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December 12, 2019, 06:20:23 AM
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So glad this is finally over, I've been getting hate mail for years for writing that post about them on 99Bitcoins. Glad that finally the truth is coming out...

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December 12, 2019, 01:06:01 PM
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So glad this is finally over, I've been getting hate mail for years for writing that post about them on 99Bitcoins. Glad that finally the truth is coming out...

It's not "over" by a long way. The U.S. legal system has thrown a big rock into this cesspool, let's see where the ripples spread.


You did a good job and run one of the few crypto sites that are worth reading.
https://99bitcoins.com/anatomy-bitcoin-scam-bitclub-network-analyzed/

Yes, the threats and hate mail are unfortunately part of the deal, we'll have to meet for a beer and compare notes sometime.
Good luck.


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December 13, 2019, 04:07:34 PM
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I remeber https://99bitcoins.com from the first day.. 

You both guys do a incredible work!

Anyway. Let see where it will hit.. I hope that the BitClub pool power enigma will be finally solved and everyone will finally understand that the amount of BitClub mining power was a lie from the beginning!
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December 17, 2019, 02:12:01 AM
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Btw it is just me or seems like this month a lot of scams are biting the dust? Grin




They're filling up their year end quota lol.

Glad that arrests were made though it could've been a lot sooner. Now all other scammers should know that it's only a matter of time till they too bit the dust.


 Now we can debate if it was a long enough prison term, but the end was never in doubt.

-Dave

Dont think they will spend long though. I reckon 2- 3 years maybe less.

Depends on if they go to trial or settle.
Settle, yeah 2 or 3 years (possibly 4).
Trial, you never know. When you drag everyone through a trial you are really never know how it ends up. Could be 6 months, could be a decade.
More stuff comes out the longer you are in court and most of the time it's not good for the defendant.

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December 19, 2019, 04:30:52 PM
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Btw it is just me or seems like this month a lot of scams are biting the dust? Grin




They're filling up their year end quota lol.

Glad that arrests were made though it could've been a lot sooner. Now all other scammers should know that it's only a matter of time till they too bit the dust.


 Now we can debate if it was a long enough prison term, but the end was never in doubt.

-Dave

Dont think they will spend long though. I reckon 2- 3 years maybe less.

Depends on if they go to trial or settle.
Settle, yeah 2 or 3 years (possibly 4).
Trial, you never know. When you drag everyone through a trial you are really never know how it ends up. Could be 6 months, could be a decade.
More stuff comes out the longer you are in court and most of the time it's not good for the defendant.

-Dave

I hope they will be judged individually, but unfortunately, they will probably be tried together as one scam. I guess that only the main founders will be punished. Those who encourage others should also be punished, but they probably won't. They will take care of the new "project" and will do the same.
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January 18, 2020, 12:53:31 AM
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So, a month on from the arrests of the principal BitClub scammers, an update.

Russ Medlin is still at large, according to the Feds, and
Quote from: Pacer*
is believed to be residing in a country that does not have extradition with the United States, and has access to enormous wealth and two private planes.
This is Russ Medlin



And Jobadiah (Joby) Weeks wants out of pretrial detention. He's looking at 15 to 25 years.
This is Weeks (on the right Wink )



Weeks' main argument for release is that he wasn't really that big a deal in BitClub, just "one of 100's" of foot soldiers kept in the dark etc.etc. and is just a Colorado home boy who poses no flight risk.
The DoJ disagreed and checked out his Colorado "home" address, asked around..

Quote from: Pacer
When law enforcement officers went to Weeks’ purported “home” in Aurora, Colorado on December 10, 2019 they were met not by members of the Weeks family, but instead by several individuals who said that they rarely see Weeks at that residence, that he certainly did not live at that residence, and that he visited the residence only a few times a year.

One of the disadvantages of being a run-your-mouth-off conman like Weeks is that the Internet Never Forgets. (Even when you try to scrub it like Weeks has, successfully in terms of his earlier history. When I was originally, 5 years ago, researching him there was substantial on line information about his priviledged upbringing and his early frauds, including his Ron Paul limo scam. Can't find them, didn't archive them...)

