Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[puloweh555]

the budesliga this year seemed to be a little different compared to the other times but in the end it proved to be the same and is taking the same pace, in fact now, bayern munich is first and is doing very well, i believe that this year however there will be a return of borussia dortmund who are doing really well and i hope so.

Borussia Dortmund failed to capitalize on accumulating more posts ahead of Bayern Munich after their two consecutive draw games against Werder Bremen and Union Berlin and now they are at a tie with Bayern securing the second position in the league.

Bayern seems to have found themselves again after their victory over Leipzig, so Dortmund would need more consistency with every game to stay ahead of Bayern and win the league. It would be a big motivator for them to win the title again after 14 seasons, quick a huge number.

After the big win against Leipzig, of course this will make Munich regain their confidence to stay consistent. Especially since at the same time they also managed to take the top spot in the standings from Dortmund after Dortmund consecutively dropped points in their last two matches against Werder Bremen and Union Berlin.

And even though currently both teams have the same 14 points, the next two matches will be crucial for Dortmund to see if they are still ready to compete with Munich or if they will just widen the point gap with Munich. Because in the next two matches Dortmund will face tough games they will go up against Frankfurt who always give Dortmund a hard time and Munich at the beginning of next month.

[Tongley]

the budesliga this year seemed to be a little different compared to the other times but in the end it proved to be the same and is taking the same pace, in fact now, bayern munich is first and is doing very well, i believe that this year however there will be a return of borussia dortmund who are doing really well and i hope so.

We know how dominant Munich is in the Bundesliga, but we also know there are teams that are actually capable of being strong contenders against Munich. It is just that most teams cannot remain consistent throughout the season. We can see many teams performing well at the beginning of the season, but gradually their performance declines and they eventually fall out of the competition. This season, hopefully, there is a team ready to compete until the end of the season. Perhaps Dortmund or Leverkusen.

Leverkusen even deserves more accolade than Dortmund because they seem to be the real dark horse in the league. They only drew one in their last five games and look at how they played against Freiburg, they have 13 points and doing bumper to bumper following on the table. I think Leverkusen will likely be the one that will push the act of chasing Bayern in the league this season, Dortmund will do what they know how to do best when it matters the most, which is look serious and then drop points in games they should nornally win.

You’re right man Dortmund does have this problem. They manage to win difficult matches, yet they end up losing the easy ones. That’s what surprises me most about Dortmund. I don’t recall exactly which year it was though it was fairly recent but the title was in their hands right up until the final match a win would have secured the championship, yet they dropped points in that last game and essentially handed the title to Bayern Munich. I hope Leverkusen can manage to stop Bayern Munich from winning the league.

Dortmund often underestimates small teams and they are not always able to use their tactics. For example, one type of strategy is used against a big team and another type of strategy is used against a small team. For example, when fighting a small team, they have to be patient and create opportunities for attack for a long time and sometimes they cannot hold the ball and they concede goals because of underestimating them. If a team is underestimated, then of course that team has a much higher chance of winning. Because the opponent is underestimating them and thinking that, they are creating many opportunities and it becomes much easier for the opponent to attack.

[Alex077]

We know how dominant Munich is in the Bundesliga, but we also know there are teams that are actually capable of being strong contenders against Munich. It is just that most teams cannot remain consistent throughout the season. We can see many teams performing well at the beginning of the season, but gradually their performance declines and they eventually fall out of the competition. This season, hopefully, there is a team ready to compete until the end of the season. Perhaps Dortmund or Leverkusen.

Harsh truth is that there is no squad in Bundesliga capable of challenging Munich. Every other club lags far behind Bayern financially and their squad are comparatively weaker. Munich spends vast sum of money to build their squad ahead of every season. Team like Dortmund and Leipzig often perform well at start of season. However, as the season progress, Munich grows stronger, while other team lose their momentum. It would not be any exaggeration to call Bayer Leverkusen’s title win in 2023 was a miracle. They pulled off surprise for one season under the guidance of Xabi Alonso, only to fade away immediately afterward.

