed reserve.

And when the banks need more money, they just ask for the fed help..

this ^ sums it up nicely

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August 06, 2015, 12:29:12 AM
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this video explains where your taxes go : --------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

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August 06, 2015, 01:25:13 AM
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Yeah, I hate it when thieves break into my house, steal my money; then use it to build roads, pay firefighters, and educate my kids. Fricken thieves.

I sense the sarcasm.

But most of that money we dont really get to see how effective our money goes into that route. I wish there was some progress report or a universal meter everyone can see on how a state tax is being used or something.

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Yeah, I hate it when thieves break into my house, steal my money; then use it to build roads, pay firefighters, and educate my kids. Fricken thieves.

I sense the sarcasm.

But most of that money we dont really get to see how effective our money goes into that route. I wish there was some progress report or a universal meter everyone can see on how a state tax is being used or something.

I sense it too, but the statement is largely how I see it. Maybe add war, destruction of the creative powers of capitalism, the creation of schisms, shame, guilt, insecurity and hate.

It just dawned upon me: The comedians of the day are good to find contradictions, to make us laugh of the absurdities - but they stop there, they never follow up with the necessary questions to find the root cause, and the truth. Try to figure it out. The thieves you talk about, are just thieves.



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August 06, 2015, 01:42:07 AM
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Yeah, I hate it when thieves break into my house, steal my money; then use it to build roads, pay firefighters, and educate my kids. Fricken thieves.

I sense the sarcasm.

But most of that money we dont really get to see how effective our money goes into that route. I wish there was some progress report or a universal meter everyone can see on how a state tax is being used or something.

Although there have been questions about how efficiently tax money is spent, the sentiments of his post are accurate. Taxation is necessary, giving up percentages of our wealth may not be fun, but otherwise, there would be insufficient funds for things like public utilties, as well as national defense. Volunteers in an ancap society would not be nearly a large enough entity to replace a government figure that develops the society.
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Not really, a poor person depends on those being paid.
You can't think correctly and make decent decision making if your basic need are not meet.
Therefore, only the rich should pay taxes so the poor can save money and actually try to generate wealth and improve their lives. The poor will not magically stop being poor if no one pays taxes, some help is always needed for most. Low-middle class should be tax free, the super rich should pay the taxes because your life is going to be as good with 50 or 100 millions. Someone's life is going to go from bearable to absolute shit if you go from 1200 to 600 euro, so to speak.

So how do you define rich, poor, and middle class?

I agree, $50 or $100 Million means you'll have a nice life and the degree to which you can spend and enjoy the "finer things" would be almost unnoticeable. In reality rich people are rich because they're smart with their money, understand business and re-invest a lot of it to create even more wealth for society. Huge net worth doesn't necessarily mean you have $50 Billion in USD in the bank. It means if you liquidate all of your assets you'd have that much. I'd argue most of it is money that is tied up in investments, so please don't think rick people simply have hoards and hoards of cash that they're just sitting on and therefore the government should steal it and "share the wealth".

Nobody is against helping the poor, but that's what charity and other voluntary programs are for. Voluntarily giving money to poor people is an act of good will, having it forcibly taken from people and given to the poor is no longer good will, it's just theft.

If you are in favor government wealth redistribution, then I'll assume you believe in Democracy. Democracy is championed as "the will of the people" due to the electoral process. If it is truly a reflection of people's will, then please explain how the people's will is any different if you remove the voting process. The people's will, in this case, to help the poor would still remain. Or do you really think we elect a group of infallible angels into government and they know better than us on where to spend our money?

Taxes are simply people's desire to tell others what they think others should do with their property (money). Please stop confusing a person's desire to be free from coercive taxation as not wanting to help the poor.

I do understand that some rich people are rich from stealing and playing the system. That's something that would also be minimized if we abolished taxes and returned to sound money!
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August 06, 2015, 09:58:35 AM
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Yeah, I hate it when thieves break into my house, steal my money; then use it to build roads, pay firefighters, and educate my kids. Fricken thieves.

I sense the sarcasm.

But most of that money we dont really get to see how effective our money goes into that route. I wish there was some progress report or a universal meter everyone can see on how a state tax is being used or something.

Although there have been questions about how efficiently tax money is spent, the sentiments of his post are accurate. Taxation is necessary, giving up percentages of our wealth may not be fun, but otherwise, there would be insufficient funds for things like public utilties, as well as national defense. Volunteers in an ancap society would not be nearly a large enough entity to replace a government figure that develops the society.