Quote from: Pacer
In the last two years my wife and I have visited 400+ cities and over 100+ countries.
We basically fly around the world on private jets selling machines that print money. Who wouldn’t like to have a machine that prints money?”

Of course, Weeks is politically motivated, not just a thieving, lying amoral fucker. He's a Libertarian...

Quote from: Unused BitClub Press Release, written by Weeks
   
    BitClub pays all of our members around the world daily, tax free.

    Despite what you may have been told, America is, unfortunately, no longer a free country.

    If you are a U.S. CITIZENS [sic] with a SS# (Slave Surveillance Number) Then you may get in trouble with your masters at the IRS for making a bunch of Bitcoin tax free.

    As a precaution, we have decided to block people using ip addressed based in the USA from joining Bitclub.

    We understand U.S. CITIZENS are property and we don’t want any trouble with your owners.

BitClub quickly and publically stated that U.S. citizens should not try to invest with them. (Pseudo compliance).
They were making stealing enough money elsewhere around the world not to tempt fate, but Weeks the ideologue had other advice for would be U.S. based vicitims

Quote from: Pacer
    Investor: I have always been a residence of the US [sic]. How am I supposed to get around this.

    Weeks: United States is Washington DC, Virgin Islands, Guam, Samoa, Puerto Rico. (Do you live there)

    US CITIZENS are corporations that are domiciled in the UNITED STATES. Are you a corporation or are you a human?

    Don’t you live in the Republic of Utah, thats [sic] not THE UNITED STATES? You’re a flesh and blood American right?

Quote from: Pacer
Weeks: We just change our ip addresses to ones outside the USA.

Such a Libertarian that he wanted to "help" Liberland (and make $140m for himself/BitClub)

Quote from: Pacer
October 2017, Weeks emailed several coconspirators regarding his “buddy Vit, The President of Liberland.”

In the email, Weeks pitched an idea by which each of Liberland’s 500,000 “citizens” would pay $5,000 each to become “founding father[]” investors in BitClub Network and all existing BitClub Network members would be granted Liberland citizenship.

Weeks envisioned a $140 million commission for BitClub Network for onboarding Liberland citizens.

He said, “Starting a country is a mission a ton of people are on board with,” and that Liberland, with BitClub Network’s help, “would be the first country that runs on bitcoin mining instead of taxing its citizens.”

But his idealism was also comfortable with being a Super Grass informer for the U.S. Government.
Ironically, that approach led to him being arrested. (It will be interesting if he uses his undoubted knowledge in a Plea Bargain. There's a few people sweating around the world on that one.)

Quote from: Pacer
Weeks reached out to law enforcement in 2019 when the Government’s investigation was already underway and still covert.
Weeks claimed that he was well-situated to provide information on international money laundering through his contacts and association with others involved in the flow of large sums of funds through overseas cryptocurrency exchanges.

So the Feds stung him, arranging a meet in Florida

Quote from: Pacer
Weeks did not show up to this meeting expecting to be arrested; at no point during the Government’s investigation of Weeks was he ever informed of the instant charges or that the Government was investigating him or the others involved in BitClub Network.
Weeks attempted to convince agents that he might serve— in his words—as a “Jason Bourne” of cryptocurrency.

That's worth a soldering iron in any language.....


*All quotes marked "Pacer" used here come from the DoJ response to a motion filed by Joby Weeks, requesting his pretrial detention order be revoked.
The Pacer quotes, in turn, come from https://behindmlm.com/companies/bitconnect/bitclub-network-scammers-plead-not-guilty-weeks-want-out/ who have been calling out BitClub as a scam for as long as I have.
PACER = Public Access to Court Electronic Records, a U.S. payg access scheme.

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January 19, 2020, 12:52:42 AM
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Somebody just sent me this


So Left to Right:
Front: Yoshi Goto (Bitmain/warranty)
Rear: ?
Russ Medlin (BitClub)
Satoshi CSW
Marco......?

