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I'm afraid Inter are still not in a good condition.
They lost three times in their last four official matches. They didn't seem well against Bayern Munich the last time. This Torino match tomorrow is an opportunity for them to start a recovery process indeed. However it is a match that they should be very careful about at the same time. Because Torino started the season better than them by collecting 10 points. Inter have been dominant against Torino for three head-to-head matches in this stadium. I think this could also be some help for Inter mentally. Lukaku is still injured but it is no hindrance for a win here. I expect a clear win for Inter so they can be preferred @1.44.
Inter Milan still can't back to top performance after losing last match from Bayern Munich in UEFA Champion League, have loss twice from five games in Serie A made began start for Inter Milan in this season and include with bad beginning on Champion League after losing on first match. Torino have good performance and better position standing than Inter Milan after success won 3 match, 1 draw and 1 loss until success settle 6th standing position. Probably Inter Milan will try recover after losing twice in a row and against Torino is time back to winning record. Still faced problem with attacking line after Lukaku get injury and I think Edin Dzeko or Joaquin Correa will be alternative option become tandem for Lutaro Martinez. Inter Milan is a totally unreliable team has spent a lot of money on super strong players and is losing games all the time sorry if I am very critical, but we Juventus fans are often in strong contrast with them Inter are doing well in terms of attack, even with the return of lukaku they are not getting to be very good in attack, and their defense has also been making a lot of mistakes and the way things are going they won't have a chance to win Serie A and maybe they won't even make it to another stage in the champions league. i am a fan of juventus but i admit that we are worse than inter when it comes to comparing the attack Juventus in 5 games only scored 7 goals Inter in 5 games scored 11 goals our advantage is in the defense that in 5 games we only conceded 2 goals, something very impressive Roma's performance in this match was completely unexpected. Roma's performance has been quite good in all the previous matches. Especially their defence was very strong. But against Udinese, Roma's defence completely crumbled. Udinese didn't attack much. Even so, Roma conceded four goals.
Roma is like to a switch that is occasionally turned on and off. They haven't impressed me with their performances thus far, but I don't believe it is sufficient cause to fire the coach. They should take it extremely seriously because there is space for improvement. Specifically, their defense, pace, and finishing. Udinese will definitely make it to the Conference league if they keep at this pace this season. You are right, Roma's performance failed to impress us. However, their performance was quite stable. Although they did not perform very well, their performance was consistent. But after the last Udinese, the weaknesses of the Roma team are well understood. Mourinho continues to try his best to stabilize the team. But his squad lacks the required talented players. I think Roma would have been stronger if Mourinho had been given the chance to add players to his squad. well, i still can't understand how that 4 - 0 disaster happened and then they still lost in the european competition. roma has good players in defense and attack, at least this season they have that, but in attack they are having problems, they can't score many goals and now in defense they are having a lot of problems too. That way we can say that they won't have a chance to win Serie A unless they start to change their style of play.
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But his squad lacks the required talented players. I think Roma would have been stronger if Mourinho had been given the chance to add players to his squad.
Maybe it can be tried next season, because if I'm not mistaken the Serie A summer transfer market closes in early September. After all, Roma have benefited a lot in the transfer market this season, where the arrival of players like Dybala, Matic, and several other names on free transfers. Roma haven't even spent more than €10m on seven new players this season So Mourinho's potential to add players is very wide open
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September 09, 2022, 07:32:38 PM |
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Good compared to who? And do you remember in what condition he took the Spurs then? He took the team from 14th to 6th. Is this a bad result? And he took Tottenham to the FA Cup final they most likely would have won (City were beaten in both league matches by Spurs). Everyone is used to that Mourinho gives the top result (at the level of a miracle), but he cannot give it with an average team (at least not always). Mourinho can not guarantee victory in every game played by Roma, it is very unlikely to happen. So I think Roma fans should realize that Mourinho is just trying to give his best in every game, and in the end, winning and losing is a consequence they have to accept. So far 3 wins, 1 loss and 1 draw is not a bad result for Roma. They can still improve, but nothing can be done when other teams have better quality players. I would support Milan over Roma, but Milan can't always be consistent either.
