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Great job dev, $OC will fly high.  Keep this shit active and this will win, good dev, good community, a coin that survived all this time and has still an active development is nothing but great!  |
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Great job dev, $OC will fly high. Keep this shit active and this will win, good dev, good community, a coin that survived all this time and has still an active development is nothing but great! go go fly high OC WAITING ........  |
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Welcome back. One thing I noticed, the github link you provided is not OC's, that I have ever seen anyway. The date for the last commit (change) on that git was 4 months prior to OC original dev's initial commit in 2014. The original devs git was here: https://github.com/Orangecoins/OrangecoinYours was here: https://github.com/sherlockcoin/Orangecoin |
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Wow, I am torn, and feel horrible.  I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday. Soop, First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.) Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort* Anyways, to prove I am Raven I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links. Done Cheers! -Raven |
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June 29, 2016, 02:22:09 AM |
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Oops my bad mate , it should be :
https://github.com/sherlockcoin/Orangecoin
I've updated my initial post to rectify this.
Please update accordingly.Wow, I am torn, and feel horrible. I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday. Soop, First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.) Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort* Anyways, to prove I am Raven I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links. Done Cheers! -Raven
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Spectacular. Will update now. Thanks! |
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June 29, 2016, 03:22:27 AM |
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Spectacular. Will update now. Thanks! Should be all set. Website and OP updated. |
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Wow, I am torn, and feel horrible. I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday. Soop, First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.) Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort* Anyways, to prove I am Raven I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links. Done Cheers! -Raven there are a number of reasons why - and soopy knows the full extent of it ... soopy and i have worked side by side on a few things - especially granite droidz ... @soopy ... once again soopy - the conversation we had on pm has gone by the wayside ... its been 3days - hence why i do and say the things i do and say ... there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ... promises are made to be kept - not broken ... @raven - there are too many thing that are happen in the background - and too many different promises / actions that have occurred - for me to be silent about this ... how can my team and i be a part of system that continues to sway so easily from side to side - because its so desperate for development? ... i was given the go ahead by you and halo - and now soopy is 'back' - things have reverted back to the way they were? ... no tanx - that is a very weak way of doing things - and a very weak way of making 'deals' ... which also means that your word is no more of a bond than the so called cohesion that this community is displaying ... i KNOW what will happen now - and KNOW what the outcome of this will be ... look at the droidz ( the latest one ) thread and read up on the similarities ... as well as pex and loco and a few others ... this way of working is a disgusting display of how one should NEVER behave - as with other coins mentioned like droidz ... #crysx |
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Wow, I am torn, and feel horrible. I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday. Soop, First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.) Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort* Anyways, to prove I am Raven I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links. Done Cheers! -Raven there are a number of reasons why - and soopy knows the full extent of it ... soopy and i have worked side by side on a few things - especially granite droidz ... @soopy ... once again soopy - the conversation we had on pm has gone by the wayside ... its been 3days - hence why i do and say the things i do and say ... there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ... promises are made to be kept - not broken ... @raven - there are too many thing that are happen in the background - and too many different promises / actions that have occurred - for me to be silent about this ... how can my team and i be a part of system that continues to sway so easily from side to side - because its so desperate for development? ... i was given the go ahead by you and halo - and now soopy is 'back' - things have reverted back to the way they were? ... no tanx - that is a very weak way of doing things - and a very weak way of making 'deals' ... which also means that your word is no more of a bond than the so called cohesion that this community is displaying ... i KNOW what will happen now - and KNOW what the outcome of this will be ... look at the droidz ( the latest one ) thread and