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January 21, 2024, 03:30:16 PM
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Football is no longer beautiful to watch when there are still racist people in this era that is no longer appropriate. Humans can already have knowledge and still use their mouths to hurt the hearts of football fans. fans like that must be taught a lesson and even their favorite club needs to be given sanctions or warnings if they continue to do this. Because I am disappointed to see that the same thing always happens in Serie A. Now the victim is Maignan when AC Milan visited Udinese Headquarters. This person will ultimately ruin the reputation of Udinese fans and tarnish the Serie A competition, and if they continue to be racist, I'm sure people all over the world will become less and less interested in Serie A.
Unfortunately, we have seen similar things in Serie A in the past. Balotelli is the first example that comes to my mind. They were racist towards him too. It is very sad to see that the situation of the fans, who I expected to be better in Serie A, has not changed after what was done to him. I hope these should be put to an end because if it continues like this, it is clear that players of African origin will not choose Italy.

The case of Mario Balotelli being racially abused got to the point where he was no longer angry nor pained whenever they abused him because it got at of hand since they couldn't do anything to stop them fans from calling him all sort of names when ever he is on the pitch.
The only way to stop the rate of racist abuse on the black players is not only to make the fans to pay but a ban should be placed on any team that their fans is found guilty of racism cause most of the fans abuse the black players from Africa.

Banning the team would give a tremendous amount of power to those "fans" because they could go to a stadium and run false flag operations. If the team is supposed to suffer a points deduction or financial penalty while the perpetrators know that they will get away with it, this could lead to tremendous problems for the whole football environment.

I still don't understand why they can't just gear up their surveillance technology and get the fans to agree that in selective cases this surveillance technology is switched on in order to gather as much evidence as possible and draw all required consequences afterwards. In such a case, even if they don't catch everyone, but if someone is clearly identified for things like chanting like a monkey or throwing bananas or showing some poster with racist slogans, ban them for a lifetime and make it public.
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January 21, 2024, 03:38:15 PM
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Empoli leading Monza by three goals even with little of ball possession is a show of proper use of home advantage over their visitors, they got their first goal in the 13th minutes of the first half and their second goal in the 38th of the first half which I must say is a brilliant performance so far.

Now in the second half of the game, Empoli already got another goal which means they have secured a goal in both halves of the game, they have gone pass the 70th minutes of the game which is an indication that they now have a better chance to winning this game as Monza can't get a draw from this game even if they are having the best of performance so far but I know Empoli understands better the need to protect their goals so as to get three points by the end of this game which will be termed a deserving victory over their visitors.

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January 21, 2024, 04:09:25 PM
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Between Milan and Udinese, both teams have had quite a good record this season and they're sure were challenging to themselves, keeping the odds for the game aside. Udinese had the lesser chance of winning though but still they strived. If only they had tightened their defense line, then maybe they've had a better chance of stealing a point from the game.

 Udinese were the host, they had a good game yesterday and they tried to put enough pressure on their visitors too which was an extra boost to their confidence for the game. And for Milan, they also had a good game in the match and they were able to earn for themselves the three points in the game. For the two teams, it was only fair that the game ended with that result with just a goal margin. It works in both of their favours. At least there was time to fight hard and maximize experience too.
What a comeback!
AC Milan registered a lucky win against Udinese, who had fewer chances of winning. If it were a stronger team, AC Milan could have been punished. The performance against Udinese was below average, with players looking switched off at times. It was a weird second half, with misplaced passes and losing the ball easily. However, they fixed the errors and fought back until the end. A great surge at the end led to a comeback, and AC Milan ultimately secured a 3-2 victory.
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January 21, 2024, 04:21:56 PM
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For Daniele De Rossi, starting with a victory in front of his fans was certainly an excellent way to present himself as a coach, he had to win and he did, no matter how many goals he scored, the important thing is to win. but now we need to achieve continuity in results, Roma risk staying out of European cups, and given the enormous financial outlay made in recent years they cannot afford to fail this important objective. I'm curious to see how his Roma will play in important matches
As the coach who has just been appointed by Roma to replace Mourinho, the first victory achieved by his team is certainly very meaningful for De Rossi, but this victory does not prove anything because Verona is not a strong team in Serie A. De Rossi's duties after being officially appointed as Roma coach are still many, there are several demands that must be met, such as bringing Roma back to the top six and continuing to stay in the Europa League.

