Windows 10 and Bitcoin Discussion

[OROBTC]

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I hope that this topic is in the right part of the forum, it's technical and relates to a big risk re Bitcoin.

I have been reading that the new Windows 10 OS has a LOT of privacy-destroying "features", including a rudimentary keystroke logger.  I read that that using it will expose passwords and other sensitive info to Microsoft.

But, what I have read was not at technical blogs or websites!  I did see this item at Reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3grgxn/att_windows_10_serious_threat_to_bitcoin_privacy/

This of course would make use of online wallets risky, but probably hardware wallets (Trezor and Ledger) less so if they were ALREADY setup before Win 10.


I invite comments re Windows 10 and its likely BAD effects on privacy.  Maybe having a computer tech install Win 7, say, after I get my next computer?

(I am not ready for Linux.........)

[lottery248]

keep using windows 7 or 8.
because we are still doubting about the bugs in windows 10.
you won't understand what the bugs will affect your computer if you are not a pro of computing.
using windows 10 will need us to do lots of configuration to prevent privacy failure.
so the bitcoin privacy, even if it is Qt.
i am still using windows 7, at least i am not been affected by windows 10, because that is as easy as windows xp.

avoid using bitcoin wallet if you use windows 10 apparently.

[coinableS]

I unfortunately accepted the windows 8.1 -> 10 upgrade last week. I should have known since it was being offered for free.
While going through the update they tried really hard to get the user to accept these things, they called it something that made you think it would make your computer faster.  The only button option was "continue". I had to look around and find the "advanced" option that was in plain text off to the side, in there I was able to disable a lot of the features then.  Still, I'm sure there's plenty of monitoring going on.

[okae]

I unfortunately accepted the windows 8.1 -> 10 upgrade last week. I should have known since it was being offered for free.
While going through the update they tried really hard to get the user to accept these things, they called it something that made you think it would make your computer faster.  The only button option was "continue". I had to look around and find the "advanced" option that was in plain text off to the side, in there I was able to disable a lot of the features then.  Still, I'm sure there's plenty of monitoring going on.

well you can always come back to win7 and forget about that stupid sh*t of windows 10.

ty for the link http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3grgxn/att_windows_10_serious_threat_to_bitcoin_privacy/ @OROBTC
i didnt know it and i already read the entire thread, if this is true i will seriously considered to change the OS soon or later, the most version of windows they release the worst they does.

[smoothie]

I won't touch windows 10 with a 10'foot pole 

http://localghost.org/posts/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10

[BitUsher]

Privacy within windows 10 can be handled by following these instructions:

https://fix10.isleaked.com/

Here is a script to lock it down as well -
https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking/releases

[HCLivess]

Typical corporate development after Gates left.
There is no longer any vision behind Windows other than enrichment of bosses and corporate greed, same happened with HP.

[BitUsher]

If you want to manually block MSFT within hosts (C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc)

* Keep in mind that your MSFT app store will stop working thus you will want to first download any MSFT apps you want beforehand.

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[BitUsher]

Typical corporate development after Gates left.
There is no longer any vision behind Windows other than enrichment of bosses and corporate greed, same happened with HP.

I have been testing Windows 10 for over a month and its really a great OS. I love open source and Linux but if we were to be honest with ourselves nothing(Arguably OSX , but that has a list of unique problems) beats windows polished UI / Driver and software compatibility(If you avoid half their OS releases). Windows 10 is the next "LTS" that will be here to stay and wildly successful.

keep using windows 7 or 8.
because we are still doubting about the bugs in windows 10.
you won't understand what the bugs will affect your computer if you are not a pro of computing.
using windows 10 will need us to do lots of configuration to prevent privacy failure.
so the bitcoin privacy, even if it is Qt.
i am still using windows 7, at least i am not been affected by windows 10, because that is as easy as windows xp.

avoid using bitcoin wallet if you use windows 10 apparently.

Partial Agreement. It is often a good idea to wait at least 6 months or till the first SP1 update of any new OS release till many bugs get patched for Windows or OSX. Windows 8 is so horrible it is probably a good idea to immediately upgrade to 10, while windows 7 users should wait it out for 6 months.

[giustone]

I use linux after windows 10 for me is the worst operating system.
I want to use Windows for some software but I can't because more bugs and privacy.
I use linux mint 17.2 for bitcoin/altcoin  wallets and windows 7 only for games/software only available on windows.

[toptek]

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I hope that this topic is in the right part of the forum, it's technical and relates to a big risk re Bitcoin.

I have been reading that the new Windows 10 OS has a LOT of privacy-destroying "features", including a rudimentary keystroke logger.  I read that that using it will expose passwords and other sensitive info to Microsoft.