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September 09, 2022, 07:40:55 PM Last edit: October 08, 2022, 10:27:10 AM by G_Besar |
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I saw the pressure build up on Inter coach Simone Inzaghi, having suffered two defeats in a row, a 3-2 defeat by Milan in the Derby della Madonnina, and in the Champions League with a 2-0 home defeat to Bundesliga champions Bayern Munich .
Back again to the 6th round of Serie A tomorrow, Inter will host Torino at the Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, currently there is only one point difference between the two teams before kick-off, my prediction this top-flight match will promise a fierce match, but I'm still waiting for Inter to add to their head to head win over Torino.
Inter Milan started the season badly. Previously, Simone Inzaghi's squad was expected to have a very competitive squad, but in fact the Nerazzurri's performances have been inconsistent. These defeats caught the attention of many parties and of course the Inter management. The Nerazzurri's competitiveness has been questioned, especially after strengthening the team by signing Romelu Lukaku and Henrikh Mkhitaryan in the summer transfer window. This unsatisfactory result is also a threat to Simone Inzaghi, his fate will really be at stake in the next match.
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How do you define " attack much"? Is it a must to have 20+ shots attempts to be categorized as " attack much"? In my understanding, we can't claim a team to not attack much because they only make 11 shots attempts. If they only made 11 shots attempts, it may be caused by a strong defense of the opposite team, or the opposite team dominates the ball possession. We know that Mourinho always builds his team with a strong defense. It makes Udinese create many shots attempts. But once again, it doesn't mean the Udinese players didn't attack much. In addition, if Udinese players successfully score 4 goals from 5 shots on target, it means they have good accuracy in shooting. I think it is not even about the shots, it is about how they play and you know it when you watch it. Sometimes teams pass a lot on other teams half, and they keep on trying to find that shot, and if they are good at it then they score bunch of goals, and if they are bad at it they are still attacking but do not find open shots. So, it is not about shots, it is not even about possession neither, it is a bit about what you see and it can't be exactly put into stats, some stats of course shows it, but not just one, and you need to see it to understand. They did attack a lot and was focused on other teams goal a lot, that is why we could say that they did attacking very well in this game.
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September 09, 2022, 07:52:28 PM |
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Inter will not lose because the bad end result for Inter in this match is a draw, please pay attention to how Torino get points and how Torino get a draw and lose. I think that is something that is clear when it comes to who Torino has beaten so far and also, head to head is not on Torino's side and moreover this is an away match for Torino. I personally don't doubt Inter's quality, although now they have a point gap of one point but that doesn't mean Torino is stronger and it doesn't mean Torino will be able to beat Inter easily either.
Despite losing against AC Milan in the previous match, Inter Milan will make no mistake against Torino. Torino is in good form right now. Their achievement is 10 points in 5 matches. Inter Milan's performances have not been consistent, but their squad is quite strong. I have seen the statistics of Inter Milan vs Torino head-to-head matches. Inter Milan has won 4 of their last 5 matches against Torino. And a match was drawn. Torino's team could not win a single match against Inter Milan. However, I guess Inter Milan will not lose points against Torino. Inter Milan will win this match by 2-1 or 3-1 goals. After all so far it's only been 5 matches and their point difference is only one point and therefore, I said before that the point difference for them is not something that can be promised like for example who gets the higher points is the best. The fact is not so, although Inter also only won against mediocre teams and lost by top teams but against Torino I'm sure Inter will be able to improve their performance and can win the match. Also, previously Inter played in the Champions League against the king of the Bundesliga and Inter only lost by 2 goals, I think it's not a bad result either and proves at least Inter still have a pretty good defence. Inter Milan will have to win this match because they really need to get the position on the table. They are both really in the same type of form. But the quality of the team is better with Inter. So, I believe they will be able to win. You know Inter is very good at scoring goals. So, I don’t think they will have too much problems. They have scored quite a few goals this season but they have been unlucky. On the other hand, Torino did not score enough goals. So, I think this is not going to be a clean sheet for any team. And should also be a win for Inter. -snip
Inter had a difficult match with Bayern, and after this match they will also have a match in the Champions League, a very tight schedule and the players will be tired, it is also necessary to see if Indzaghi will let some players rest, before the Champions League match. If so then the match with Torino is also can be very difficult. But Inter has lost two matches in a row, I don’t think that this series can last for a three matchs. Inter Milan is having a difficult time even in Serie A the position is still below Torino now, so I can't assure Inter vs Torino will win easily even though h2h they win statistically for Inter but I see Torino now more aggressive even being an unpredictable team later. After this the champions league schedule starts even though the opponent is Viktoria Plzen but it must be noticed that Inter's performance is still not good what I have seen so far. Not a stellar match for Inter against Bayern Munich. And that match was difficult for them. It was basically a case of a better team facing off against a not so competent team. But they are not performing well in the Italian league as well. I have to say the performance of Inter is not so impressive at the moment. They are scoring quite a few goals but they are not able to defend properly. So unless they improve their performance in the defensive lineup they will probably keep losing. And I don’t have really high expectations from them in the next match. But I will keep them ahead against Torino. My bet will go for Inter in this match.