The tough challenge that De Rossi faces when accompanying Roma in the Europa League, his worthiness will be tested when Roma faces a strong team. Being eliminated from the Europa League was a failure for De Rossi because after officially firing Mourinho big hopes shifted to his shoulders.

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January 21, 2024, 04:28:33 PM
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Between Milan and Udinese, both teams have had quite a good record this season and they're sure were challenging to themselves, keeping the odds for the game aside. Udinese had the lesser chance of winning though but still they strived. If only they had tightened their defense line, then maybe they've had a better chance of stealing a point from the game.

 Udinese were the host, they had a good game yesterday and they tried to put enough pressure on their visitors too which was an extra boost to their confidence for the game. And for Milan, they also had a good game in the match and they were able to earn for themselves the three points in the game. For the two teams, it was only fair that the game ended with that result with just a goal margin. It works in both of their favours. At least there was time to fight hard and maximize experience too.
What a comeback!
AC Milan registered a lucky win against Udinese, who had fewer chances of winning. If it were a stronger team, AC Milan could have been punished. The performance against Udinese was below average, with players looking switched off at times. It was a weird second half, with misplaced passes and losing the ball easily. However, they fixed the errors and fought back until the end. A great surge at the end led to a comeback, and AC Milan ultimately secured a 3-2 victory.

In essence, Milan have a mission to take revenge too because after all, in their first meeting this season also the fact that Milan lost by Udinese with a score of 1-0. Therefore, in this match Milan had good dominance even though it was still not easy for Milan to win but yes, with great efforts made it gave maximum results for Milan in the match until finally Milan got three points as expected. With the achievement of these three points certainly makes Milan remain strong in the third position of the current Serie A standings this moment but about Udinese, it is clear that Udinese still has to work harder to be able to continue to stay away from the relegation zone.

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January 21, 2024, 04:48:32 PM
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As the coach who has just been appointed by Roma to replace Mourinho, the first victory achieved by his team is certainly very meaningful for De Rossi, but this victory does not prove anything because Verona is not a strong team in Serie A. De Rossi's duties after being officially appointed as Roma coach are still many, there are several demands that must be met, such as bringing Roma back to the top six and continuing to stay in the Europa League.

The tough challenge that De Rossi faces when accompanying Roma in the Europa League, his worthiness will be tested when Roma faces a strong team. Being eliminated from the Europa League was a failure for De Rossi because after officially firing Mourinho big hopes shifted to his shoulders.
Even though there were doubts he managed to give his first win in the match against Hellas Verona. Lukaku and Pallegrini managed to save De Rossi in their first match because they managed to lock up three points in the match. Initially, many people doubted De Rossi's abilities because he was not a proven coach and even though this match did not prove anything because the opponent he faced was weak, I think this was a good step.

De Rossi was only appointed as interim coach and I am sure he does not have a heavy burden on this matter. The Europa League will probably be a good show for him to prove himself and even though it is difficult I think his chances are also great, as long as he is able to do as he did in this match.
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January 21, 2024, 05:11:37 PM
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As the coach who has just been appointed by Roma to replace Mourinho, the first victory achieved by his team is certainly very meaningful for De Rossi, but this victory does not prove anything because Verona is not a strong team in Serie A. De Rossi's duties after being officially appointed as Roma coach are still many, there are several demands that must be met, such as bringing Roma back to the top six and continuing to stay in the Europa League.

The tough challenge that De Rossi faces when accompanying Roma in the Europa League, his worthiness will be tested when Roma faces a strong team. Being eliminated from the Europa League was a failure for De Rossi because after officially firing Mourinho big hopes shifted to his shoulders.
Even though there were doubts he managed to give his first win in the match against Hellas Verona. Lukaku and Pallegrini managed to save De Rossi in their first match because they managed to lock up three points in the match. Initially, many people doubted De Rossi's abilities because he was not a proven coach and even though this match did not prove anything because the opponent he faced was weak, I think this was a good step.