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January 19, 2020, 05:15:22 PM
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Somebody just sent me this


So Left to Right:
Front: Yoshi Goto (Bitmain/warranty)
Rear: ?
Russ Medlin (BitClub)
Satoshi CSW
Marco......?
Any way to find out where that comes from? I'm 100% sure I've seen the whole photo somewhere, likely in the scam accusations section here (likely in the BSV scam accusation thread), or on behindmlm.com. But that looks very familiar.

Great work, by the way. I did my part in warning people to not enter BitClub since I've heard of them (which was right after they launched). It was just such an obvious ponzi, just looking at the website was enough. The only thing which confused me was the hashrate / found  blocks they propagated to the network. Could anyone elaborate on how they faked that? My impression was that the stats on the common block explorers can be trusted. I still recall seeing many blocks found by BitClub for a while.

I have yet to read the court documents. I wonder if there's any mention of ClubCoin, the shitcoin they launched and got so many sheep to advertise. At some point, I got lots of Skype calls from people trying to convince me to buy that crap, because it's going to "pump hard really soon" (which, of course, it didn't).

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January 19, 2020, 05:46:07 PM
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Any way to find out where that comes from? I'm 100% sure I've seen the whole photo somewhere, likely in the scam accusations section here (likely in the BSV scam accusation thread), or on behindmlm.com. But that looks very familiar.

It was actually posted on their Facebook page about some meeting, the page is not accessible anymore but the result is still cached by google
Here is the full picture.
Probably dates from the same time as the interview roger ver took ...


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It was actually posted on their Facebook page about some meeting, the page is not accessible anymore but the result is still cached by google
Here is the full picture.
Probably dates from the same time as the interview roger ver took ...


Thanks.

Google Image search reveals some interesting results. But that was clearly after shit hit the fan for BitClub.

Also, when you scroll down to the bottom of this bitclub.com page, you will find a post they made containing this photo. The text translates to:
Quote from: Google Translate
Mr. Craig Wright, Satoshi Nakamoto

Yoshi, Ant pool's top engineer

Photo with Bit Club founder Russ
. Seems they don't know either who the fifth person is.

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Nice to see Bitmain in bed with so many scammers isn't it?.....

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It was actually posted on their Facebook page about some meeting, the page is not accessible anymore but the result is still cached by google
Here is the full picture.
Probably dates from the same time as the interview roger ver took ...

Also, when you scroll down to the bottom of this bitclub.com page, you will find a post they made containing this photo.  Seems they don't know either who the fifth person is.

A handful of merits for the first positive ID of the big guy.  Smiley
Above that bitclub.com post is this picture, in which Yoshi and NotSatoshi seem to be wearing the same clothes as in the other one. It's dated April 2017 Tokyo.



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The only thing which confused me was the hashrate / found  blocks they propagated to the network. Could anyone elaborate on how they faked that? My impression was that the stats on the common block explorers can be trusted. I still recall seeing many blocks found by BitClub for a while. I have yet to read the court documents.

The basic answer to that is that BitClubPool =/= BitClubNetwork in as far as BCN offered (early on) large incentives to third party miners to use the BCPool, to give the impression of high hashrate mining being done by BCN for their investors, as clearly shown here.
Later, I believe it's likely that BCPool processed large scale mining being done by Genesis and Bitfury, and paid them for that as a cover for the actual Ponzi operation that was really going on.
Weeks bragged about buying hundreds of thousands of S9's, Bitfury mining containers, blablahblah, but the actual BCN mining operation was a relative token. "Founder" member Iceland facility junkets? They were gladhanded and filled with booze and taken to a data center, where they saw some BCNetwork signs and a couple of guys in clean BCN t shirts.



Nice to see Bitmain in bed with so many scammers isn't it?.....

There's a lot of agendas floating about re: Bitmain, being stoked by so called "insider" info being claimed, mainly by this Twitter account, and it's pretty impenetrable to me tbh.
If Bitmain are being investigated by the DoJ in relation to BitClub Network, it's not neccessarily for
Bitmain selling huge amount of equipment to ponzi scheme BitClub with Bitmain’s Yoshi Goto playing key role!  
which, in itself, isn't illegal.
As this article says
Quote from: Google Translate
However, taking a step back ten thousand, even if Yoshi Goto is from Bitmain and provides mining rigs and mining pool operations to BitClub, he is only selling knives. The scammer is BitClub after all.
Conspiring with them to deceive and defraud investors by disguising the true benficiaries of BCPool hashrate would probably be a different matter.
I think that the wannabe Jason Bourne (Weeks) will squeal like a pig to keep his priviledged ass out of jail thru plea bargaining.
Who he implicates and what topics were discussed at various documented meetings with the highest level Bitcoin movers and shakers will be interesting...