[EarnOnVictor]

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I share your view, but at the same time, anything can happen, but Bayern must make a lot of mistakes for that to happen, for this, it's slim because they understand the local league game very well. As a matter of fact, that's what most people want, there should be a little distortion from what's happening in Bundesliga. It has been Bayern all the time, so it's kinda boring, unlike what's happening in some major leagues now, where others would take the lead, regardless of whether it's for a season or two.

Bayern would have to make a lot of mistakes and the other teams would have to prevent too many mistakes from happening. The problem in the Bundesliga isn't that Bayern is never making mistakes, it is that all other teams are making mistakes all the time. Bayern beats Union Berlin 7-0 and Dortmund ties their match 0-0, I think that sums up the whole story very well. The distance is too big, it's financially and then consequently, the overall quality. When you just take Kane, Diaz and Olise and compare that trio to any of the strikers from other Bundesliga teams, I think it says it all. You almost never get to see these strong outlier results like 6-1 or 7-0 or similar results for any of Bayern's competitors whereas for Bayern whereas for Bayern this is quite normal sometimes.

When Bayer Leverkusen had this exceptional season, it was a time when Bayern got tired because Leverkusen didn't make mistakes. Now it's like Bayern makes a mistake, but they can rely on mistakes from others. There is no pressure for them.

You understand what's going on in Bundesliga, to say the least, and it's true that Bayern makes mistakes, and as a matter of fact, every club make mistakes at some point, but if the mistake is minimal and your opponent is making larger mistakes, it automatically means that yours would be easily cancelled out by theirs, while the remainder would be to your advantage. That has helped Bayern a lot, plus the good players of the club; they've been able to overwhelm all other clubs. Even when Leverkusen was able to make a difference, they (Leverkusen) were not without mistakes, but they only kept it minimal. However, I don't always give clubs financial excuses, as we've seen clubs that spent far less winning trophies.

[RockBell]

Dortmund often underestimates small teams and they are not always able to use their tactics. For example, one type of strategy is used against a big team and another type of strategy is used against a small team. For example, when fighting a small team, they have to be patient and create opportunities for attack for a long time and sometimes they cannot hold the ball and they concede goals because of underestimating them. If a team is underestimated, then of course that team has a much higher chance of winning. Because the opponent is underestimating them and thinking that, they are creating many opportunities and it becomes much easier for the opponent to attack.

I just know Dortmund will not stay long at the top of the table because they are not ready yet, and the moment a club starts to underestimate their opponent, then their probability of winning becomes difficult because the opponent will use that against them, and now they have the same points as Bayern Munich, and the funny thing is that there is no way that Dortmund can win the league because Bayern was only borrowing them, and now the tables have turned. And we all saw what Bayern Munich did in their last game, bro, those guys are dangerous, and Bayern is going to be meeting Arsenal in the Champions League. I cannot wait.

[W Jr.]

Dortmund often underestimates small teams and they are not always able to use their tactics. For example, one type of strategy is used against a big team and another type of strategy is used against a small team. For example, when fighting a small team, they have to be patient and create opportunities for attack for a long time and sometimes they cannot hold the ball and they concede goals because of underestimating them. If a team is underestimated, then of course that team has a much higher chance of winning. Because the opponent is underestimating them and thinking that, they are creating many opportunities and it becomes much easier for the opponent to attack.

I just know Dortmund will not stay long at the top of the table because they are not ready yet, and the moment a club starts to underestimate their opponent, then their probability of winning becomes difficult because the opponent will use that against them, and now they have the same points as Bayern Munich, and the funny thing is that there is no way that Dortmund can win the league because Bayern was only borrowing them, and now the tables have turned. And we all saw what Bayern Munich did in their last game, bro, those guys are dangerous, and Bayern is going to be meeting Arsenal in the Champions League. I cannot wait.

Dortmund should have capitalized on their time at the top of the league, but they failed to do so and dropped points against weaker teams. Now that Bayern Munich has reclaimed the lead, I don’t believe they will relinquish the top spot in the Bundesliga to anyone else. There will be tough matches in the Champions League as well, but Bayern Munich’s deep squad is capable of winning any tournament.

