BERNIE SANDERS, WEIRDO IN CHIEF

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Perhaps not however.  Austerity seems to be a common feature of collectivist societies.  The benefits are that the population develops a reliance on the collective, and more specifically on the organizers of the collective which helps the organizers control them.  In a corporate owned collective, which is the path the world is on at the moment, the owners of the means of production can extract more reward for less product.  What's not to love if you have a lock on the product being rationed (fossil fuel reserves are a prime example.)

You might want to do some reading on Stalin's manipulation of the Ukrain famine, and reconsider this.

I'm basically aware of the loss of life engineered by Stalin.  Lots of people, Communist and otherwise have engaged in population engineering to the detriment of civilians.  These tend to be relatively short-lived events.  Not relevant and not particularly counter to my point even if it was.

My interest in the politics of shortage was spurred in discussions with a Russian speaking Ukrainian friend of mine.  He says that the lines to obtain food in the former Soviet Union were often not necessary but that it created a means of social conditioning which were useful to those who managed the collective.

Housing was similar.  One way for a young couple to get a flat was 'inform' on someone else.  If the victim lost their flat then the informer may get it.  I know from my standpoint where eco-sleazeballs can anonymously call about things when are non-problems and have the state bureaucrats show up and cause a lot of hassles that this snitch culture creates a lot of fractures in a community.  That is probably one reason why this construct is often used in socialist and communist societies (as well as capitalist ones like our McCarthy era red bating to be fair.)

At the end of the day, there are few attempts at socialism or communism which ended up being even tolerable for those who have little desire for liberty, and more often than not they seem to fall into a hell-on-earth bottomless pit which spares only a handful of the leaders.  It's relatively easy to see why and how this happens and hard to see any construct which could avoid it.

[Wilikon]

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Perhaps not however.  Austerity seems to be a common feature of collectivist societies.  The benefits are that the population develops a reliance on the collective, and more specifically on the organizers of the collective which helps the organizers control them.  In a corporate owned collective, which is the path the world is on at the moment, the owners of the means of production can extract more reward for less product.  What's not to love if you have a lock on the product being rationed (fossil fuel reserves are a prime example.)

You might want to do some reading on Stalin's manipulation of the Ukrain famine, and reconsider this.

I'm basically aware of the loss of life engineered by Stalin.  Lots of people, Communist and otherwise have engaged in population engineering to the detriment of civilians.  These tend to be relatively short-lived events.  Not relevant and not particularly counter to my point even if it was.

My interest in the politics of shortage was spurred in discussions with a Russian speaking Ukrainian friend of mine.  He says that the lines to obtain food in the former Soviet Union were often not necessary but that it created a means of social conditioning which were useful to those who managed the collective.

Housing was similar.  One way for a young couple to get a flat was 'inform' on someone else.  If the victim lost their flat then the informer may get it.  I know from my standpoint where eco-sleazeballs can anonymously call about things when are non-problems and have the state bureaucrats show up and cause a lot of hassles that this snitch culture creates a lot of fractures in a community.  That is probably one reason why this construct is often used in socialist and communist societies (as well as capitalist ones like our McCarthy era red bating to be fair.)

At the end of the day, there are few attempts at socialism or communism which ended up being even tolerable for those who have little desire for liberty, and more often than not they seem to fall into a hell-on-earth bottomless pit which spares only a handful of the leaders.  It's relatively easy to see why and how this happens and hard to see any construct which could avoid it.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

[Wilikon]

Bernie voters protesting on a Subway train.

Published on Apr 2, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRJGLPb3WdU

[Wilikon]

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[Nxtblg]

Okay, folks, what's the over under on the number of oh-so-ethical Nordic-model-country bigwigs that are going to be outed by the Panama Papers?

"Luxury dachas? In socialism? Those terms contradict! Your Don't know anything about socialism! You're uneducated!"

Suuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrreeeee...

[Spendulus]

I have never met anyone actually living in a socialist country who had the fanatical stupidity of Bernibots.

Not a one.

[Wilikon]

Because Yale and Harvard are free public universities

 

[Wilikon]

[Wilikon]

A future to believe in...?

[Racey]

A future to believe in...?

Who Is that masked man? why is he hiding?
It sure is a man, no woman is built like that.

[Spendulus]

A future to believe in...?

Who Is that masked man? why is he hiding?
It sure is a man, no woman is built like that.

It's the hunchback of no dame.

[Wilikon]

A future to believe in...?

Who Is that masked man? why is he hiding?
It sure is a man, no woman is built like that.

Maybe they are built like that. The internal organs need extra protection. Evolution in action to fight off the build up heat from the green house effect under all that black...

[Wilikon]

[Spendulus]

I am sticking to my original comment about Bernie, that he is a strawman candidate, put there only to have a controversy, and get some level of news coverage of "the race for Democratic nominee."

In other words, his entire operation is completely fake.  Not saying he knows this, he may well have been duped.  And obviously the Berniebots do not know it.

[Gronthaing]

^ not sure that makes sense. Clinton is very well known already. And the debates haven't been that good for her. Despite what the media says. Her poll numbers are still falling for example. And why pick sanders? If they wanted another candidate to call attention to their side of the race they could have chosen someone else. Not someone that is making clinton look bad. And with some luck could even win the nomination. Could be a way to bring more people to vote for the democrats that wouldn't before. But I don't know they will vote for clinton if she is the nominee. If this was all planned it looks careless.

[Spendulus]

^ not sure that makes sense. Clinton is very well known already. And the debates haven't been that good for her. Despite what the media says. Her poll numbers are still falling for example. And why pick sanders? If they wanted another candidate to call attention to their side of the race they could have chosen someone else. Not someone that is making clinton look bad. And with some luck could even win the nomination. Could be a way to bring more people to vote for the democrats that wouldn't before. But I don't know they will vote for clinton if she is the nominee. If this was all planned it looks careless.

bolded part was never true.

As to why sanders, the straw candidate must be much farther left than Hillary, which makes her look middle of the road.

[Wilikon]

Phonebanking to help bring socialim, while helping capitalism in every single purchase...

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