read up on the similarities ... as well as pex and loco and a few others ... this way of working is a disgusting display of how one should NEVER behave - as with other coins mentioned like droidz ... #crysx Reminder: Soopy is in a unique position here at OC, the arrangement was he would fix and maintain our code, and if he could (based on available time or ability), he'd provide more like Masternodes. His official title is: Consultant Developer & Technical Advisor, OP Access. This leans towards a temporary dev title along the lines of if OC code had problems, we consult soopy to fix them, OR if we wanted a feature, we could consult him to see if it would be easy or a project to incorporate, while allowing him the chance to chime in or implement those features. His "baby" is NAV, that's where he's a full dev. Other than the non-delivery on his public post promises concerning anything more than OC code maintenance, he's doing what he said he would for us. Like you said, soopy is 'back', but it was news to (at least) me when he posted that. Soopy has not been in contact with me for a long time (months and months and months) via PM's or anywhere else, save for the public convo's in the thread for all to read. He didn't say anything prior to release about what he was doing with this new update. Frustrating, but not the end of the world but only since I saw his post quick enough to get everything updated within a enough of a timely fashion before it could reflect back on us all for not having everything updated. I think he has too much going on (hence maybe why he mislabeled his own OC github link?), and all coins that he's involved in might/will suffer because of the lack of time he can invest per coin. I'd just like to see someone or a team work OC. The community is not demanding a full time gig from anyone but we need more than what's been served in ways of actual development. If you wanted, you could fork it and soopy would be out -- if by chance you couldn't work together. Simple as that. No hard feelings or "digs" towards soopy when I say that either, but I'm thinking it would alleviate some of his "workload" so he could focus on his other coins, again, if you couldn't work together. Soopy's absence isn't the driving force to finding another dev or "talent" as I often say. He wasn't meant to stay with OC forever unless he wanted to, which he had the option. |
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June 30, 2016, 12:19:25 AM |
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Oops my bad mate , it should be :
https://github.com/sherlockcoin/Orangecoin
I've updated my initial post to rectify this.
Please update accordingly.Wow, I am torn, and feel horrible. I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday. Soop, First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.) Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort* Anyways, to prove I am Raven I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links. Done Cheers! -Raven
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~Soop, I appreciate it...And thank you for the well wishes. AND again thank you! But it seems nothing from Theymos yet. Can anyone help a fellow out and vouch for my authenticity to Theymos, or know of another moderator? But then again I know bothering him\them might have repercussions , such as not getting the account back... Cheers! -Raven |
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Oops my bad mate , it should be :
https://github.com/sherlockcoin/Orangecoin
I've updated my initial post to rectify this.
Please update accordingly.Wow, I am torn, and feel horrible. I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday. Soop, First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.) Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort* Anyways, to prove I am Raven I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links. Done Cheers! -Raven
Warm Regards,
~SoopY~Soop, I appreciate it...And thank you for the well wishes. AND again thank you! But it seems nothing from Theymos yet. Can anyone help a fellow out and vouch for my authenticity to Theymos, or know of another moderator? But then again I know bothering him\them might have repercussions , such as not getting the account back... Cheers! -Raven i too am in the same boat - as it were - and its been many many MANY months - and no contacts for the mods here at bct ... NONE what so ever ... chrysophylax - and hero almost legendary member - gone now ... #crysx |
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Wow, I am torn, and feel horrible. I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday. Soop, First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.) Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort* Anyways, to prove I am Raven I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links. Done Cheers! -Raven there are a number of reasons why - and soopy knows the full extent of it ... soopy and i have worked side by side on a few things - especially granite droidz ... @soopy ... once again soopy - the conversation we had on pm has gone by the wayside ... its been 3days - hence why i do and say the things i do and say ... there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ... promises are made to be kept - not broken ... @raven - there are too many thing that are happen in the background - and too many different promises / actions that have occurred - for me to be silent about this ... how can my team and i be a part of system that continues to sway so easily from side to side - because its so