The tide is turning: Which one is the alt coin now?

[Zarathustra]

[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 84 Punkte 10 Stunden zuvor

Considering this represents the economic majority (I think?), I think /u/theymos may now need to reconsider treatment of XT as an altcoin. :/


https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3i7mtz/8_major_players_support_bip_101/cued13h
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3i9qdj/25_of_hashing_power_is_now_publicly_backing_bip100/cuerd29


I'm not saying that the battle is won
But on Saturday night all those kids in the sun
Wrested technology's sword from the hand of the
War Lords
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S9mEc-PEDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFWCAYPWFbs

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[Zarathustra]

BIP100 back in the game?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3i9qdj/25_of_hashing_power_is_now_publicly_backing_bip100/

[The00Dustin]

There is no altcoin until there are two supported and surviving chains, which is economically unfeasible.  Anyone that tells you otherwise is spreading FUD, less bitcoin already be an altcoin due to previous forks.

[Carlton Banks]

There is no altcoin until there are two supported and surviving chains, which is economically unfeasible.  Anyone that tells you otherwise is spreading FUD, less bitcoin already be an altcoin due to previous forks.

It's true.

Zara, you won't get your altcoin unless people (users & miners alike) actually want it, so until then, stop slandering XT   It's just an alternative client, like you guys say.

alt-client, anyone?

[Lauda]

Nothing is turning. Please stop spreading false information. Do you know what a BIP is? Bitcoin improvement proposal? If person X supports a BIP, that does not mean that they support fork Y just because it has implemented it.
Supporting BIP 101 =/= supporting XT.

Bitpay:

In our opinion, BIP 101 should be pulled into Bitcoin Core.

Anyone that tells you otherwise is spreading FUD, less bitcoin already be an altcoin due to previous forks.

Yeah obviously people like, e.g. theymos and luke are spreading FUD.  
Update:
turvarya: this is not a appeal to authority. I never stated that because of their positions they are probably correct (in anything that they say). I'm just not expecting normal people like theymos and luke to spread FUD (considering the behavioral patterns of members that actually do this). Stop twisting the debate back into attacks and nonsense.
Update 2: No, you're not going to drag me into this again.

[tadakaluri]

Bitcoin Core is always the Original. Any modifications need to be done to Bitcoin Core only.  Yes, Bitcoin XT is just like other Altcoin, when it comes with a fork.

[Zarathustra]

There is no altcoin until there are two supported and surviving chains, which is economically unfeasible.  Anyone that tells you otherwise is spreading FUD, less bitcoin already be an altcoin due to previous forks.

Yes, if only the mods and some trolls here would understand it!

[Zarathustra]

Nothing is turning. Please stop spreading false information. Do you know what a BIP is? Bitcoin improvement proposal? If person X supports a BIP, that does not mean that they support fork Y just because it has implemented it.
Supporting BIP 101 =/= supporting XT.

Bitpay:

In our opinion, BIP 101 should be pulled into Bitcoin Core.

BIP101 (and BIP100 as well) is gaining strength, caused by XT. That's the only thing that's important. The core devs (small blockers; blockstreamers) are forced to act now (vulgo: to raise the limit), if they want to stay in the game.

[cryptodevil]

I'm not saying that the battle is won
But on Saturday night all those kids in the sun
Wrested technology's sword from the hand of the
War Lords
Oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S9mEc-PEDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFWCAYPWFbs

Nice use of Radio KAOS citation!

[turvarya]

Nothing is turning. Please stop spreading false information. Do you know what a BIP is? Bitcoin improvement proposal? If person X supports a BIP, that does not mean that they support fork Y just because it has implemented it.
Supporting BIP 101 =/= supporting XT.

Bitpay:

In our opinion, BIP 101 should be pulled into Bitcoin Core.

Anyone that tells you otherwise is spreading FUD, less bitcoin already be an altcoin due to previous forks.

Yeah obviously people like, e.g. theymos and luke are spreading FUD.   

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• Appeal to authority anyone?

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[ashour]

The people will decide if bitcoin core or bitcoin XT will be the alt coin. But in my opinion bitcoin XT will be the future of bitcoin, bigger blocks allow innovation within the bitcoin space.

[Muhammed Zakir]

The people will decide if bitcoin core or bitcoin XT will be the alt coin. But in my opinion bitcoin XT will be the future of bitcoin, bigger blocks allow innovation within the bitcoin space.

Bigger blocks with questionable codes? Bitcoin Core will soon support >1 MB maximum block size. A good solution is not yet found but at least, it will be increased temporarily.

Edit: I prefer BIP 100. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161622.0

[ashour]

The people will decide if bitcoin core or bitcoin XT will be the alt coin. But in my opinion bitcoin XT will be the future of bitcoin, bigger blocks allow innovation within the bitcoin space.

Bigger blocks with questionable codes? Bitcoin Core will soon support >1 MB maximum block size. A good solution is not yet found but at least, it will be increased temporarily.

Edit: I prefer BIP 100. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161622.0

Most people support bigger blocks, and the major one who doesn't is BlockStream which controls 3 of the 5 bitcoin core developers.