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September 09, 2022, 07:52:33 PM |
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But his squad lacks the required talented players. I think Roma would have been stronger if Mourinho had been given the chance to add players to his squad.
Maybe it can be tried next season, because if I'm not mistaken the Serie A summer transfer market closes in early September. After all, Roma have benefited a lot in the transfer market this season, where the arrival of players like Dybala, Matic, and several other names on free transfers. Roma haven't even spent more than €10m on seven new players this season So Mourinho's potential to add players is very wide open It might be better that way because with new players who can fill Roma's current shortage it would definitely be a good thing, but so far it seems that Mou is still quite satisfied so he is not too active in player transfers, maybe for next season or in the half-season break. later it will be a little different. but we also have to wait because sometimes he is very difficult to predict.
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September 09, 2022, 08:11:10 PM |
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But his squad lacks the required talented players. I think Roma would have been stronger if Mourinho had been given the chance to add players to his squad.
Maybe it can be tried next season, because if I'm not mistaken the Serie A summer transfer market closes in early September. After all, Roma have benefited a lot in the transfer market this season, where the arrival of players like Dybala, Matic, and several other names on free transfers. Roma haven't even spent more than €10m on seven new players this season So Mourinho's potential to add players is very wide open The problem is that Roma's management is unwilling to spend money on building their team. They did not provide enough funds to Mourinho to buy new players. If a coach is not allowed to build the team according to his choice, it is foolish to expect him to perform well. Mourinho proved this as an experienced coach. If the Roma management had given Mourinho enough funds to add new players, the Roma team would have been stronger.
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The unexpected thing happened at a time when AS Roma was in a positive trend and in good form too. But this just happened in one game that makes us wonder what was wrong with them in that match. But I believe they will soon get up in the next match and make up for the defeat in this match. However, they must do so before trust in them is completely lost.
As roma have suffered two defeats this week where they lost to udinese in Serie A and continued with a loss to Ludogorets in the Europa League. Dybala who was admired in the previous game was unable to do much against Ludogorets and this defeat should be a wake-up point for Roma against Empoli this week. They must perform better in the upcoming matches and consistency is needed to secure full points from Empoli. Empoli as a team that has never experienced a first win this season will try their luck in the match against AS Roma to aim for their first win.
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September 09, 2022, 08:25:45 PM |
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As roma have suffered two defeats this week where they lost to udinese in Serie A and continued with a loss to Ludogorets in the Europa League. Dybala who was admired in the previous game was unable to do much against Ludogorets and this defeat should be a wake-up point for Roma against Empoli this week. It's definitely not funny to see Roma's recent streak of defeats. Empoli are also not an easy opponent to beat, but Roma have a good way of completing their mission to get their players' confidence back after those two defeats. Wish them all the best against Empoli, but Empoli will definitely not play weak in front of their own supporters. In my opinion, it is feared that Empoli will lose to Roma so that their bad record will continue. Roma have the potential to win this match even though the team's confidence is low after the recent two defeats. But I'm sure Mourinho has a way to get full points in that match.