desperate for development? ... i was given the go ahead by you and halo - and now soopy is 'back' - things have reverted back to the way they were? ... no tanx - that is a very weak way of doing things - and a very weak way of making 'deals' ... which also means that your word is no more of a bond than the so called cohesion that this community is displaying ... i KNOW what will happen now - and KNOW what the outcome of this will be ... look at the droidz ( the latest one ) thread and read up on the similarities ... as well as pex and loco and a few others ... this way of working is a disgusting display of how one should NEVER behave - as with other coins mentioned like droidz ... #crysx Reminder: Soopy is in a unique position here at OC, the arrangement was he would fix and maintain our code, and if he could (based on available time or ability), he'd provide more like Masternodes. His official title is: Consultant Developer & Technical Advisor, OP Access. This leans towards a temporary dev title along the lines of if OC code had problems, we consult soopy to fix them, OR if we wanted a feature, we could consult him to see if it would be easy or a project to incorporate, while allowing him the chance to chime in or implement those features. His "baby" is NAV, that's where he's a full dev. Other than the non-delivery on his public post promises concerning anything more than OC code maintenance, he's doing what he said he would for us. Like you said, soopy is 'back', but it was news to (at least) me when he posted that. Soopy has not been in contact with me for a long time (months and months and months) via PM's or anywhere else, save for the public convo's in the thread for all to read. He didn't say anything prior to release about what he was doing with this new update. Frustrating, but not the end of the world but only since I saw his post quick enough to get everything updated within a enough of a timely fashion before it could reflect back on us all for not having everything updated. I think he has too much going on (hence maybe why he mislabeled his own OC github link?), and all coins that he's involved in might/will suffer because of the lack of time he can invest per coin. I'd just like to see someone or a team work OC. The community is not demanding a full time gig from anyone but we need more than what's been served in ways of actual development. If you wanted, you could fork it and soopy would be out -- if by chance you couldn't work together. Simple as that. No hard feelings or "digs" towards soopy when I say that either, but I'm thinking it would alleviate some of his "workload" so he could focus on his other coins, again, if you couldn't work together. Soopy's absence isn't the driving force to finding another dev or "talent" as I often say. He wasn't meant to stay with OC forever unless he wanted to, which he had the option. firstly - that is NOT what was pm'ed me not so long ago - and NOT what has happened ... or is it easier to quote the pms? ... secondly - there is NEVER a time that soopy and i cannot work with each other ... i have a LOT of respect for soopy as a person and a LOT of respect for him as a dev ... as for his reliability? ... well ... there is MUCH more to this than is publicly shown - and soopy KNOWS the extent to which he and i have dealt - and have continued to deal ... i pull NO punches - never have and never will ... i say things as i see them and will NEVER change that ... had there been an equitable system put in place - there would be no one pushing and shoving and praising ... but as there is no system in place - your suggestion of my forking the source and working on it - is a blatant misrepresentation of what WE ( raven and i ) had discussed earlier with your apparent knowledge halofire ... especially with regards to my involvement ... the time and effort and money involved in doing this RIGHT - is more than i or my team was willing to do without some form of compensation and / or affiliation or complete takeover ... THAT was the bottom line ... and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ... which ever way this works now - it is entirely up to you all HOW you deal with this ... its no skin off my nose ... i just dont like the miscommunication AND the false representations of myself and my team - and the things that were and were NOT said ... if soopy WANTS to work with me on this - he can ... but the garbage about him being 'just' a consultant and he could return anytime he felt and the rest of the blurb - was NEVER brought to my attention here in the thread NOR in private ... im astounded at what has transpired ... and STILL you continue on about it all being an open discussion and praising soopy about his coming 'back' ... seriously mate! ... i deal - and work - and make clean and DO the things i say im going to do ... so far - its simply talk - and nothing but ... so let it be just that ... and there will be no hard feelings anywhere ... but when the cookie crumbles and all is stagnant once again - just remeber this situation and what you have said and NOT said ... im still open for discussion - but not at this level ... @soopy - stick to what you say and what you promise mate ... too many people of the communities you deal with RELY on your word - and your word as a gentleman ... you KNOW how i work soopy - raven and halo dont ... and ill continue to work the same as i have - and we have grown much bigger than when you first dealt with me ... deal clean - deal well ... and much respect - to you and all that deserve it ... #crysx |