[len01]

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Bayern would have to make a lot of mistakes and the other teams would have to prevent too many mistakes from happening. The problem in the Bundesliga isn't that Bayern is never making mistakes, it is that all other teams are making mistakes all the time. Bayern beats Union Berlin 7-0 and Dortmund ties their match 0-0, I think that sums up the whole story very well. The distance is too big, it's financially and then consequently, the overall quality. When you just take Kane, Diaz and Olise and compare that trio to any of the strikers from other Bundesliga teams, I think it says it all. You almost never get to see these strong outlier results like 6-1 or 7-0 or similar results for any of Bayern's competitors whereas for Bayern whereas for Bayern this is quite normal sometimes.

When Bayer Leverkusen had this exceptional season, it was a time when Bayern got tired because Leverkusen didn't make mistakes. Now it's like Bayern makes a mistake, but they can rely on mistakes from others. There is no pressure for them.

When Leverkusen won the bundesliga title, Bayern made a lot of mistakes, while Leverkusen remained more consistent. Even though Leverkusen had 6 draws, they never suffered a defeat. So, I fully agree with @EarnOnVictor's statement.

Regarding Bayern managing to score 7 goals while Dortmund could only get a draw, I don't think that was necessarily a mistake. Dortmund were simply trying to be more consistent rather than risk coming away with no points at all. Leverkusen did the same thing in the past. But, Bayern are still very strong this season, which is why Dortmund remain behind them.

[Rashlyowl]

Dortmund are playing against Azerbaijani champions Sabah in an away game tomorrow. Hopefully they will be able to break the bad spell, but Sabah will have the home advantage, so it might not be that easy.

It feels awkward to see Borussia Dortmund unable to take the lead early in the game, but the fact is they simply cannot. The first half has concluded with the score at 1 - 1, regardless of the fact that Borussia Dortmund is playing an away game, the score should not look like this, I had initially expected Borussia Dortmund to be up by two goals by the end of the first half alone.

[Primark]

We know how dominant Munich is in the Bundesliga, but we also know there are teams that are actually capable of being strong contenders against Munich. It is just that most teams cannot remain consistent throughout the season. We can see many teams performing well at the beginning of the season, but gradually their performance declines and they eventually fall out of the competition. This season, hopefully, there is a team ready to compete until the end of the season. Perhaps Dortmund or Leverkusen.

Harsh truth is that there is no squad in Bundesliga capable of challenging Munich. Every other club lags far behind Bayern financially and their squad are comparatively weaker. Munich spends vast sum of money to build their squad ahead of every season. Team like Dortmund and Leipzig often perform well at start of season. However, as the season progress, Munich grows stronger, while other team lose their momentum. It would not be any exaggeration to call Bayer Leverkusen’s title win in 2023 was a miracle. They pulled off surprise for one season under the guidance of Xabi Alonso, only to fade away immediately afterward.

Sometimes I get annoyed by this statement. Because almost everyone says the same thing. Of course, they have a point in their words that it is not easy to challenge Bayern Munich. Especially after playing the match against Leipzig, they have proven again and again how dangerous their attack is. However, I will not be excited and come to the conclusion that there is absolutely no one to challenge Bayern Munich. Along with Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund have both finished 6 matches and their two teams have 14 points. This means that Bayern has not yet been able to create a big point gap in the fight for the title.

[ChocolateBitcoinK]

Dortmund often underestimates small teams and they are not always able to use their tactics. For example, one type of strategy is used against a big team and another type of strategy is used against a small team. For example, when fighting a small team, they have to be patient and create opportunities for attack for a long time and sometimes they cannot hold the ball and they concede goals because of underestimating them. If a team is underestimated, then of course that team has a much higher chance of winning. Because the opponent is underestimating them and thinking that, they are creating many opportunities and it becomes much easier for the opponent to attack.