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How do you define " attack much"? Is it a must to have 20+ shots attempts to be categorized as " attack much"? In my understanding, we can't claim a team to not attack much because they only make 11 shots attempts. If they only made 11 shots attempts, it may be caused by a strong defense of the opposite team, or the opposite team dominates the ball possession. We know that Mourinho always builds his team with a strong defense. It makes Udinese create many shots attempts. But once again, it doesn't mean the Udinese players didn't attack much. In addition, if Udinese players successfully score 4 goals from 5 shots on target, it means they have good accuracy in shooting. I think it is not even about the shots, it is about how they play and you know it when you watch it. Sometimes teams pass a lot on other teams half, and they keep on trying to find that shot, and if they are good at it then they score bunch of goals, and if they are bad at it they are still attacking but do not find open shots. So, it is not about shots, it is not even about possession neither, it is a bit about what you see and it can't be exactly put into stats, some stats of course shows it, but not just one, and you need to see it to understand. They did attack a lot and was focused on other teams goal a lot, that is why we could say that they did attacking very well in this game. To win a match you don’t need to have 20+ shots. In order to win, you just need to score enough goals, and they were able to do that. No matter how many shots you have or how many shots you have on the target. As long as you are able to score more goals than your opponent, then that is all that matters. If you are able to do that, then you will be able to win. Does not matter how you do it. So, I don’t think having many shots on target matters. And if you can have only one shot on goal and score one goal you will have 100% accuracy. But that does mean you did not have enough coordinated attack.
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September 09, 2022, 09:46:58 PM |
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How do you define " attack much"? Is it a must to have 20+ shots attempts to be categorized as " attack much"? In my understanding, we can't claim a team to not attack much because they only make 11 shots attempts. If they only made 11 shots attempts, it may be caused by a strong defense of the opposite team, or the opposite team dominates the ball possession. We know that Mourinho always builds his team with a strong defense. It makes Udinese create many shots attempts. But once again, it doesn't mean the Udinese players didn't attack much. In addition, if Udinese players successfully score 4 goals from 5 shots on target, it means they have good accuracy in shooting. I think it is not even about the shots, it is about how they play and you know it when you watch it. Sometimes teams pass a lot on other teams half, and they keep on trying to find that shot, and if they are good at it then they score bunch of goals, and if they are bad at it they are still attacking but do not find open shots. So, it is not about shots, it is not even about possession neither, it is a bit about what you see and it can't be exactly put into stats, some stats of course shows it, but not just one, and you need to see it to understand. They did attack a lot and was focused on other teams goal a lot, that is why we could say that they did attacking very well in this game. To win a match you don’t need to have 20+ shots. In order to win, you just need to score enough goals, and they were able to do that. No matter how many shots you have or how many shots you have on the target. As long as you are able to score more goals than your opponent, then that is all that matters. If you are able to do that, then you will be able to win. Does not matter how you do it. So, I don’t think having many shots on target matters. And if you can have only one shot on goal and score one goal you will have 100% accuracy. But that does mean you did not have enough coordinated attack. Shooting on goal is always a good sign but the most important thing is enough eficacity against the goal and that what determine the good and the bad forwarded, sometimes shots off goal make bigger danger than on goal so we can't determine anything by looking on them
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Hmm... what's wrong with Mourinho? If he is so bad then why did he win the last two European titles for Serie A, and not all the others who are good? And what can you say about Inter and Juventus, which are now lower in the standings than Roma, Udinese and Torino? I think the fans (and management) of these teams also expected a better start. No one will doubt the quality of Mourinho as a coach and his achievements tho The only problem with him is his old school tactics that are known by most teams and easy to counter them. I am not an expert obviously but that's what I am aware of from analysts. His previous experience with Spurs was quite unpleasant for example although he had good players. So if he succeed with Roma and fail with Spurs then it is not totally his fault tho. Good compared to who? And do you remember in what condition he took the Spurs then? He took the team from 14th to 6th. Is this a bad result? And he took Tottenham to the FA Cup final they most likely would have won (City were beaten in both league matches by Spurs). Everyone is used to that Mourinho gives the top result (at the level of a miracle), but he cannot give it with an average team (at least not always). It is hard to compare coaches because everyone has his own tactics but if we look what's the objective of each team, we could say this one is good and this one isn't. Tuchel for example is a good one but with the current Chelsea squad don't expect much from the team. Roma objective in the other hand is to return to the first places and why not another european league. Avoiding successive and shamefull defeats is another important point. The problem with Mourinho with Spurs is the bad results he had. Many points were lost vs weak teams, the team was very unstable.. Even if the overall results were positive, at some point you feel this isn't enough. I will take the example of Klopp and the current Liverpool bad results. No one could say anything about him because he is good but the situation in the club isn't good at all!
