The man with no identity

[FirstAscent]

You can be rest assured, that your conversation with your boyfriend last night on the phone will never be listened to by an NSA agent, and even if it was, they will be bored to death by it, and furthermore, from your point of view, you'll never meet the NSA agent in real life, so you have no need to be embarrassed by it.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide, eh?

I'm quite confident that anything I've ever said or done would likely not be of any interest to the scanning algorithms of the NSA. And even if that were the case, if I were to choose to have someone listen to a conversation I had, I'd rather it was some anonymous person in a basement in a desert in Utah whom I will never meet, rather than any friends, family or neighbors or business associates that were not privy to the original conversation. I stand by what I said. And I'm sure that goes for most people, excluding the paranoid delusional types, which are a dime a dozen in this forum.

I'd rather not have anyone listen in on any conversations. Even a computer.

But technology is obviously inevitable. Given that, you're likely to suffer more embarrassment, persecution, fouled relationships, business problems and neighborhood gossip because of technology enabled spying and media leaks (already here and/or coming soon) than you ever will from an NSA operation.

[myrkul]

You can be rest assured, that your conversation with your boyfriend last night on the phone will never be listened to by an NSA agent, and even if it was, they will be bored to death by it, and furthermore, from your point of view, you'll never meet the NSA agent in real life, so you have no need to be embarrassed by it.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide, eh?

I'm quite confident that anything I've ever said or done would likely not be of any interest to the scanning algorithms of the NSA. And even if that were the case, if I were to choose to have someone listen to a conversation I had, I'd rather it was some anonymous person in a basement in a desert in Utah whom I will never meet, rather than any friends, family or neighbors or business associates that were not privy to the original conversation. I stand by what I said. And I'm sure that goes for most people, excluding the paranoid delusional types, which are a dime a dozen in this forum.

I'd rather not have anyone listen in on any conversations. Even a computer.

But technology is obviously inevitable. Given that, you're likely to suffer more embarrassment, persecution, fouled relationships, business problems and neighborhood gossip because of technology enabled spying and media leaks (already here and/or coming soon) than you ever will from an NSA operation.

Technology is inevitable. It's use is not. Only the NSA has reason to spy on everyone.

[FirstAscent]

You can be rest assured, that your conversation with your boyfriend last night on the phone will never be listened to by an NSA agent, and even if it was, they will be bored to death by it, and furthermore, from your point of view, you'll never meet the NSA agent in real life, so you have no need to be embarrassed by it.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide, eh?

I'm quite confident that anything I've ever said or done would likely not be of any interest to the scanning algorithms of the NSA. And even if that were the case, if I were to choose to have someone listen to a conversation I had, I'd rather it was some anonymous person in a basement in a desert in Utah whom I will never meet, rather than any friends, family or neighbors or business associates that were not privy to the original conversation. I stand by what I said. And I'm sure that goes for most people, excluding the paranoid delusional types, which are a dime a dozen in this forum.

I'd rather not have anyone listen in on any conversations. Even a computer.

But technology is obviously inevitable. Given that, you're likely to suffer more embarrassment, persecution, fouled relationships, business problems and neighborhood gossip because of technology enabled spying and media leaks (already here and/or coming soon) than you ever will from an NSA operation.

Technology is inevitable. It's use is not. Only the NSA has reason to spy on everyone.

Exactly. They're trying to protect you from bad things. On the other hand, your neighbors, business associates and other people you know and interact with do not have good reasons to spy on you, and whatever they find out can affect your reputation or well being, unlike the NSA, which has zero effect on you.

[odolvlobo]

I'm quite confident that anything I've ever said or done would likely not be of any interest to the scanning algorithms of the NSA.

That's kind of sad -- believing that nothing you have ever said or done, or will ever say or do, has any value to anyone.

[myrkul]

Only the NSA has reason to spy on everyone.

Exactly. They're trying to protect you from bad things.

Ha! Such naivete. No, son, they're not trying to protect us from bad things. They're trying to protect themselves, largely from us.

[FirstAscent]

I'm quite confident that anything I've ever said or done would likely not be of any interest to the scanning algorithms of the NSA.

That's kind of sad -- believing that nothing you have ever said or done, or will ever say or do, has any value to anyone.

This is why it's so annoying arguing with you boneheads. I mean, your statement does not follow as a consequence of what I stated. Pathetic.

[FirstAscent]

Only the NSA has reason to spy on everyone.

Exactly. They're trying to protect you from bad things.

Ha! Such naivete. No, son, they're not trying to protect us from bad things. They're trying to protect themselves, largely from us.

Themselves? Their phone calls to their friends and family are in there as well. They are us.

[odolvlobo]

I'm quite confident that anything I've ever said or done would likely not be of any interest to the scanning algorithms of the NSA.