De Rossi was only appointed as interim coach and I am sure he does not have a heavy burden on this matter. The Europa League will probably be a good show for him to prove himself and even though it is difficult I think his chances are also great, as long as he is able to do as he did in this match.

Well Verona is near relegation spots if not in relegation spots as I have not seen the standings lately so it was expected of Roma to win no matter that they just had changed coach.The real test for Roma will be in Europe where they will look again to go further in the European competition they are playing trying to repeat the success that they had with Mourinho and honestly I did not understand the firing of this coach when he was the most successful of coaches for Roma since the times of Capello who won the title of Serie A with them,not the best move I would say and they will feel the impact in the long run unfortunately for them.

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January 21, 2024, 05:30:02 PM
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The match between Frosinone vs Cagliari in the Italian League has already started. Now the Frosinone team is leading by 2 goals. On the other hand, Cagliari has scored 1 goal. The Cagliari team scored the first goal in the first 26 minutes of the game. The Frosinone team did not play well at first in this match.  However, after halftime, up to 2 goals have been scored.L.  Mazzitelli scored the 1st goal in 64 minutes.M.  Soulé scored the 2nd goal in 75 minutes. Now if Cagliari team can score 1 goal then the match will be draw. But Cagliari team players may not score because of bad performance.
It was a bad day for cagliari caused by it must be facing a pathetic comeback from frosinine. In fact, cagliari has been leading the game but it could not keep its consistency. Cagliari needs to put more effort in making the situation even better caused by the club has been bottling in the match against frosinone. It was a very sad moment for cagliari caused by frosinone was able making strong comeback against it. Cagliari sucks and this club deserved to be relegated to the lower division. Frosinone was dominating the game and i did appreaciate that.
It was a surprise comeback from frosinone and this is what cagliari looking for to lose three points after it was leading the match.   Angry

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January 21, 2024, 05:48:45 PM
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Between Milan and Udinese, both teams have had quite a good record this season and they're sure were challenging to themselves, keeping the odds for the game aside. Udinese had the lesser chance of winning though but still they strived. If only they had tightened their defense line, then maybe they've had a better chance of stealing a point from the game.

 Udinese were the host, they had a good game yesterday and they tried to put enough pressure on their visitors too which was an extra boost to their confidence for the game. And for Milan, they also had a good game in the match and they were able to earn for themselves the three points in the game. For the two teams, it was only fair that the game ended with that result with just a goal margin. It works in both of their favours. At least there was time to fight hard and maximize experience too.
What a comeback!
AC Milan registered a lucky win against Udinese, who had fewer chances of winning. If it were a stronger team, AC Milan could have been punished. The performance against Udinese was below average, with players looking switched off at times. It was a weird second half, with misplaced passes and losing the ball easily. However, they fixed the errors and fought back until the end. A great surge at the end led to a comeback, and AC Milan ultimately secured a 3-2 victory.

In essence, Milan have a mission to take revenge too because after all, in their first meeting this season also the fact that Milan lost by Udinese with a score of 1-0. Therefore, in this match Milan had good dominance even though it was still not easy for Milan to win but yes, with great efforts made it gave maximum results for Milan in the match until finally Milan got three points as expected. With the achievement of these three points certainly makes Milan remain strong in the third position of the current Serie A standings this moment but about Udinese, it is clear that Udinese still has to work harder to be able to continue to stay away from the relegation zone.

The performance from Milan seems to have improved in recent times. Because they have been pretty consistent in the past several weeks. And Even though I also agree that the last win that they got, in the match against udinese , I have to say they have definitely played well. And it's not like they absolutely got lucky. They had the control of the ball for much longer period of time compared to their opponent. But scoring on the 93rd minute of the match to win the matches definitely something of a luck for the team in my opinion. But when a team is trying so hard, I think they are supposed to be a little lucky.
Udinese is working hard to stay out of the relegation zone. But they are not clear of the danger.

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January 21, 2024, 06:24:38 PM
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However, the doubts that previously plagued De Rossi as Roma's new coach were paid off with a winning debut in charge of Roma and they managed to prove it by sending Verona home with a score of 2-1. I think the Roma public are very happy to welcome De Rossi's first win with the Roma squad and they did it at home. Lukaku and Pellegrini were the two players who managed to score goals in this match and at the same time helped Roma win 3 points.