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September 09, 2022, 10:46:01 PM |
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As roma have suffered two defeats this week where they lost to udinese in Serie A and continued with a loss to Ludogorets in the Europa League. Dybala who was admired in the previous game was unable to do much against Ludogorets and this defeat should be a wake-up point for Roma against Empoli this week. It's definitely not funny to see Roma's recent streak of defeats. Empoli are also not an easy opponent to beat, but Roma have a good way of completing their mission to get their players' confidence back after those two defeats. Wish them all the best against Empoli, but Empoli will definitely not play weak in front of their own supporters. In my opinion, it is feared that Empoli will lose to Roma so that their bad record will continue. Roma have the potential to win this match even though the team's confidence is low after the recent two defeats. But I'm sure Mourinho has a way to get full points in that match. It is very disappointing Roma's performance in the last two matches played, after the defeat against Udinese. It turned out unexpectedly that Roma were defeated by Ludogorets, which Roma should be able to beat Ludogorets easily. I don't even know any Ludogorets players, meaning that Roma's players are much better than Ludogorets. Then what hurt Roma was Ludogorets scoring the winning goal in the last minute, looks like after Roma scored a goal in the 86th minute to make it draw, Roma's players lost concentration so Ludogorets could score the winning goal two minutes after Roma had scored. The defeat that was quite dramatic for Roma, hopefully Roma's bad results can stop soon, which when facing Empoli in the next match Roma can win. Empoli are indeed a weak team and have not won once in Serie A this season, but Empoli are unbeaten in the last 4 matches. This means that Roma must be careful when facing Empoli, and do not let Roma underestimate Empoli, it could make Roma lose points against Empoli. I believe Mourinho can motivate Roma players and can make Roma achieve positive results against Empoli in Serie A.
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Rengga Jati
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September 09, 2022, 11:00:51 PM |
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To win a match you don’t need to have 20+ shots. In order to win, you just need to score enough goals, and they were able to do that. No matter how many shots you have or how many shots you have on the target. As long as you are able to score more goals than your opponent, then that is all that matters. If you are able to do that, then you will be able to win. Does not matter how you do it.
We can see how accurate and effective the shots, are and how strong the defense from the opponent from the goals created. Yes, exactly, no matter how many shots are created, in fact in football match, the final result is the decision whether the team wins or lost or draws. This is about the point that must be gained in each match, every club must expect the maximum point in order to reach a higher rank or be in the rank without overtaken by thers. However, sometimes, certain clubs know their condition nd opponent. although they must try their effort as optimal as they can, they may be aware what they can do, they may expect for big wining always, but sometimes, at least, they want a drawn match when they meet a big or strong club.
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mv1986
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September 09, 2022, 11:12:43 PM |
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Morinho is very frustrated at the loss,but if he straightens and addresses the issues and problems that made him loose,he will be able to defeat Empoli,but if he neglects it,thesame tactics Udinese used in winning them will also be used and they will still defeat his team despite the record they have against Empoli.Roma was doing well this season,therefore,they shouldn't allow the defeat to affect them mentally,because if it does,it will be very bad for the team,and it will affect the moral of the team.
I trust Jose Mourinho in terms of his mentality as a coach, and I'm sure he will apply what he has to his team as well. Indeed the defeat was surprising and will definitely affect the team a bit. But I think Jose Mourinho will quickly get their mentality back for the next game. They must win the match in order to really restore the morale of the team. How can you trust Mourinho? My feeling is that he doesn't care all too much about the clubs he is managing. He has achieved so much that he knows it doesn't matter what the press says. I wish he could be the Mourinho we all know, but he has calmed down so much over the years. It is a fact. He was an icon, but he isn't anymore.