That's kind of sad -- believing that nothing you have ever said or done, or will ever say or do, has any value to anyone.

This is why it's so annoying arguing with you boneheads. I mean, your statement does not follow as a consequence of what I stated. Pathetic.

Sorry. I didn't realize we were having an argument. Anyway, since this is an argument, I guess I should respond. While what I wrote was obviously hyperbole, it does follow from your statement, and there is some truth in it

[FirstAscent]

I'm quite confident that anything I've ever said or done would likely not be of any interest to the scanning algorithms of the NSA.

That's kind of sad -- believing that nothing you have ever said or done, or will ever say or do, has any value to anyone.

This is why it's so annoying arguing with you boneheads. I mean, your statement does not follow as a consequence of what I stated. Pathetic.

Sorry. I didn't realize we were having an argument. Anyway, since this is an argument, I guess I should respond. While what I wrote was obviously hyperbole, it does follow from your statement, and there is some truth in it

It doesn't follow in any way at all. But my entire experience of your statements does in fact have zero value.

[myrkul]

Only the NSA has reason to spy on everyone.

Exactly. They're trying to protect you from bad things.

Ha! Such naivete. No, son, they're not trying to protect us from bad things. They're trying to protect themselves, largely from us.

Themselves? Their phone calls to their friends and family are in there as well. They are us.

Can I listen to their calls? No? Then they are not us.

[odolvlobo]

I'm quite confident that anything I've ever said or done would likely not be of any interest to the scanning algorithms of the NSA.

That's kind of sad -- believing that nothing you have ever said or done, or will ever say or do, has any value to anyone.

This is why it's so annoying arguing with you boneheads. I mean, your statement does not follow as a consequence of what I stated. Pathetic.

Sorry. I didn't realize we were having an argument. Anyway, since this is an argument, I guess I should respond. While what I wrote was obviously hyperbole, it does follow from your statement, and there is some truth in it

It doesn't follow in any way at all. But my entire experience of your statements does in fact have zero value.

I think this applies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

[nimda]

FirstAscent, do you poop with the door shut?

[FirstAscent]

FirstAscent, do you poop with the door shut?

I think you missed the whole point.

[myrkul]

FirstAscent, do you poop with the door shut?

I think you missed the whole point.

I think you did.

[FirstAscent]

FirstAscent, do you poop with the door shut?

I think you missed the whole point.

I think you did.

Nope.

[nimda]

FirstAscent, do you poop with the door shut?

I think you missed the whole point.

I think you've evaded my innocent question

[myrkul]

FirstAscent, do you poop with the door shut?

I think you missed the whole point.

I think you did.

Nope.

Yep.

[niko]

You can be rest assured, that your conversation with your boyfriend last night on the phone will never be listened to by an NSA agent, and even if it was, they will be bored to death by it, and furthermore, from your point of view, you'll never meet the NSA agent in real life, so you have no need to be embarrassed by it.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide, eh?

I'm quite confident that anything I've ever said or done would likely not be of any interest to the scanning algorithms of the NSA. And even if that were the case, if I were to choose to have someone listen to a conversation I had, I'd rather it was some anonymous person in a basement in a desert in Utah whom I will never meet, rather than any friends, family or neighbors or business associates that were not privy to the original conversation. I stand by what I said. And I'm sure that goes for most people, excluding the paranoid delusional types, which are a dime a dozen in this forum.

You are missing the point; it's not an issue of somebody having access to your or my emails, location, conversations, and contacts. The issue is one entity having an exclusive acess to everybody's information. Total asymmetry.

What do you think?

[FirstAscent]

You can be rest assured, that your conversation with your boyfriend last night on the phone will never be listened to by an NSA agent, and even if it was, they will be bored to death by it, and furthermore, from your point of view, you'll never meet the NSA agent in real life, so you have no need to be embarrassed by it.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide, eh?

I'm quite confident that anything I've ever said or done would likely not be of any interest to the scanning algorithms of the NSA. And even if that were the case, if I were to choose to have someone listen to a conversation I had, I'd rather it was some anonymous person in a basement in a desert in Utah whom I will never meet, rather than any friends, family or neighbors or business associates that were not privy to the original conversation. I stand by what I said. And I'm sure that goes for most people, excluding the paranoid delusional types, which are a dime a dozen in this forum.

You are missing the point; it's not an issue of somebody having access to your or my emails, location, conversations, and contacts. The issue is one entity having an exclusive acess to everybody's information. Total asymmetry.

What do you think?

I think asymmetry is fine. Like I said, my emails sitting on some harddrives in a secure complex in the Utah desert bothers me much less than my emails being accessible by people I actually live and work with. Seems like a no brainer. I'm not paranoid.

[organofcorti]

FirstAscent, do you poop with the door shut?

Is this a euphemism for something?