But one thing that I really regret is that Roma couldn't increase their goal lead in the second half because Verona had shortened Roma's lead through a goal they scored in the 76th minute. What would happen if it ended in a draw and wouldn't that be detrimental for Roma? So yes, they have to emphasize the importance of widening the gap in the next match. Verona had several opportunities, including through a penalty kick, but unfortunately failed to score. Despite all that, Roma won again after never winning in the previous 3 matches.
Im overjoyed by De Rossi's Roma debut win! This is a breath of fresh air and a confidence boost for the team, especially following his appointment's uncertainty. Though hardly a landslide, the win over Verona is a good start. Even small triumphs are vital for momentum, in my opinion. Roma's second-half performance is concerning. The game almost got away with Verona's late goal, but they must keep their lead. Lets be positive and watch how Roma does against Salernitana and Cagliari, which should be wins.

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January 21, 2024, 06:36:12 PM
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Im overjoyed by De Rossi's Roma debut win! This is a breath of fresh air and a confidence boost for the team, especially following his appointment's uncertainty. Though hardly a landslide, the win over Verona is a good start. Even small triumphs are vital for momentum, in my opinion. Roma's second-half performance is concerning. The game almost got away with Verona's late goal, but they must keep their lead. Lets be positive and watch how Roma does against Salernitana and Cagliari, which should be wins.
Talking about positivity, AS Roma have spot in the top four if only they're serious enough to meet up the competitive run and maintain streak winnings in matches. I'm not confident enough to see the new coach succeed in AS Roma, besides his first game was against an average side that couldn't become any solid threat for the club. Daniele De Rossi is just starting and he needs all the possible support he could get because he's one of the top coaches that fits to replace José Mourinho who carry the team to next level before his dismissal.

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January 21, 2024, 06:56:58 PM
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You are on the right track my friend and there is no other reason not to bet on Juventus. The team is in impressive form and despite losing two of its main players due to injury the possibility of winning is still wide open for Juventus. As hosts, Lecce will not make a significant difference and the La Vechia Signora squad will show more motivation to win again in Week 21.

Maybe if Juventus' defense could be stronger it would be more impossible for Lecce to break into Juventus' goal and I think this is more like a narrow 0-1 win for Juventus. Vlahovic is on fire, especially since he is the only focus of attack in this match. I will bet on Juventus winning and maybe an over goals result is not recommended in a match like this.
Don't believe too much bro, even in the Bundesliga there has just been an unexpected surprise from a big team, even La Liga also seems to be getting a surprise when a big team loses to a weak team.

I really understand that Vlahovic is in very good shape and is very ambitious to continue scoring but without another main player Vlahovic will not have strong chemistry and for me it would be better to bet on the BTTS line.
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January 21, 2024, 07:01:39 PM
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Im overjoyed by De Rossi's Roma debut win! This is a breath of fresh air and a confidence boost for the team, especially following his appointment's uncertainty. Though hardly a landslide, the win over Verona is a good start. Even small triumphs are vital for momentum, in my opinion. Roma's second-half performance is concerning. The game almost got away with Verona's late goal, but they must keep their lead. Lets be positive and watch how Roma does against Salernitana and Cagliari, which should be wins.
Talking about positivity, AS Roma have spot in the top four if only they're serious enough to meet up the competitive run and maintain streak winnings in matches. I'm not confident enough to see the new coach succeed in AS Roma, besides his first game was against an average side that couldn't become any solid threat for the club. Daniele De Rossi is just starting and he needs all the possible support he could get because he's one of the top coaches that fits to replace José Mourinho who carry the team to next level before his dismissal.

In fact, with Mourinho also the reality is that AS Roma failed to be in the top four, so ya, because at this moment AS Roma only appointed De Rossi as head coach, of course there is nothing to expect regarding the top four position. Also, the victory against Verona cannot completely guarantee that AS Roma will get good results in the future. Although indeed, at least in the next two matches against Salernitana and Cagliari at least AS Roma still has a chance to win but ya, after these two matches I sure De Rossi will not maintain his winning streak.