[Muhammed Zakir]

The people will decide if bitcoin core or bitcoin XT will be the alt coin. But in my opinion bitcoin XT will be the future of bitcoin, bigger blocks allow innovation within the bitcoin space.

Bigger blocks with questionable codes? Bitcoin Core will soon support >1 MB maximum block size. A good solution is not yet found but at least, it will be increased temporarily.

Edit: I prefer BIP 100. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161622.0

Most people support bigger blocks, and the major one who doesn't is BlockStream which controls 3 of the 5 bitcoin core developers.

Blockstream does not control them, they are just working in Blockstream.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161611.msg12239944#msg12239944

[ashour]

The people will decide if bitcoin core or bitcoin XT will be the alt coin. But in my opinion bitcoin XT will be the future of bitcoin, bigger blocks allow innovation within the bitcoin space.

Bigger blocks with questionable codes? Bitcoin Core will soon support >1 MB maximum block size. A good solution is not yet found but at least, it will be increased temporarily.

Edit: I prefer BIP 100. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161622.0

Most people support bigger blocks, and the major one who doesn't is BlockStream which controls 3 of the 5 bitcoin core developers.

Blockstream does not control them, they are just working in Blockstream.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161611.msg12239944#msg12239944

BlockStream is controlling them, here various sources that confirm it https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hksre/blockstream_employee_asking_to_remove_gavin_from/?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gmkak/the_blockstream_business_plan/?

They might not "control" them in the sense of blackmailing them but they  control them financially.

[Muhammed Zakir]

The people will decide if bitcoin core or bitcoin XT will be the alt coin. But in my opinion bitcoin XT will be the future of bitcoin, bigger blocks allow innovation within the bitcoin space.

Bigger blocks with questionable codes? Bitcoin Core will soon support >1 MB maximum block size. A good solution is not yet found but at least, it will be increased temporarily.

Edit: I prefer BIP 100. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161622.0

Most people support bigger blocks, and the major one who doesn't is BlockStream which controls 3 of the 5 bitcoin core developers.

Blockstream does not control them, they are just working in Blockstream.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161611.msg12239944#msg12239944

BlockStream is controlling them, here various sources that confirm it https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hksre/blockstream_employee_asking_to_remove_gavin_from/?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gmkak/the_blockstream_business_plan/?

They might not "control" them in the sense of blackmailing them but they  control them financially.

These are speculations, not valid proofs. I am asking for valid proofs.

[turvarya]

The people will decide if bitcoin core or bitcoin XT will be the alt coin. But in my opinion bitcoin XT will be the future of bitcoin, bigger blocks allow innovation within the bitcoin space.

Bigger blocks with questionable codes? Bitcoin Core will soon support >1 MB maximum block size. A good solution is not yet found but at least, it will be increased temporarily.

Edit: I prefer BIP 100. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161622.0

Most people support bigger blocks, and the major one who doesn't is BlockStream which controls 3 of the 5 bitcoin core developers.

Blockstream does not control them, they are just working in Blockstream.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161611.msg12239944#msg12239944

BlockStream is controlling them, here various sources that confirm it https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hksre/blockstream_employee_asking_to_remove_gavin_from/?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gmkak/the_blockstream_business_plan/?

They might not "control" them in the sense of blackmailing them but they  control them financially.

These are speculations, not valid proofs. I am asking for valid proofs.

Funny, that someone who spreads the blacklisting lie, which can be proven very easily, now demands valid proof for something that is not that easily proven.
But maybe, that is just because you are another hypocrite?

[jonald_fyookball]

The people will decide if bitcoin core or bitcoin XT will be the alt coin. But in my opinion bitcoin XT will be the future of bitcoin, bigger blocks allow innovation within the bitcoin space.

Bigger blocks with questionable codes? Bitcoin Core will soon support >1 MB maximum block size. A good solution is not yet found but at least, it will be increased temporarily.

Edit: I prefer BIP 100. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161622.0

Most people support bigger blocks, and the major one who doesn't is BlockStream which controls 3 of the 5 bitcoin core developers.

Blockstream does not control them, they are just working in Blockstream.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1161611.msg12239944#msg12239944

BlockStream is controlling them, here various sources that confirm it https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/37vg8y/is_the_blockstream_company_the_reason_why_4_core/?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hksre/blockstream_employee_asking_to_remove_gavin_from/?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gmkak/the_blockstream_business_plan/?

They might not "control" them in the sense of blackmailing them but they  control them financially.

These are speculations, not valid proofs. I am asking for valid proofs.

They don't just work for them, they are among the founders.
Obviously they will do what's in the best interest of their business.
I'm sure they think their plan is good for both Bitcoin and their
business, but not everyone agrees, to say the least.

[Possum577]

XT is not an alt coin...it's just a new system. I don't know why Theymos or anyone else considers this an alt coin. It sounds like a passive aggressive attempt to minimize conversation about XT on the main Bitcoin forum but the bitcoin that uses core will be the same bitcoin that uses XT. From the perspective of the coin or the currency, it's the same.

Also Sprach Zarathustra, great name, really great name!

[Sourgummies]

Its no wonder people are confused,even some of the fudsters are posting opposing views to themselves!

We need a Fud community watch and start lighting people up in trust on either side that spread misinformation.