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If Bitmain are being investigated by the DoJ in relation to BitClub Network, it's not neccessarily for
Bitmain selling huge amount of equipment to ponzi scheme BitClub with Bitmain’s Yoshi Goto playing key role! 
which, in itself, isn't illegal.
As this article says
Quote from: Google
However, taking a step back ten thousand, even if Yoshi Goto is from Bitmain and provides mining rigs and mining pool operations to BitClub, he is only selling knives. The scammer is BitClub after all.
Conspiring with them to deceive and defraud investors by disguising the true benficiaries of BCPool hashrate would probably be a different matter.
I think that the wannabe Jason Bourne (Weeks) will squeal like a pig to keep his priviledged ass out of jail thru plea bargaining.
Who he implicates and what topics were discussed at various documented meetings with the highest level Bitcoin movers and shakers will be interesting...


That is a tough call.
Here in the US suppliers and others are rarely targeted for investigation. Because it's a very tough sell to a jury.
Do you go after the people they rented office space from? The data center who leased them space? etc.

It's easy to say that they knew, it's difficult to prove.

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The basic answer to that is that BitClubPool =/= BitClubNetwork in as far as BCN offered (early on) large incentives to third party miners to use the BCPool, to give the impression of high hashrate mining being done by BCN for their investors, as clearly shown here.
Later, I believe it's likely that BCPool processed large scale mining being done by Genesis and Bitfury, and paid them for that as a cover for the actual Ponzi operation that was really going on.
Weeks bragged about buying hundreds of thousands of S9's, Bitfury mining containers, blablahblah, but the actual BCN mining operation was a relative token. "Founder" member Iceland facility junkets? They were gladhanded and filled with booze and taken to a data center, where they saw some BCNetwork signs and a couple of guys in clean BCN t shirts.
Thanks for clearing that up – must have been debunked in a period I've not been that active (the date of the linked post at least indicates so). Not gonna lie, I find it quite impressive to what lengths they went to on one hand disguise their true operation (the ponzi), while at the other hand making it blatantly obvious to anyone with at least half a brain.

This is one of the better fool filters I've seen scammers implement in their venture: keep those brain-gifted troublemakers out with an obvious ponzi site while bombarding the gullible with "undeniable proof" (the blocks, "See, we're actually mining!") to show they're "legit". Impressive in its own, dirty way.

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......"undeniable proof" (the blocks, "See, we're actually mining!") to show they're "legit". Impressive in its own, dirty way.



RD2 is Russ Medlin, Jan 2016.

Quote from:  Pacer, quoting Weeks talking to refund seeker
    Bro what are you retarded?

    Bitcoin is up 971% this year. You want a refund? Thats the stupidest thing Ive heard all year.

    Whats the matter with you [REDACTED] Why don’t you start paying attention bro?

    You’ve had 70,000 hours to figure out bitcoin, since it was invented…Bro…you still don’t get it?

    Bitcoin+golden egg. Bitclub = goose

    you had to have heard that story before right? Which is smarter?

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January 20, 2020, 06:05:47 PM
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I have a hard time believing that Yoshi/Bitmain didn't have a clue what was going on here TBH. As soon as Bitmain "crossed over" to the scamside I became even more suspicious of them & their motives (apart from the obvious one - money) & I stated as such on their (now locked - when did they do that?) pool thread way back in February last year:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855548.msg49826368#msg49826368

Big players read this forum including those at Bitmain & for sure they would have seen the shabby marketing of Bitclub, fake testimonials of convicted rapists & all, yet they stayed silent. If I was running a large, multi-million dollar company like Bitmain that had a partnership with such a company I would have cancelled it immediately & made an official statement to distance myself from that company as far away as possible. Bitmain done nothing & stuck with it.