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July 01, 2016, 02:42:58 PM
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Wow, I am torn, and feel horrible. I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday. Soop, First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.) Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort* Anyways, to prove I am Raven I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links. Done Cheers! -Raven there are a number of reasons why - and soopy knows the full extent of it ... soopy and i have worked side by side on a few things - especially granite droidz ... @soopy ... once again soopy - the conversation we had on pm has gone by the wayside ... its been 3days - hence why i do and say the things i do and say ... there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ... promises are made to be kept - not broken ... @raven - there are too many thing that are happen in the background - and too many different promises / actions that have occurred - for me to be silent about this ... how can my team and i be a part of system that continues to sway so easily from side to side - because its so desperate for development? ... i was given the go ahead by you and halo - and now soopy is 'back' - things have reverted back to the way they were? ... no tanx - that is a very weak way of doing things - and a very weak way of making 'deals' ... which also means that your word is no more of a bond than the so called cohesion that this community is displaying ... i KNOW what will happen now - and KNOW what the outcome of this will be ... look at the droidz ( the latest one ) thread and read up on the similarities ... as well as pex and loco and a few others ... this way of working is a disgusting display of how one should NEVER behave - as with other coins mentioned like droidz ... #crysx Reminder: Soopy is in a unique position here at OC, the arrangement was he would fix and maintain our code, and if he could (based on available time or ability), he'd provide more like Masternodes. His official title is: Consultant Developer & Technical Advisor, OP Access. This leans towards a temporary dev title along the lines of if OC code had problems, we consult soopy to fix them, OR if we wanted a feature, we could consult him to see if it would be easy or a project to incorporate, while allowing him the chance to chime in or implement those features. His "baby" is NAV, that's where he's a full dev. Other than the non-delivery on his public post promises concerning anything more than OC code maintenance, he's doing what he said he would for us. Like you said, soopy is 'back', but it was news to (at least) me when he posted that. Soopy has not been in contact with me for a long time (months and months and months) via PM's or anywhere else, save for the public convo's in the thread for all to read. He didn't say anything prior to release about what he was doing with this new update. Frustrating, but not the end of the world but only since I saw his post quick enough to get everything updated within a enough of a timely fashion before it could reflect back on us all for not having everything updated. I think he has too much going on (hence maybe why he mislabeled his own OC github link?), and all coins that he's involved in might/will suffer because of the lack of time he can invest per coin. I'd just like to see someone or a team work OC. The community is not demanding a full time gig from anyone but we need more than what's been served in ways of actual development. If you wanted, you could fork it and soopy would be out -- if by chance you couldn't work together. Simple as that. No hard feelings or "digs" towards soopy when I say that either, but I'm thinking it would alleviate some of his "workload" so he could focus on his other coins, again, if you couldn't work together. Soopy's absence isn't the driving force to finding another dev or "talent" as I often say. He wasn't meant to stay with OC forever unless he wanted to, which he had the option. firstly - that is NOT what was pm'ed me not so long ago - and NOT what has happened ... or is it easier to quote the pms? ... secondly - there is NEVER a time that soopy and i cannot work with each other ... i have a LOT of respect for soopy as a person and a LOT of respect for him as a dev ... as for his reliability? ... well ... there is MUCH more to this than is publicly shown - and soopy KNOWS the extent to which he and i have dealt - and have continued to deal ... i pull NO punches - never have and never will ... i say things as i see them and will NEVER change that ... had there been an equitable system put in place - there would be no one pushing and shoving and praising ... but as there is no system in place - your suggestion of my forking the source and working on it - is a blatant misrepresentation of what WE ( raven and i ) had discussed earlier with your apparent knowledge halofire ... especially with regards to my involvement ... the time and effort and money involved in doing this RIGHT - is more than i or my team was willing to do without some form of compensation and / or affiliation or complete takeover ... THAT was the bottom line ... and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ... which ever way this works now - it is entirely up to you all HOW you deal with this ... its no skin off my nose ... i just dont like the miscommunication AND the false representations of myself and my team - and the things that were and were NOT said ... if soopy WANTS to work with me on this - he can ... but the garbage about him being 'just' a