I just know Dortmund will not stay long at the top of the table because they are not ready yet, and the moment a club starts to underestimate their opponent, then their probability of winning becomes difficult because the opponent will use that against them, and now they have the same points as Bayern Munich, and the funny thing is that there is no way that Dortmund can win the league because Bayern was only borrowing them, and now the tables have turned. And we all saw what Bayern Munich did in their last game, bro, those guys are dangerous, and Bayern is going to be meeting Arsenal in the Champions League. I cannot wait.

Dortmund should have capitalized on their time at the top of the league, but they failed to do so and dropped points against weaker teams. Now that Bayern Munich has reclaimed the lead, I don’t believe they will relinquish the top spot in the Bundesliga to anyone else. There will be tough matches in the Champions League as well, but Bayern Munich’s deep squad is capable of winning any tournament.

Yes, Dortmund unexpectedly dropped points in the match. They were expected to win the match easily and stay at the top, but Borussia Dortmund's 0-0 draw against a weak team like Union Berlin was an unexpected result. Now that they have lost the top spot and in the same point with bayern, they will start to fall further behind, because even if they win the next match in the league easily, the next match will be against Bayern Munich, and Bayern is more likely to win there, and so Borussia Dortmund will lose 3 points there and fall 3 points behind Bayern. However, since the issue of winning the title is very difficult, and so there is no need to worry too much here, the Bundesliga title will be easily won by Bayern Munich, and in the case of Bayern, the think now is what they can do in the Champions League, Bayern does not have much dominance in the Champions League, but let's see what happens this season.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well for me it wasn’t that clear before the game. After two such weak performances, I didn’t expect Bayern to dominate like that. Leipzig isn’t exactly a small team either, they may not be on par with the best in the world but they’re certainly stronger than the average European team.

When Bayern tied against Viking FK 3–3, I actually expected a close game against Leipzig this weekend but they really did dominate. I was surprised, though, if I’d been as sure as you were, I would’ve bet a very large sum on them for a handicap win

I really didn't think Leipzig would do so badly. It was something I never thought could happen to them. Bayern completely crushed their morale. It won't be easy to recover from that defeat on their feet, because their reputation will be shattered.

What Leipzig needs to do is keep moving forward, keep their heads held high, and work on improving all those mistakes, because 6 goals is a lot. What Leipzig needs to do now is slow down the tide of that defeat; it won't be easy.

[SmartCharpa]

Dortmund often underestimates small teams and they are not always able to use their tactics. For example, one type of strategy is used against a big team and another type of strategy is used against a small team. For example, when fighting a small team, they have to be patient and create opportunities for attack for a long time and sometimes they cannot hold the ball and they concede goals because of underestimating them. If a team is underestimated, then of course that team has a much higher chance of winning. Because the opponent is underestimating them and thinking that, they are creating many opportunities and it becomes much easier for the opponent to attack.

I just know Dortmund will not stay long at the top of the table because they are not ready yet, and the moment a club starts to underestimate their opponent, then their probability of winning becomes difficult because the opponent will use that against them, and now they have the same points as Bayern Munich, and the funny thing is that there is no way that Dortmund can win the league because Bayern was only borrowing them, and now the tables have turned. And we all saw what Bayern Munich did in their last game, bro, those guys are dangerous, and Bayern is going to be meeting Arsenal in the Champions League. I cannot wait.

After Dortmund bottled their last two matches at home, many people were saying Dortmund would bounce back and start winning their games. We all know that Dortmund do not have the quality to maintain the top of the Bundesliga for the rest of the season. Bayern Munich have returned back to the top of the table after struggling in recent matches. Bayern Munich will do everything within their power to start at the top of the league, I don’t see any team that can stop them anytime soon.

If you watch Dortmund recent performance in all competitions, I don’t think you will expect them to compete for the title this season. They were lucky to win the Champions League match against Sabah, they almost bottled the lead, but unlucky Sabah player missed the change in the last minute.

[mv1986]

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I really didn't think Leipzig would do so badly. It was something I never thought could happen to them. Bayern completely crushed their morale. It won't be easy to recover from that defeat on their feet, because their reputation will be shattered.