Yes, taxes should always be considered as an investment in the future for a better tomorrow, I see a lot of new infrastructure and technology at places I have been. When I first went to Delhi, India, it was nothing but a big crowded market. Now there are metros and huge buildings, great organizations and decent people. Same goes for Greece, I had an amazing vacation there before, and hearing how its a mess now breaks my heart. Taxes are important, not only for the people we live with, but for us too.
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August 06, 2015, 12:06:06 PM
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We can protest to governments if they really dont using it for infrastructures in our country, but if they really do, then why should we angry. We always using those infrastructures everyday.

Consider a river through a town.  Is it good for the government to build a bridge over that river?  If so, is it good to build a second bridge a few kilometers further down?  How about building hundreds of bridges over the same river, evenly spaced over 10km?

Is there some density of bridges, some tax burden past which you would be unhappy with government infrastructure projects?

What if, instead of spending $3000 in a year to have your child educated well, $6000 is taxed from you and used to educated your child poorly?  Would this not anger you?

But if you really want to avoid any high taxes, you may read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates   You could move to lower taxes country and you can feel what the difference between high taxes country with low one.

Correlation does not imply causation.


Taxes is not wrong, but the government is. Every country have the different government with its policies to grow their country. There are many country that take high taxes from you and they dont use it well. But there also many country that take high taxes and use it for free education tuition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_education
http://www.scholars4dev.com/4031/list-of-european-countries-with-tuition-freelow-tuition-universities-colleges/

Do you know how that could happened? Because of the taxes.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2014/10/03/there-is-not-such-thing-as-a-free-college-education/
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August 06, 2015, 12:15:12 PM
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Yeah, I hate it when thieves break into my house, steal my money; then use it to build roads, pay firefighters, and educate my kids. Fricken thieves.

I sense the sarcasm.

But most of that money we dont really get to see how effective our money goes into that route. I wish there was some progress report or a universal meter everyone can see on how a state tax is being used or something.

Although there have been questions about how efficiently tax money is spent, the sentiments of his post are accurate. Taxation is necessary, giving up percentages of our wealth may not be fun, but otherwise, there would be insufficient funds for things like public utilties, as well as national defense. Volunteers in an ancap society would not be nearly a large enough entity to replace a government figure that develops the society.

Yes, taxes should always be considered as an investment in the future for a better tomorrow, I see a lot of new infrastructure and technology at places I have been. When I first went to Delhi, India, it was nothing but a big crowded market. Now there are metros and huge buildings, great organizations and decent people. Same goes for Greece, I had an amazing vacation there before, and hearing how its a mess now breaks my heart. Taxes are important, not only for the people we live with, but for us too.
True, as long as the governments aren't spending money on failed projects and oppression. When I pay taxes I want to see streets and parks in good condition, reliable infrastructure and services. I don't want my money to be spent on raises for government officials and new, more luxurious government buildings. I want to see the police chasing criminals and not drunkards or kids smoking weed. That's what it's all about.

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August 06, 2015, 12:27:57 PM
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Yeah, I hate it when thieves break into my house, steal my money; then use it to build roads, pay firefighters, and educate my kids. Fricken thieves.

I sense the sarcasm.

But most of that money we dont really get to see how effective our money goes into that route. I wish there was some progress report or a universal meter everyone can see on how a state tax is being used or something.

Although there have been questions about how efficiently tax money is spent, the sentiments of his post are accurate. Taxation is necessary, giving up percentages of our wealth may not be fun, but otherwise, there would be insufficient funds for things like public utilties, as well as national defense. Volunteers in an ancap society would not be nearly a large enough entity to replace a government figure that develops the society.

Yes, taxes should always be considered as an investment in the future for a better tomorrow, I see a lot of new infrastructure and technology at places I have been. When I first went to Delhi, India, it was nothing but a big crowded market. Now there are metros and huge buildings, great organizations and decent people. Same goes for Greece, I had an amazing vacation there before, and hearing how its a mess now breaks my heart. Taxes are important, not only for the people we live with, but for us too.
True, as long as the governments aren't spending money on failed projects and oppression. When I pay taxes I want to see streets and parks in good condition, reliable infrastructure and services. I don't want my money to be spent on raises for government officials and new, more luxurious government buildings. I want to see the police chasing criminals and not drunkards or kids smoking weed. That's what it's all about.

