Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud)

[madjules007]

Can someone do me a favor and summarize the differences between the XT implementation and BIP 101? I think most are aware by now that nodes can run https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/tree/only-bigblocks but since much of the discussion is about XT and not BIP 101, I think this would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.

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[turvarya]

Can someone do me a favor and summarize the differences between the XT implementation and BIP 101? I think most are aware by now that nodes can run https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/tree/only-bigblocks but since much of the discussion is about XT and not BIP 101, I think this would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.

Besides BIP101 BitcoinXT has also this features implemented:
https://bitcoinxt.software/patches.html

[HostFat]

Can someone do me a favor and summarize the differences between the XT implementation and BIP 101? I think most are aware by now that nodes can run https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/tree/only-bigblocks but since much of the discussion is about XT and not BIP 101, I think this would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.

Here you can see the patches:
https://bitcoinxt.software/patches.html

If you chose to run "only-bigblocks", your node will only have this patch:

Bigger blocks, by Gavin Andresen. This set of patches performs some small code refactorings, and implements support for switching to 8 megabyte blocks after January 2016 once 75%+ of mined blocks are voting for the change by setting flags in the block version field. Once supermajority has been reached, there is a grace period of two weeks before the rule change takes effect. After the switch the max block size limit smoothly increases, doubling every two years. The soft limit is set equal to the hard limit to avoid the need for miners to constantly reconfigure things.

[R2D221]

I'm not sure if this qualifies for the Bitcoin Obituaries or not.

[Denker]

Is Blockstream not working on the Lightning network? Is this article wrong?

not sure
Hearn invented LN and implemented it in bitcoinj.

ofc blockstream can still develop it further.

This is NOT right. Hearn invented Lighthouse.
Not Lightning network. You're mixing things up.

Lightning network --> Joseph Poon, Thaddeus Dryja

Lighthouse --> Mike Hearn

[onemorexmr]

Is Blockstream not working on the Lightning network? Is this article wrong?

not sure
Hearn invented LN and implemented it in bitcoinj.

ofc blockstream can still develop it further.

This is NOT right. Hearn invented Lighthouse.
Not Lightning network. You're mixing things up.

Lightning network --> Joseph Poon, Thaddeus Dryja

Lighthouse --> Mike Hearn

you are right, sorry
btw: here is the lightning paper: https://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf

[DGulari]

Time to zap Gavin's alert key in the next release (I assume but to not know that it is still there.)  A discussion on replacement(s) should be undertaken.

I would like just to confirm that the alert key is there. I as well have thought about this (as I have defended him in the past). The decision of keeping it should be re-evaluated.

Judging from the miners vote right now, BIP100 is gaining traction while XT is going to 0% (even Slush abandoned it).

He has not abused the key.  Just because his opinion doesn't agree with yours you'd like to take the key?  That is crazy.  We need guys on both sides of an argument to have keys - otherwise Blockstream can just take over the blockchain today. 

The next time someone wants to make changes to bitcoin - they will release 'RT' - or whatever.  The people will vote.  The winner will win.  That is how it is supposed to work.  You don't want the get rid of Mike and Gavin - they are doing what they are supposed to.  Introduce possible things which can improve.  Then we vote. 

Taking away the keys and kicking him out of the community is the dumbest thing I've read on this forum - and this forum has a lot of very dumb shit.

[meono]

OP, when the room is full of noise. Trying to speak louder only makes you the most idiot of the room.


Another thread for another round of political bullshit.

Anyone who is against freedom of choice is in bad faith.

[alani123]

OP, when the room is full of noise. Trying to speak louder only makes you the most idiot of the room.


Another thread for another round of political bullshit.

Anyone who is against freedom of choice is in bad faith.

So opposing XT is noise and supporting it is freedom of choice? Don't you see the contradiction in what you're saying?

[brg444]

Time to zap Gavin's alert key in the next release (I assume but to not know that it is still there.)  A discussion on replacement(s) should be undertaken.