What Leipzig needs to do is keep moving forward, keep their heads held high, and work on improving all those mistakes, because 6 goals is a lot. What Leipzig needs to do now is slow down the tide of that defeat; it won't be easy.

"I never thought could happen to them" demonstrates a lack of historical knowledge I know what you are saying and I had this discussion with @KTChampions, because I thought Leipzig wouldn't get trashed like that, too. However, it is not like I would rule it completely out. Bayern has beaten many solid Bundesliga teams like that before and once they have a good day, Bayern is like a train you can't stop. Every shot a goal, every pass hits the perfect little space, and the only counter a team like Leipzig would have then is to attack themselves and show their own class. But the same as last year Leipzig, totally fell under the bus, did not attack back, just accepted what's happening to them.

[Nwadiche]

I just know Dortmund will not stay long at the top of the table because they are not ready yet, and the moment a club starts to underestimate their opponent, then their probability of winning becomes difficult because the opponent will use that against them, and now they have the same points as Bayern Munich, and the funny thing is that there is no way that Dortmund can win the league because Bayern was only borrowing them, and now the tables have turned. And we all saw what Bayern Munich did in their last game, bro, those guys are dangerous, and Bayern is going to be meeting Arsenal in the Champions League. I cannot wait.

I agree with you, in this life isn't good to look down on someone. Dortmund underestimated their opponent's which led to sharing 3 points that they where meant to have. For now Dortmund is ready of winning their league,  i think they're just doing business with the club for now, Dortmund have sold most of their talented players to other clubs right now those players are performing very well. Instead of them to keep their players and be a title contender they'll sold them out to other big clubs. Anyone who thought that Dortmund will stable in league title is making a mistake because this not their first time of topping the league table and later fall out.

[jahead]

After Werder could only bag 1 point in their last game, uff too bad, tough luck, they are playing away against Mainz this Saturday. Even though Mainz has the home advantage and therefore looks better in the odds (we are in the gambling section here... ), I am telling you that Werder is going to dominate the game and win easily. A few stronger opponents have been hit with reality in the past, and you know what/who that means: Füllkrug. 

[Wake Up]

After Werder could only bag 1 point in their last game, uff too bad, tough luck, they are playing away against Mainz this Saturday. Even though Mainz has the home advantage and therefore looks better in the odds (we are in the gambling section here... ), I am telling you that Werder is going to dominate the game and win easily. A few stronger opponents have been hit with reality in the past, and you know what/who that means: Füllkrug. 

Werder Bremen will not have an easy match. I believe a draw is the most likely outcome here. Both teams tend to keep their defensive and midfield blocks close together, which will lead to a controlled game as they both look to secure points. A point apiece would not be a bad result for either side. While Mainz might appear slightly closer to taking all three points aided by the support of their home it is impossible to say for sure. Predicting a winner is genuinely difficult as I mentioned, a draw is the more probable outcome.

[ndutndut]

After Dortmund bottled their last two matches at home, many people were saying Dortmund would bounce back and start winning their games. We all know that Dortmund do not have the quality to maintain the top of the Bundesliga for the rest of the season. Bayern Munich have returned back to the top of the table after struggling in recent matches. Bayern Munich will do everything within their power to start at the top of the league, I don’t see any team that can stop them anytime soon.

If you watch Dortmund recent performance in all competitions, I don’t think you will expect them to compete for the title this season. They were lucky to win the Champions League match against Sabah, they almost bottled the lead, but unlucky Sabah player missed the change in the last minute.

Dortmund performance in the last 4 matches across all competitions has indeed looked quite worrying: a draw against Bremen, a loss to Bodo, a draw against Union, and a hard fought win against Sabah. In all these matches, Dortmund performance has somewhat declined and two draws meant they had to reluctantly let the top spot be taken by Bayern Munich. 

If we look at the upcoming opponents that Dortmund will face, at least in the next two matches, it seems it will be difficult for Dortmund to overtake Munich again because in these two games Dortmund will face Frankfurt and Munich. With Dortmund current declining performance it will be tough to face these two matches especially against Munich who are gradually starting to find their rhythm.

