Yesminer M20 / M10

[KougarLOB]

I'm a bit confused on this...but does this mean WHOEVER sold you the voucher via paypal on ebay.....was taken on such by yesminers themselves..thus when yesminers went poof and the vouchers etc became worthless...a complaint was made and paypal forced the folk 1 step above you in this yesminers scam who were likely taken for 'big bucks' to refund the vouchers?

is that how this played out?

Not exactly.  The eBay listing was #161785116168 being sold by YesMiners themselves.  No middleman.  I communicated directly with "Mark" from day 1.

The YesMiners eBay profile is was http://www.ebay.com/usr/yesminers.  Check the feedback and you'll find I was the first to give them positive marks; didn't praise the product, only the voucher which did work.  The voucher was used to "buy" the miner and several accessories including the "Overclock" upgrade a few months later.  What confused me the whole time was why they bothered to respond to inquires months after the auction ended and days before the operation went silent.  That kept my hopes up... Falsely.

Don't know how or who got the reversal started but damn, I was freakin' lucky.  Hopefully contact information in the screenshots is useful to others.

[yxt]

giving positiv feedback because you got a working code *LOL* seriously? WTF!
I always thought that are fake ratings because nobody can be that stupid

[suchmoon]

I'm a bit confused on this...but does this mean WHOEVER sold you the voucher via paypal on ebay.....was taken on such by yesminers themselves..thus when yesminers went poof and the vouchers etc became worthless...a complaint was made and paypal forced the folk 1 step above you in this yesminers scam who were likely taken for 'big bucks' to refund the vouchers?

is that how this played out?

Not exactly.  The eBay listing was #161785116168 being sold by YesMiners themselves.  No middleman.  I communicated directly with "Mark" from day 1.

The YesMiners eBay profile is was http://www.ebay.com/usr/yesminers.  Check the feedback and you'll find I was the first to give them positive marks; didn't praise the product, only the voucher which did work.  The voucher was used to "buy" the miner and several accessories including the "Overclock" upgrade a few months later.  What confused me the whole time was why they bothered to respond to inquires months after the auction ended and days before the operation went silent.  That kept my hopes up... Falsely.

Don't know how or who got the reversal started but damn, I was freakin' lucky.  Hopefully contact information in the screenshots is useful to others.

I believe you could have started and easily won a PayPal or eBay case yourself. And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Not an endorsement to spend recklessly on scams. In the end we all share the cost of those PayPal disputes and CC chargebacks if they can't recover from the actual perpetrator.

[dogie]

And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between Paypal and the seller.

[suchmoon]

And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between Paypal and the seller.

Not true, at least not in the US. I've been on both ends of this and CC chargebacks on PayPal payments go through just fine.

[yxt]

And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between Paypal and the seller.

Not true, at least not in the US. I've been on both ends of this and CC chargebacks on PayPal payments go through just fine.

Also not true in the EU

[KougarLOB]

giving positiv feedback because you got a working code *LOL* seriously? WTF!
I always thought that are fake ratings because nobody can be that stupid

Yeah, I was stupid and naive.  The listing was for a code which they delivered and it worked on their website.  The action required by the eBay listing was fulfilled as far as I saw it.  Ditto for the other 23 eBay buyers.  I assumed had I started a case eBay Buyer Protection/PayPal would side with YesMiners because they did as promised by the voucher.  (Stupid, stupid, stupid.)  With all the discounts and cashback, I would have been out about 1160USD.  This is at a time when BTC was around 260USD!  Would have been better off buying five coins and parking them in a BTCPop investor pool for six months.

Now I have a pile of valid eBay gift codes.  Time to finally build a few PC, which is why I get into BTC in the first place.  Saw a Bitcoin Accepted Here banner on a site and thought What's Bitcoin?  That was ten months ago and still haven't built that PC.