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Jody.Drummer
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September 09, 2022, 11:15:03 PM |
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Inter Milan is a totally unreliable team has spent a lot of money on super strong players and is losing games all the time sorry if I am very critical, but we Juventus fans are often in strong contrast with them
i don't really agree with you (saying that juve is better than milan) although so far milan have quite a lot of draws but that doesn't mean their performance is messed up so far milan shows a fairly stable performance in my opinion. The win from Inter last week is proof that they are a strong team next week milan will face sampdoria, milan will definitely win in that match You have to be able to see which is Inter Milan and which is AC Milan because @giammangiato said Inter Milan is not AC Milan. For AC Milan obviously they are better now and the proof is their position is better at the moment but when we talk about Inter it is clear they are under but in this case actually I still feel their performance is still early and it doesn't look like the game has been running for a while this.
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shogun47
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September 09, 2022, 11:21:52 PM |
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The result is predictable that without any problem Atalanta can win from Monza and while other big teams such as Inter, Milan or Juventus still struggle to find their best shape and unstable but Atalanta can managed their performance until week 5 and they deserved to get first position on standings league and i have to say compare to other teams on big 6 Atalanta schedules is more easy than them even for next week Atalanta will fight against another weak team Cremonese so 3 points probably will almost certainly belongs to them again
Atalanta is playing a solid season thus far. They have been doing well over the last couple of years given the financial possibilities they have. They are not the big standard name in Serie A and yet they are taken very seriously by the best clubs. Right now Serie A looks similarly interesting when compared to the Premier League. It's impossible to tell who the real favorite is for the title. Inter and Lazio have recently been losing points but still can't be crossed off the list for the favorites. Atalanta has never been a team you will mention and someone will scream, but it has been among the teams that can deny a team their full 3 points, especially when you are so sure of it. The club is known for their fighting spirit but this time around the fight came so early and I don't know how long they will have to enjoy at the top of the table. But at the end of the season they will not be at the top, but they could make europa league appearance. One noticeable treat about Atalanta is that most times they will not be able to win any trophy, they don't have the capacity to do so but they truly have the capability of stopping another club for achieving a title race, that is fall out of love with the club most times. Isn't that exactly what I said? I said that Atalanta is a team that can really cause pain to other teams. Now is it a team that can win the trophy? Probably not. but that doesn't mean they don't play a role in the fight for the trophy, they do! If you want to win it all, you also need to beat Atalanta, and that is when it becomes interesting. Beating Atalanta is not easy. This year is exciting anyway, there is no team that is set to win it all.
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September 09, 2022, 11:25:59 PM |
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Morinho is very frustrated at the loss,but if he straightens and addresses the issues and problems that made him loose,he will be able to defeat Empoli,but if he neglects it,thesame tactics Udinese used in winning them will also be used and they will still defeat his team despite the record they have against Empoli.Roma was doing well this season,therefore,they shouldn't allow the defeat to affect them mentally,because if it does,it will be very bad for the team,and it will affect the moral of the team.
I trust Jose Mourinho in terms of his mentality as a coach, and I'm sure he will apply what he has to his team as well. Indeed the defeat was surprising and will definitely affect the team a bit. But I think Jose Mourinho will quickly get their mentality back for the next game. They must win the match in order to really restore the morale of the team. How can you trust Mourinho? My feeling is that he doesn't care all too much about the clubs he is managing. He has achieved so much that he knows it doesn't matter what the press says. I wish he could be the Mourinho we all know, but he has calmed down so much over the years. It is a fact. He was an icon, but he isn't anymore. The era for mourinho has gone and he was the same like another ordinary coach for the football club right now. There's no a huge achievement like what he did in the past but expecting him to make the club has worst performance is not a good thing as well. How can you know if mourinho doesn't care with his club too much? So, if that was the point and why he was being hired as a coach? is not it the decision coming from his achievement in the past as well? Im sure that if the club was also trying to consider it as main thing to be considered.
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nurilham
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September 09, 2022, 11:40:09 PM |
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The era for mourinho has gone and he was the same like another ordinary coach for the football club right now. There's no a huge achievement like what he did in the past but expecting him to make the club has worst performance is not a good thing as well.
It is true, he is not a special one anymore. He already stated it, he is just an average coach. However, we cannot avoid the fact that he is still a professional coach, has charismatic, and has good potential to win titles. He shows it in AS Roma now, he builds this team very well. He even can lead AS Roma to win the title of UEFA Europa Conference League for the first time. He proves that he is still a great coach. I think it is also a huge achievement, don't call it as a small achievement.
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