I would like just to confirm that the alert key is there. I as well have thought about this (as I have defended him in the past). The decision of keeping it should be re-evaluated.

Judging from the miners vote right now, BIP100 is gaining traction while XT is going to 0% (even Slush abandoned it).

He has not abused the key.  Just because his opinion doesn't agree with yours you'd like to take the key?  That is crazy.  We need guys on both sides of an argument to have keys - otherwise Blockstream can just take over the blockchain today. 

The next time someone wants to make changes to bitcoin - they will release 'RT' - or whatever.  The people will vote.  The winner will win.  That is how it is supposed to work.  You don't want the get rid of Mike and Gavin - they are doing what they are supposed to.  Introduce possible things which can improve.  Then we vote. 

Taking away the keys and kicking him out of the community is the dumbest thing I've read on this forum - and this forum has a lot of very dumb shit.

This is absolutely not an argument of Blockstream vs. others or centralization of developer power.

Gavin has shown himself not trustworthy of this key. His influence over Bitcoin anyway has long started to fade anyway. What has he done for us lately?

[knight22]

Time to zap Gavin's alert key in the next release (I assume but to not know that it is still there.)  A discussion on replacement(s) should be undertaken.

I would like just to confirm that the alert key is there. I as well have thought about this (as I have defended him in the past). The decision of keeping it should be re-evaluated.

Judging from the miners vote right now, BIP100 is gaining traction while XT is going to 0% (even Slush abandoned it).

He has not abused the key.  Just because his opinion doesn't agree with yours you'd like to take the key?  That is crazy.  We need guys on both sides of an argument to have keys - otherwise Blockstream can just take over the blockchain today. 

The next time someone wants to make changes to bitcoin - they will release 'RT' - or whatever.  The people will vote.  The winner will win.  That is how it is supposed to work.  You don't want the get rid of Mike and Gavin - they are doing what they are supposed to.  Introduce possible things which can improve.  Then we vote. 

Taking away the keys and kicking him out of the community is the dumbest thing I've read on this forum - and this forum has a lot of very dumb shit.

This is absolutely not an argument of Blockstream vs. others or centralization of developer power.

Gavin has shown himself not trustworthy of this key. His influence over Bitcoin anyway has long started to fade anyway. What has he done for us lately?

XT which is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[DooMAD]

Gavin has shown himself not trustworthy of this key. His influence over Bitcoin anyway has long started to fade anyway. What has he done for us lately?

"Gavin's influence is fading, but we have to stop him from having influence by taking away his key".  

Way to contradict yourself yet again.  I can see you're going to be a source of much entertainment.  

[jonald_fyookball]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1144606.msg12250669#msg12250669

OP, all I see from your graphic is Bitfury supports Bip 100.

But whatever, as long as we get bigger blocks and Blockstream
is cockblocked from keeping the 1mb in place, I'll be happy.

Don't really give a rat's ass one way or the other about XT.

Blockstream, or its developers, never argued for permanent 1mb. I thought I taught you to shut your mouth when you were ignorant of facts?

Did you not read my post on your thread clearly highlighting the benefits of larger blocks for sidechains?

They stonewalled the increase for years (and continue to do) , same thing.
They want the 1mb to be in place for their lightening payment network.

For years? Oh, not you Jonald!

You do know sidechains are better with bigger block size limit, right? I don't know what else to say to you! Frankly, really disappointed!

* Edited.

You know, that the lightening payment network is not a sidechain, right?
People should really stop mixing things up ...

You know lightning network is not a Blockstream creation and open source?

What? Could we please focus on a subject?
jonald_fyookball made a statement about lightning. Muhammed Zakir countered with a statement about sidechains. Regardless of if these statements are true or not, they are talking about 2 different technologies.

You could have at least checked what was the discussion about? We were talking about Blockstream and Jonald used "they" and commected it to "lightning payment network" which is his mistake and not mine. But still, I should have corrected him, which is my mistake.

Is Blockstream not working on the Lightning network? Is this article wrong?