[BitcoinjunkieZ]

anybody got his miners 

Everbody told u guys 

[Makingsure]

giving positiv feedback because you got a working code *LOL* seriously? WTF!
I always thought that are fake ratings because nobody can be that stupid

Yeah, I was stupid and naive.  The listing was for a code which they delivered and it worked on their website.  The action required by the eBay listing was fulfilled as far as I saw it.  Ditto for the other 23 eBay buyers.  I assumed had I started a case eBay Buyer Protection/PayPal would side with YesMiners because they did as promised by the voucher.  (Stupid, stupid, stupid.)  With all the discounts and cashback, I would have been out about 1160USD.  This is at a time when BTC was around 260USD!  Would have been better off buying five coins and parking them in a BTCPop investor pool for six months.

Now I have a pile of valid eBay gift codes.  Time to finally build a few PC, which is why I get into BTC in the first place.  Saw a Bitcoin Accepted Here banner on a site and thought What's Bitcoin?  That was ten months ago and still haven't built that PC.

haha awesome! so happy to hear a happy ending for once
might i suggest when u build that pc, if u got a bit to burn, make it also a GPU mining rig
GPU mining has come back and theres money to be made if done right!
best days to you

[KougarLOB]

haha awesome! so happy to hear a happy ending for once
might i suggest when u build that pc, if u got a bit to burn, make it also a GPU mining rig
GPU mining has come back and theres money to be made if done right!
best days to you

Yeah, Lucky.  So much negativity in this thread.  Had to add at least a glimmer of good news.  Good luck to the rest, seriously  .
And I am researching at high-power GTX cards for Ether mining.

[Searing]

And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Offer
Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between Paypal and the seller.

I got one from Amex after the 45 days of PayPal expired, but alpha also lied to Amex that I paid I in full on dispute. Actual Amex rep swore on phone at that ( said what an ass under his breath) heh this was fraud dept. Got refund on the spot. It had been denied 1x but I pointed out the lie. Amex was miffed off. Got full refund on the spot.


edit: to posts below

The above did happen around June 2015....the policies may have changed....and/or I may have just gotten lucky because of the nature of the documentation they sent
Alpha Tech...Scrypt Miner folk (still get emails from them 2 years later saying soon ...lol )  'implied' I paid full price for a product...when alpha tech only took 30% down.....anyway my experience may have been unique and now that time has gone by....this may not be done anymore...just saying ....dumb luck on my part .....and don't lie with doc's in a dispute to Amex...they were NOT amused.....especially when on the phone with the Fraud Dept (they call you if they think it prudent on a dispute)...(again my 2nd try ..I lost the first dispute) with Amex I guess...and re-reading above had to have a LOT of ducks in a row in 20/20 hindsight to get that instant refund it seems.....

[dogie]

And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between Paypal and the seller.

Not true, at least not in the US. I've been on both ends of this and CC chargebacks on PayPal payments go through just fine.

Also not true in the EU

Do you have any experience of that or are you just saying that? I have a case with a bank / Visa where they explicitly state that a payment with their card via Paypal is NOT covered by a Visa protection scheme.

[suchmoon]

And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between Paypal and the seller.

Not true, at least not in the US. I've been on both ends of this and CC chargebacks on PayPal payments go through just fine.

Also not true in the EU

Do you have any experience of that or are you just saying that? I have a case with a bank / Visa where they explicitly state that a payment with their card via Paypal is NOT covered by a Visa protection scheme.

I think this is referring to Section 75. We are talking about chargebacks.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/jan/20/section-75-chargeback

[NotFuzzyWarm]

This is a very grey area.
In the Guardian article they say "If you use your debit card to load your PayPal account and then use that account to make a purchase, you are unlikely to be able to use chargeback if there is a problem with that purchase."

Grey area there is the words 'PayPal account'. Problem is that PayPal has changed from just a load & spend service (requiring a PayPal account) to also being a credit card transaction processing service for sellers that I assume acts as a go-between for your credit card and the retailer. That is where the Third-party wording comes into play.

The Banks/credit card companies want to/will only cover you if the transactions are done directly through them. They look at the matter as if you had a PayPal account that you xfr'd funds to for making the purchase.  To them it being a 'real' or temporary account is not in the equation. Ergo, disputes regarding usage of funds in that (PayPal) account is between you, PayPal, and the seller. Not the Banks problem.

Bottom line is that various countries laws aside it depends on what biz agreements PaPal has with the various banks/ credit card issuers.

[dogie]

And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between Paypal and the seller.