[ASloveapg]

After Dortmund bottled their last two matches at home, many people were saying Dortmund would bounce back and start winning their games. We all know that Dortmund do not have the quality to maintain the top of the Bundesliga for the rest of the season. Bayern Munich have returned back to the top of the table after struggling in recent matches. Bayern Munich will do everything within their power to start at the top of the league, I don’t see any team that can stop them anytime soon.

If you watch Dortmund recent performance in all competitions, I don’t think you will expect them to compete for the title this season. They were lucky to win the Champions League match against Sabah, they almost bottled the lead, but unlucky Sabah player missed the change in the last minute.

Dortmund performance in the last 4 matches across all competitions has indeed looked quite worrying: a draw against Bremen, a loss to Bodo, a draw against Union, and a hard fought win against Sabah. In all these matches, Dortmund performance has somewhat declined and two draws meant they had to reluctantly let the top spot be taken by Bayern Munich. 

If we look at the upcoming opponents that Dortmund will face, at least in the next two matches, it seems it will be difficult for Dortmund to overtake Munich again because in these two games Dortmund will face Frankfurt and Munich. With Dortmund current declining performance it will be tough to face these two matches especially against Munich who are gradually starting to find their rhythm.

Dortmund will now really start to lose points, where they dropped from top to second after losing an easy point to Union Berlin, now each of their next opponents is more difficult and here it seems that they will lose a lot of points and Bayern will now stay at the top and Dortmund's point gap with Bayern will now increase a lot. Even if Dortmund wins their next match, their second match in the Bundesliga will be against Bayern Munich, and here they will almost certainly lose 3 points, and in the following matches they will also face stronger teams, and there they will lose more points. But all in all I can say that Dortmund does not seem to be able to get to the top easily anymore, because Dortmund can easily lose points against smaller teams as we have seen in the last matches, although the same is true for Bayern, but Bayern will not easily leave the top position, and at the same time Bayern will increase their point gap by beating Dortmund.

[Shadiq]

Dortmund performance in the last 4 matches across all competitions has indeed looked quite worrying: a draw against Bremen, a loss to Bodo, a draw against Union, and a hard fought win against Sabah. In all these matches, Dortmund performance has somewhat declined and two draws meant they had to reluctantly let the top spot be taken by Bayern Munich. 

If we look at the upcoming opponents that Dortmund will face, at least in the next two matches, it seems it will be difficult for Dortmund to overtake Munich again because in these two games Dortmund will face Frankfurt and Munich. With Dortmund current declining performance it will be tough to face these two matches especially against Munich who are gradually starting to find their rhythm.

Dortmund's streak is already over, now it will be difficult for them to even get 50% points. In the last 5 matches they have managed to score only 5 goals and conceded 4 goals. As for wins and losses, they have 2 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss.

Their recent statistics indicate that they are in a declining period, we cannot say when they will get out of this declining period. Maybe the first half of the season will end, we can see them in a winning streak again for some time in the second half.

[tiCeR]

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You understand what's going on in Bundesliga, to say the least, and it's true that Bayern makes mistakes, and as a matter of fact, every club make mistakes at some point, but if the mistake is minimal and your opponent is making larger mistakes, it automatically means that yours would be easily cancelled out by theirs, while the remainder would be to your advantage. That has helped Bayern a lot, plus the good players of the club; they've been able to overwhelm all other clubs. Even when Leverkusen was able to make a difference, they (Leverkusen) were not without mistakes, but they only kept it minimal. However, I don't always give clubs financial excuses, as we've seen clubs that spent far less winning trophies.

No, it is not just the "financial excuse" as you called it. I am not challenging that term because yes, money hasn't always won. But in the case of Bayern, many things play hand in hand. They have got the advantage and now they are able to pay the salaries that players like Olise or Kane demand. Other clubs in the Bundesliga can't do that, while Bayern can do it for five or six players at the same time. I think that makes a difference again. It wasn't too long ago that Dortmund was in the UCL final, did it change anything? No. They just can't retain a top team in the long run, financially.