But, what I have read was not at technical blogs or websites!  I did see this item at Reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3grgxn/att_windows_10_serious_threat_to_bitcoin_privacy/

This of course would make use of online wallets risky, but probably hardware wallets (Trezor and Ledger) less so if they were ALREADY setup before Win 10.


I invite comments re Windows 10 and its likely BAD effects on privacy.  Maybe having a computer tech install Win 7, say, after I get my next computer?

(I am not ready for Linux.........)

you can just turn it all off   .  I do .

I don't use UAC i have major issue with using it. to me it's junk . if i can't use edge the i can't use it, i never use the store .

[smoothie]

why does the user have to turn these "features" off?

That is a huge red flag.

[SimonDraken]

I started preview Win 10 long before I had an interest in Bitcoin, so I've had nothing but windows 10 since I joined here, i'm that new.. works great.. that said.. as I understand all the worries and so forth.. yes.. windows 10, has apps which stay in constant communications.. regardless if you turn them off.. however that said.. it isn't key strokes, logging, search patterns, information about the user.. it is.. as I follow , handshaking security between OS for OS.. for you, you, are protecting you... this is my pc, it says it is, it continues all it's handshaking life to continue to say it is.. keep other peoples software under control, cause Microsoft has this.. the rest.. I haven't a clue.. however.. look it up.. read about it.. it's been part of Windows 10 apps and written up in normal communications.. it's snot smoke and mirrors like many seem to fill their conspiracy minds with.. other wise, disregard.. have fun, i'm new.. or you could always go back to Win 7, better yet, convert to any Linux.. go Chrome.. nothings really stopping your choice in OS's

So, you do not want to turn them off for your and that Apps safety and use.. you can, turn off any personal, searching results, advertising.. all that, can and does get turned off.. no problem..

On another note.. how many have their phones or pc's setup for GPS / Location for their Music channel.. anyway.. security is an important matter.. steps made by apps to insure your safe use.. are part of the business norm...

[maokoto]

I have the motto of not changing into a new windows unless it becomes neccesary and the new windows has enough positive reviews.

I changed from XP to 7 about 2 years ago due to it not updating and 7 being fast and secure. And would not change to 8 or 10 while 7 runs smoothly and software do not require it.

As for the security issues, I do not think that microsoft would do anything outrageus if they are spyping us. Never has done it, and his products have been used for years on end.

[newcripto]

I was offered windows 10 for free but luckily I didn't install it.I was thinking to see some feed back and comments then will decide to install it or not.After having read this thread I am not going to install it anymore at least for a period.This offer of free windows was suspicious even from the start.Thanks for sharing very useful information here with us.

[AgentofCoin]

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I have been reading that the new Windows 10 OS has a LOT of privacy-destroying "features", including a rudimentary keystroke logger.  I read that that using it will expose passwords and other sensitive info to Microsoft.
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If this is true, it is completely outrageous.
Thank you for posting since I'm sure many users, such as myself, had no idea.

Microsoft placing a "keystroke logger" of any sort into their OS as a standard process,
is a clear sign that OS's of the future will just be massive data-mining systems.

Looks like everyone needs to go back to Windows 97, lol.

[Racey]

Privacy within windows 10 can be handled by following these instructions:

https://fix10.isleaked.com/

Here is a script to lock it down as well -
https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking/releases

Awesome thanks for the fixes, I can now go ahead and try 10 on another computer.
I am sure it shite though, after all I just want an o/s that works good, not all the bloat that come with it.

[jbrnt]

When windows 7 came out, users complained that the network tray icon doesn't blink to show activity, a freeware utility came out to solve that. Windows 8 didn't have a classic start button, freeware solved that too. So I think the privacy problem will also be solved by a freeware utility soon. Wait a couple of months and someone will release one.

[ajareselde]

There's a fix for that privacy related issues, it has been published before, but things like that should not have happened in the first place.
Personally, i upgraded one of my laptops from 8.1 to 10, and do not think much of the change, it's nothing special by my count.
After seeing the outcome, rest of my computers stay on win7 , that's for sure

cheers

[AgentofCoin]

When windows 7 came out, users complained that the network tray icon doesn't blink to show activity, a freeware utility came out to solve that. Windows 8 didn't have a classic start button, freeware solved that too. So I think the privacy problem will also be solved by a freeware utility soon. Wait a couple of months and someone will release one.

Our concern should not be over computer savvy people such as yourself eventually getting a patch to "block" this.
But for non-savvy future Bitcoin/bitcoin users who are unaware the OS they are using has compromised their wallets upon setup.

Potentially, new users who correctly followed the steps to create a secure "cold wallet",
would be undone just by using the installed OS on their new computer.

The average user does not usually download OS apps to block system processes.