Not true, at least not in the US. I've been on both ends of this and CC chargebacks on PayPal payments go through just fine.

Also not true in the EU

Do you have any experience of that or are you just saying that? I have a case with a bank / Visa where they explicitly state that a payment with their card via Paypal is NOT covered by a Visa protection scheme.

I think this is referring to Section 75. We are talking about chargebacks.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/jan/20/section-75-chargeback

Its not, its a screenshot from a letter from my bank exactly in relation to charging back or disputing a scammed transaction paid on a visa debit card via Paypal.

[Hannu]

Holy Crap,

Are you guys really like that....
As I just wrote in a PM to Klintay:

Easy now, First I think you take me for someone else Huh
Second, im not Dutch and I have never been working for MAT, Got 2 machines from them, but lost another order for 2.
Third, lifeforce pool is a good tool that I did and do use, but I have never been working with him or for that matter Hashra and their miners, so !
Ups... forgot....Lost 4000,-$ out of 10.000,-$ for the Hashra deal, Simon only paid me back 6k....

Im pretty sure you think about the German guy who worked for MAT, who left them at some point, but thats not me either.
Sorry, cant help you out on that one.

Scammer or Shiller, nope, why should I, I owe a rather big company in a complete different sector than BTC, so BTC is just an hobby for me.
And for Dogie "Sherlock", those 2 miners was later sold on E-bay, 1 for USA and one for Ukraine I think. So even you think they are not mining, the did a pretty good job for me before I sold them.
The radiator is not on and the miners were placed in one of my empty production buildings, so plenty of cooling.
Power cords, how the hell can you tell they are not pluged in :-) both miners are on top of an old GPU mining rig that I had 10 of at a point. GPU`s was sold, but the rigs, mother boards and power supplys was still on the rig but not pluged in. 2 power supplys pr Rig.
All power cords are going to different power extension plugs with I think 8-10 plugs. Each main power switch can take 2500Watt, so I had to spread them out because the MAT machines was power hungry.
The PSU on the left you say is not "ON", funny because I can see the fan spinning like crazy.
Controller LED, I think they never did work actually... now you say it.. No they did not.
Dogie, go back to your very good reviews and stay away playing "Sherlock" since this is purely just not good enough.


Peace
Xircom

Hey,

4000 dollars or 10 000 dollars you can build your own mining rig and optimize it on LTC/ETH/DOGE? 

[suchmoon]

And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between Paypal and the seller.

Not true, at least not in the US. I've been on both ends of this and CC chargebacks on PayPal payments go through just fine.

Also not true in the EU

Do you have any experience of that or are you just saying that? I have a case with a bank / Visa where they explicitly state that a payment with their card via Paypal is NOT covered by a Visa protection scheme.

I think this is referring to Section 75. We are talking about chargebacks.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/jan/20/section-75-chargeback

Its not, its a screenshot from a letter from my bank exactly in relation to charging back or disputing a scammed transaction paid on a visa debit card via Paypal.

I can't speak for debit cards, maybe it's different from CCs.

I know for a fact that we've had all sorts of crooked eBay buyers filing chargebacks on top of PayPal payments, including from the UK, so it does work somehow.

[toptek]

And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between PayPal and the seller.

The Us is a lot different if you can prove it and went thu all the steps they will do charge backs PayPal or not, in some cases refund the money back right a way with a good  warning the normal stuff .

my bank did it once on my debt card i had to go to PayPal first and follow a lot of steps but it was given back and they did a charge back .

[notlist3d]

And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between PayPal and the seller.

The Us is a lot different if you can prove it and went thu all the steps they will do charge backs PayPal or not, in some cases refund the money back right a way with a good  warning the normal stuff .

my bank did it once on my debt card i had to go to PayPal first and follow a lot of steps but it was given back and they did a charge back .

I think the key is you went through PayPal.  PayPal is highly sided with buyers is the good thing in scams.  Bad for legit sellers, but good for fighting scammers.

But work with PayPal a lot will depend on how long it's been since payment.  Before 90 day's I believe if nothing shipped getting a charge back is pretty easy (or should be).

[mavericklm]

and thw shit keeps on roling or shold i say the scam keeps on rollin!