When we pay a part of our hard earned money, all we expect is for it to be used wisely and not wasted carelessly, that is the point stargazer is making, right? The most terrible thing is that there is no transparency, but if transparency is forced, people will then debate authority and force their funds to be used only at things,places,areas,etc which concern to them.
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August 06, 2015, 12:32:24 PM
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Yeah, I hate it when thieves break into my house, steal my money; then use it to build roads, pay firefighters, and educate my kids. Fricken thieves.

I sense the sarcasm.

But most of that money we dont really get to see how effective our money goes into that route. I wish there was some progress report or a universal meter everyone can see on how a state tax is being used or something.

Although there have been questions about how efficiently tax money is spent, the sentiments of his post are accurate. Taxation is necessary, giving up percentages of our wealth may not be fun, but otherwise, there would be insufficient funds for things like public utilties, as well as national defense. Volunteers in an ancap society would not be nearly a large enough entity to replace a government figure that develops the society.

Yes, taxes should always be considered as an investment in the future for a better tomorrow, I see a lot of new infrastructure and technology at places I have been. When I first went to Delhi, India, it was nothing but a big crowded market. Now there are metros and huge buildings, great organizations and decent people. Same goes for Greece, I had an amazing vacation there before, and hearing how its a mess now breaks my heart. Taxes are important, not only for the people we live with, but for us too.
True, as long as the governments aren't spending money on failed projects and oppression. When I pay taxes I want to see streets and parks in good condition, reliable infrastructure and services. I don't want my money to be spent on raises for government officials and new, more luxurious government buildings. I want to see the police chasing criminals and not drunkards or kids smoking weed. That's what it's all about.

When we pay a part of our hard earned money, all we expect is for it to be used wisely and not wasted carelessly, that is the point stargazer is making, right? The most terrible thing is that there is no transparency, but if transparency is forced, people will then debate authority and force their funds to be used only at things,places,areas,etc which concern to them.

And we are in the midst of the "most transparent administration ever".  Yeah right, thats the biggest lie 0bummas ever told, and he's told a LOT.

Anyway, look at some of the CIA programs that have recently become declassified, mind control experiments at mental hospitals, LSD experiments in the 60's, etc.  THIS is the kind of stuff that makes taxation akin to robbery, gvt should NOT be spending your hard earned money on these things.
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August 06, 2015, 12:56:01 PM
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Yeah, I hate it when thieves break into my house, steal my money; then use it to build roads, pay firefighters, and educate my kids. Fricken thieves.

I sense the sarcasm.

But most of that money we dont really get to see how effective our money goes into that route. I wish there was some progress report or a universal meter everyone can see on how a state tax is being used or something.

Although there have been questions about how efficiently tax money is spent, the sentiments of his post are accurate. Taxation is necessary, giving up percentages of our wealth may not be fun, but otherwise, there would be insufficient funds for things like public utilties, as well as national defense. Volunteers in an ancap society would not be nearly a large enough entity to replace a government figure that develops the society.

Yes, taxes should always be considered as an investment in the future for a better tomorrow, I see a lot of new infrastructure and technology at places I have been. When I first went to Delhi, India, it was nothing but a big crowded market. Now there are metros and huge buildings, great organizations and decent people. Same goes for Greece, I had an amazing vacation there before, and hearing how its a mess now breaks my heart. Taxes are important, not only for the people we live with, but for us too.
True, as long as the governments aren't spending money on failed projects and oppression. When I pay taxes I want to see streets and parks in good condition, reliable infrastructure and services. I don't want my money to be spent on raises for government officials and new, more luxurious government buildings. I want to see the police chasing criminals and not drunkards or kids smoking weed. That's what it's all about.

When we pay a part of our hard earned money, all we expect is for it to be used wisely and not wasted carelessly, that is the point stargazer is making, right? The most terrible thing is that there is no transparency, but if transparency is forced, people will then debate authority and force their funds to be used only at things,places,areas,etc which concern to them.

And we are in the midst of the "most transparent administration ever".  Yeah right, thats the biggest lie 0bummas ever told, and he's told a LOT.

Anyway, look at some of the CIA programs that have recently become declassified, mind control experiments at mental hospitals, LSD experiments in the 60's, etc.  THIS is the kind of stuff that makes taxation akin to robbery, gvt should NOT be spending your hard earned money on these things.

Yeah man, I have also seen the dark side of the internet where such things were revealed and things seemed pretty graphic too. Why would a government invest tons of money in programs which research on mind control experiments, how do people expect us to believe in democracy where they're just a bunch of people who want to control us?!
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August 06, 2015, 02:37:47 PM
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And we are in the midst of the "most transparent administration ever".  Yeah right, thats the biggest lie 0bummas ever told, and he's told a LOT.