Either way, for sure JW will sing like a bird from the highest treetop in an effort to avoid/reduce his time for this crime & he'll drag everyone involved down with him, like the dirty rat that he is. It'll all come out in court & I can't wait.

PIA went evil: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203968.msg53160131#msg53160131 Unofficial & Uncensored SYSCOIN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4748031.0    Do not trust Yobit/HitBTC/BiteBTC/coinsbit/p2pb2b/Mercatox/C-cex/Poloniex/WEX/KuCoin/LiveCoin/TheRockTrading/Bitfinex/ADAB/Okex/TradeSatoshi/Gate.io/Changelly/Freewallet.org/crex24 scam exchanges or ICO's by known scammers like HashCoins/Ambisafe/Bountyhive - they WILL scam you! Use diligence & research. Buy coins, sell coins - don't invest in stupid shit. If your questions aren't answered - don't touch it.
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January 29, 2020, 08:57:04 PM
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Is there any funds recovery program running now? If not- could anybody recommend one fund recovery office? Id like to make claim on my invested BTC in bitclub.
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Is there any funds recovery program running now?

The only legal action currently taking place is for specific crimes committed by specific individuals. So, no.

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Be very careful there. Many stage 2 scammers will crawl out of the woodwork, offering all sorts.
If you joined thru a referral, I suggest going after your upline.


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I know it only seems like a small thing, these false pictures and non existent customers: "Hey, everyone does it, it's just marketing, doesn't mean anything!" but I don't see it like that. Once someone is established as a liar, then exactly how much of what else that they say can be trusted?

I know people who work in boiler room scams, confidence tricks and the MLM industry: in order to do the job properly they have to have the right psychological approach to the clients victims.
In order to avoid any compassion or sympathy as they hassle people night and day to part with whatever money they have in order to hit their targets, they effectively dehumanise the marks, treat them with contempt and laugh at them.
Some actually place bets on how absurd a pitch they can make and still be successful.

This is where the picture of the rapist/client comes in.
It's reasonable to assume that whoever used that picture of Ansari and gave him the ID of a fictional Brazilian client of BitClub Network, knew where the picture came from and who he was, what crime he had committed. This is the contempt I refer to, "Hey, these people are so fucking stupid, let's show them a picture of a rapist and say he's a client, I bet they don't even fucking notice!"

But someone's had their ass kicked, and the picture's been changed.
A real pro job they've made of it too....

https://i.imgur.com/17HaL9o.png


When BCN was exposed on this, they merely swapped the photo with another stranger, a Dr. Carsten Heinrich:

https://qa.linkedin.com/in/carsten-heinrich-73ba3985

At least he's not a convicted rapist . . .  Undecided

It seems that tmfp had BCN pegged since 2015 with his "my suspicion that the operation was only ever a Genesis Mining reseller becomes almost a certainty."

Here's the DoJ site for this case.  All defendants are still being held without bail (flight risk seems high):
https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/bitclub

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  All defendants are still being held without bail (flight risk seems high):

Yeah, you'd have thought it couldn't be much higher, wouldn't you?
Large amounts of perfectly portable crypto likely in their possession, lifestyles of frequent ( in Weeks' case, obsessive) global travel and no real roots in the U.S.?
But that hasn't stopped Goettsche and Weeks applying to have their pretrial detention orders revoked, a decision on which is imminent.
Two of Weeks' exhibits supporting his attempt strike me as surreal, if not counter productive: a family photo and a link to his travel blog with the last port of call being Dubai, home to scammers from around the world and no U.S. extradition treaty.
Weeks' ego allows him to believe that he shouldn't be kept banged up with common criminals, despite being a hugely obvious flight risk and the lawyer's money's no object, so why not?
His big fat ego also saw nothing wrong with using vanity addressed wallets to process his thievery...

Goettsche's application cites Virgil Griffiths' successful bail attempt as a precedent (Griffiths a.k.a. Romanpoet, ETH dev, was arrested for his North Korean trip, then bailed), which is a real apples and oranges comparison on all levels.

http://www.courtcasedocs.com/Case%20Files/19-CR-00877-CCC/index.html


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