But let's just wait and see, whether against Salernitana and Cagliari later De Rossi will still be able to maintain good results for AS Roma or not . Because ya, at least Salernitana can sometimes play with very good resistance and therefore ofcourse, it will always be difficult to produce consistent results.

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January 21, 2024, 07:08:19 PM
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Im overjoyed by De Rossi's Roma debut win! This is a breath of fresh air and a confidence boost for the team, especially following his appointment's uncertainty. Though hardly a landslide, the win over Verona is a good start. Even small triumphs are vital for momentum, in my opinion. Roma's second-half performance is concerning. The game almost got away with Verona's late goal, but they must keep their lead. Lets be positive and watch how Roma does against Salernitana and Cagliari, which should be wins.
Talking about positivity, AS Roma have spot in the top four if only they're serious enough to meet up the competitive run and maintain streak winnings in matches. I'm not confident enough to see the new coach succeed in AS Roma, besides his first game was against an average side that couldn't become any solid threat for the club. Daniele De Rossi is just starting and he needs all the possible support he could get because he's one of the top coaches that fits to replace José Mourinho who carry the team to next level before his dismissal.
De Rossi managed to record his first win with Roma after taking over the position previously held by Mourinho. It is understandable why many people still doubt his quality, because in terms of experience De Rossi is very far from Mourinho, but that doesn't mean he can't be expected at all, there is still hope that Roma can finish in the Champions League zone at the end of the season. However, everything still requires a process, including adapting his strategy and approach to the players. It is true that De Rossi needs big support to bring Roma back to consistency so they can break into the top four.

A good start by successfully beating Verona, we understand that Verona is not a tough opponent, so Roma can secure the 3 points according to their target. On the other hand, Serie A still has 17 matches remaining, and Roma will face several tough teams in the future, Salernitana and Cagliari are mediocre clubs, so they can finish it easily. However, we want to see how capable De Rossi is of bringing Roma up against a stronger team, if he succeeds in doing so, I think he is worthy of replacing Mourinho.

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January 21, 2024, 07:19:59 PM
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Between Milan and Udinese, both teams have had quite a good record this season and they're sure were challenging to themselves, keeping the odds for the game aside. Udinese had the lesser chance of winning though but still they strived. If only they had tightened their defense line, then maybe they've had a better chance of stealing a point from the game.

 Udinese were the host, they had a good game yesterday and they tried to put enough pressure on their visitors too which was an extra boost to their confidence for the game. And for Milan, they also had a good game in the match and they were able to earn for themselves the three points in the game. For the two teams, it was only fair that the game ended with that result with just a goal margin. It works in both of their favours. At least there was time to fight hard and maximize experience too.
What a comeback!
AC Milan registered a lucky win against Udinese, who had fewer chances of winning. If it were a stronger team, AC Milan could have been punished. The performance against Udinese was below average, with players looking switched off at times. It was a weird second half, with misplaced passes and losing the ball easily. However, they fixed the errors and fought back until the end. A great surge at the end led to a comeback, and AC Milan ultimately secured a 3-2 victory.

In essence, Milan have a mission to take revenge too because after all, in their first meeting this season also the fact that Milan lost by Udinese with a score of 1-0. Therefore, in this match Milan had good dominance even though it was still not easy for Milan to win but yes, with great efforts made it gave maximum results for Milan in the match until finally Milan got three points as expected. With the achievement of these three points certainly makes Milan remain strong in the third position of the current Serie A standings this moment but about Udinese, it is clear that Udinese still has to work harder to be able to continue to stay away from the relegation zone.
It's good to see Milan getting back to winning days. 7W - 2D - 1L in the last 10 games. Milan have won their last 4 games. This season we even saw Theo Hernández playing as a stopper due to injuries. It's very difficult to catch Inter and Juventus after this time, but at least we hope to continue and finish in a manner befitting Milan. Maignan is not a goalkeeper who would normally concede the first goal, but the racism he suffered demoralised him and made him lose concentration. I don't think Milan should have taken the field until the stands were cleared. Although the fact that the last minute goal came from behind the goal must have caused them more pain. Inter is playing very solid this season, but Juve seems to continue with more individual achievements. Juve's game doesn't inspire as much confidence as Inter. Milan can catch them in a possible point loss
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January 21, 2024, 07:21:23 PM
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Even though there were doubts he managed to give his first win in the match against Hellas Verona. Lukaku and Pallegrini managed to save De Rossi in their first match because they managed to lock up three points in the match. Initially, many people doubted De Rossi's abilities because he was not a proven coach and even though this match did not prove anything because the opponent he faced was weak, I think this was a good step.