Anyway, look at some of the CIA programs that have recently become declassified, mind control experiments at mental hospitals, LSD experiments in the 60's, etc.  THIS is the kind of stuff that makes taxation akin to robbery, gvt should NOT be spending your hard earned money on these things.

Yeah man, I have also seen the dark side of the internet where such things were revealed and things seemed pretty graphic too. Why would a government invest tons of money in programs which research on mind control experiments, how do people expect us to believe in democracy where they're just a bunch of people who want to control us?!

and the craziest thing is that it's all declassified now due to the FOIA.  Just a few years ago you could find the info in the corners of the web, but now the actual gvt documents and records of the human experiments are out there.

Look at the death rates at the hospitals where the CIA was doing this stuff, it spikes way up while they were there, and goes back down when they leave.  And the scariest thing is they were doign these with the intent that those experimented on wouldn't have a memory of it, adn that they could be "triggered" even years down the line...
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August 06, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
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Yup you are right.
They steal our money legally by taxing us.
We can dodge taxes by using bitcoins.
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August 06, 2015, 03:21:39 PM
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Yup you are right.
They steal our money legally by taxing us.
We can dodge taxes by using bitcoins.
How are you going to dodge taxes by using Bitcoin, specifically?
When you buy Bitcoin do you really think that they don't know? of course they do, they will be suspicious that you are sending money to some weirdly located exchange, and exchanges nowadays need a lot of verifications.
Even if you used LocalBitcoins, the bank movements are there and can raise eyebrows. Anything that has to do with fiat transactions they know.
The ONLY way to securely avoid taxes is being paid under the table in Bitcoin, and NEVER cashing out. I can't think of a single way to do this. Signature campaigns pay nothing for example, you make more flipping burgers. So can't think of any other way to make the money without depending on the fiat system, showing credentials etc.
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August 06, 2015, 03:45:03 PM
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Yup you are right.
They steal our money legally by taxing us.
We can dodge taxes by using bitcoins.
How are you going to dodge taxes by using Bitcoin, specifically?
When you buy Bitcoin do you really think that they don't know? of course they do, they will be suspicious that you are sending money to some weirdly located exchange, and exchanges nowadays need a lot of verifications.
Even if you used LocalBitcoins, the bank movements are there and can raise eyebrows. Anything that has to do with fiat transactions they know.
The ONLY way to securely avoid taxes is being paid under the table in Bitcoin, and NEVER cashing out. I can't think of a single way to do this. Signature campaigns pay nothing for example, you make more flipping burgers. So can't think of any other way to make the money without depending on the fiat system, showing credentials etc.

yes, the only way you can dodge taxes is by getting paid strictly in bitcoins and never exchanging them for dollars. Your plan to dodge taxes would seem much more feasible when more services start adopting bitcoin so you could directly make use of your bitcoins rather than exchanging them for dollars or any other currency. However, you must pay taxes for your bitcoins. Bitcoins are capital and if they increase, you need to pay capital increase taxes.
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August 06, 2015, 06:18:41 PM
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Yup you are right.
They steal our money legally by taxing us.
We can dodge taxes by using bitcoins.
How are you going to dodge taxes by using Bitcoin, specifically?
When you buy Bitcoin do you really think that they don't know? of course they do, they will be suspicious that you are sending money to some weirdly located exchange, and exchanges nowadays need a lot of verifications.
Even if you used LocalBitcoins, the bank movements are there and can raise eyebrows. Anything that has to do with fiat transactions they know.
The ONLY way to securely avoid taxes is being paid under the table in Bitcoin, and NEVER cashing out. I can't think of a single way to do this. Signature campaigns pay nothing for example, you make more flipping burgers. So can't think of any other way to make the money without depending on the fiat system, showing credentials etc.

yes, the only way you can dodge taxes is by getting paid strictly in bitcoins and never exchanging them for dollars. Your plan to dodge taxes would seem much more feasible when more services start adopting bitcoin so you could directly make use of your bitcoins rather than exchanging them for dollars or any other currency. However, you must pay taxes for your bitcoins. Bitcoins are capital and if they increase, you need to pay capital increase taxes.

Even then, when you pay with Bitcoins the shop will have your name attached to the transaction in the blockchain. Can't the goverment ask the shop for records of that to start taxing people?
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