Thank you Turvarya!  There you go.

As someone else said, entirely too much noise in this thread.
I'm outta this one.

M.Z:  Thank you for expressing your sentiment earlier.
I will take your "oh no" comment to mean that (at some point) you respected
me and are now baffled.  So, THANK YOU.

I don't think I'm saying anything
radical.  You can conclude whatever you want from the
facts such as the fact the debate has gone on for years,
blockstream is working on another payment network, etc.
I'm just glad we're finally getting bigger blocks.

[MarketNeutral]

Time to zap Gavin's alert key in the next release (I assume but to not know that it is still there.)  A discussion on replacement(s) should be undertaken.

Seconded.

[brg444]

Gavin has shown himself not trustworthy of this key. His influence over Bitcoin anyway has long started to fade anyway. What has he done for us lately?

"Gavin's influence is fading, but we have to stop him from having influence by taking away his key".  

Way to contradict yourself yet again.  I can see you're going to be a source of much entertainment.  

It is primarily a matter of trust, not influence. These keys should not be in the hands of any random derp who has resorted to trolling fellow developers on Twitter

[meono]

OP, when the room is full of noise. Trying to speak louder only makes you the most idiot of the room.


Another thread for another round of political bullshit.

Anyone who is against freedom of choice is in bad faith.

So opposing XT is noise and supporting it is freedom of choice? Don't you see the contradiction in what you're saying?

Why opposing a choice when you have a freedoom to choose? Did you go to your neighbour and argue why they voted Obama?

Opposing is one thing, making thread to misled is another. ...ie.... Dictionship bs... I thought we're done with this

OP must be very jealous of turtlehuricane. He must beat his big brother,, iCEBREAKER first tho

[brg444]

You could have at least checked what was the discussion about? We were talking about Blockstream and Jonald used "they" and commected it to "lightning payment network" which is his mistake and not mine. But still, I should have corrected him, which is my mistake.

Is Blockstream not working on the Lightning network? Is this article wrong?

One developer at Blockstream has been assigned to lightning. Out of a team of nearly a dozen.

Since Lightning is open source Blockstream has no proprietary advantage over its development, its deployment or monetization. 

[HostFat]

Since Lightning is open source Blockstream has no proprietary advantage over its development, its deployment or monetization. 

Have you ever heard about the network effect? 

[tvbcof]

Gavin has shown himself not trustworthy of this key. His influence over Bitcoin anyway has long started to fade anyway. What has he done for us lately?

"Gavin's influence is fading, but we have to stop him from having influence by taking away his key".  

Way to contradict yourself yet again.  I can see you're going to be a source of much entertainment.  

It is primarily a matter of trust, not influence. These keys should not be in the hands of any random derp who has resorted to trolling fellow developers on Twitter

It is also a matter of influence.  The ability to make almost everyone stop using Bitcoin until they take some action on a scary sounding emergency could be very useful if (not when) some new hostile takeover attempt is triggered.

Slamming the ecosystem into a 'benevolent dictator' mode of management is bad enough.  When said 'benevolent dictator' has a long track record of wanting to centralize the solution to 4 or 6 copies of the blockchain worldwide and 'white/black/red-list' coins to 'help the community' overcome certain problems, it would almost certainly be curtains for the solution in Satoshi's original form.  A well timed 'alert' could be the difference between success or failure of such an attempt.

[turvarya]

You could have at least checked what was the discussion about? We were talking about Blockstream and Jonald used "they" and commected it to "lightning payment network" which is his mistake and not mine. But still, I should have corrected him, which is my mistake.

Is Blockstream not working on the Lightning network? Is this article wrong?

One developer at Blockstream has been assigned to lightning. Out of a team of nearly a dozen.

Since Lightning is open source Blockstream has no proprietary advantage over its development, its deployment or monetization. 

They can fork it. So, they would need someone with deeper understanding of the technology to make a profit out of that.
I am not saying, that they are really doing that, but that would not be something unusual.