De Rossi was only appointed as interim coach and I am sure he does not have a heavy burden on this matter. The Europa League will probably be a good show for him to prove himself and even though it is difficult I think his chances are also great, as long as he is able to do as he did in this match.
Well Verona is near relegation spots if not in relegation spots as I have not seen the standings lately so it was expected of Roma to win no matter that they just had changed coach.The real test for Roma will be in Europe where they will look again to go further in the European competition they are playing trying to repeat the success that they had with Mourinho and honestly I did not understand the firing of this coach when he was the most successful of coaches for Roma since the times of Capello who won the title of Serie A with them,not the best move I would say and they will feel the impact in the long run unfortunately for them.
Getting to further places in Europe would be good but I do not think that it will be all that simple for that much. I hope that we could consider the situation they are in which would be all that much more difficult, that should be considering it a lot better. I hope that Roma could get better at the league, that is the most important thing for them, they are not looking like fourth is possible but fifth could be possible for them.

I hope that Mourinho sacking would not become something that would be troubled for them. If they regret it later on, that would be a lot worse for them, they should consider it a lot more and maybe it would not be favoured if they do end up with a bad result, fans may get angry about it.

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January 21, 2024, 07:24:07 PM
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Crazy game for Milan.
The were losing until 85' but they managed to win at 93'.

They are still in race for Scudetto, kinda.


Milan continues to make me crazy, dear compatriot, it`s driving me crazy
I think I will avoid betting on Milan for a couple of weeks, on paper they are totally superior to Udinese and they also risk losing!!
An indecipherable team in terms of performance, like Inter many years ago

They win in the end, but so risky

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January 21, 2024, 07:38:45 PM
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Crazy game for Milan.
The were losing until 85' but they managed to win at 93'.

They are still in race for Scudetto, kinda.
Milan continues to make me crazy, dear compatriot, it`s driving me crazy
I think I will avoid betting on Milan for a couple of weeks, on paper they are totally superior to Udinese and they also risk losing!!
An indecipherable team in terms of performance, like Inter many years ago

They win in the end, but so risky

Milan trailed 2-1 in the match until the 80th minute. I thought at most they would be able to draw the match. Because after scoring 2 goals, Udinese tightened their defense. So it was difficult for the Milan players to score after a very good performance. But in the end AC Milan managed to win the match. They earn 3 points. Luka Jovic's goal in the 83rd minute tied the match at 2-2. And Milan managed to win the match after 90 minutes with Okafor's goal.

Even after winning this match, there is no change in the position of Milan in the points table. I don't even see the possibility of this team winning the title. At the same time, despite performing poorly in a few matches, there is no possibility for them to get out of the Champions League zone.

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January 21, 2024, 07:42:42 PM
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January 21, 2024, 07:44:12 PM
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Crazy game for Milan.
The were losing until 85' but they managed to win at 93'.

They are still in race for Scudetto, kinda.


Milan continues to make me crazy, dear compatriot, it`s driving me crazy
I think I will avoid betting on Milan for a couple of weeks, on paper they are totally superior to Udinese and they also risk losing!!
An indecipherable team in terms of performance, like Inter many years ago

They win in the end, but so risky

I'm more than impressed with Stefano Pioli and his side because good or bad, credits or wrongs must first be pointed at the head coach of the club, and since they got knockout of the competition, they haven't really lost too much games and in between the games they play have seen much of togetherness, consistency and upgrades.

Players like Loftus Cheek and Pulisic are my biggest motivation. If they can improve drastically from what they was at Chelsea, then anybody can go from zero to hero if they put in work and keep on believing in themselves.
Juventus game kicked off already, everybody winning, I hope they don't slack tonight. Max Allegri doing a wonderful job for the Old Ladies.

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