consultant and he could return anytime he felt and the rest of the blurb - was NEVER brought to my attention here in the thread NOR in private ... im astounded at what has transpired ... and STILL you continue on about it all being an open discussion and praising soopy about his coming 'back' ... seriously mate! ... i deal - and work - and make clean and DO the things i say im going to do ... so far - its simply talk - and nothing but ... so let it be just that ... and there will be no hard feelings anywhere ... but when the cookie crumbles and all is stagnant once again - just remeber this situation and what you have said and NOT said ... im still open for discussion - but not at this level ... @soopy - stick to what you say and what you promise mate ... too many people of the communities you deal with RELY on your word - and your word as a gentleman ... you KNOW how i work soopy - raven and halo dont ... and ill continue to work the same as i have - and we have grown much bigger than when you first dealt with me ... deal clean - deal well ... and much respect - to you and all that deserve it ... #crysx I didn't say that you can't work together, I said IF. I said that because I was getting the feeling from what you typed you won't work on OC with him because of your previous endeavors. And you aren't working with him presently in OC. You said "there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ..." which means he's not working with you or vice versa, due to whatever reason. I was trying to present OC options; an A, B, and C. 'A' being you two work together, 'B' you fork it yourself, 'C' which is the current state of a lone soopy doing his thing if you werent' coming on board. It would be easier for you to quote PM's, because I don't think we are on the same page. Things may have changed since he came on board, nothing was made known to me. If soopy were our full time dev, it would say Lead Dev or something to that effect. He's the one who made the current title for himself, way back when. If you didn't read the title he has on the OP that's been there since the OP was made, and didn't question it why it was like that (after he told you otherwise?), well, I don't have an answer for why you didn't come forth with that until now. Praising soopy about him returning? I don't see any "praise" of his return from me. A 2 word "greeting"? Welcome back? My spectacular comment was about him fixing the link. I don't see where you are coming from on this. Blatant misrepresentation of your involvement with my knowledge on the subject?? I don't know what your involvement would be. This is the only correspondence I've received from April 15, 2016 from raven about you, it's only his half of a PM convo between you two. Nothing else had been sent to me, nor spoken about. Wow,
that's a lot of information to soak up.
I Am for everything you said, Bettering the coin, chain, tech, for the benefit of all of us involved with OC (Yes including current and future investors.)
But of course no one comes and just 'helps', everyone has a cost......
so what's the underlying question or proposition?
Sorry I hate beating around the bush. I am like you, I like to get shit done, like yesterday status.
Cheers!
-Raven
And BTW i am from the (EDIT: location omitted). Nice to meet you Crysx
I normally would not reveal PM's, apologies to raven, but this is to show you what I'm not involved in. There is not any sensitive info contained in the PM, hence why I feel ok with revealing the content without asking his permission. You stated above: "and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ..." I would ask for a copy, but raven's account is lost for now, so I would need that convo from you. Again, I did not receive any of this convo except what is in the quoted PM above. I don't know why I'm not being kept in any loops. I don't know why facts and stories aren't lining up. Things are being said differently to different people. It's all fine if things change, but let's keep the communication up. Otherwise, this happens. |
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Hosting for our block explorer runs out soon. Please contribute what you can. Thank you. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/oc/# |
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Wow, I am torn, and feel horrible. I am trying to recover my Raven Account as I type this. I haven't logged in since I had to travel recently, until I got back yesterday. Soop, First of all, I do apologize for my rant. You came through! (This is why I feel horrible.) Secondly, The reason why I am torn is why was crysx saying all of this....stuff? I Understand you're a busy man working on huge project(s) which Congrats on the NAV 2.0 BTW. UGH *confused* *Somucheffort* Anyways, to prove I am Raven I am updating BTCGarden to bumb the version and posting the Revision notes and links. Done Cheers! -Raven there are a number of reasons why - and soopy knows the full extent of it ... soopy and i have worked side by side on a few things - especially granite droidz ... @soopy ... once again soopy - the conversation we had on pm has gone by the wayside ... its been 3days - hence why i do and say the things i do and say ... there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ... promises are made to be kept - not broken ... @raven - there are too many thing that are happen in the background - and too many different promises / actions that have occurred - for me to be silent about this ... how can my team and i be a part of system that continues to sway so easily from side to side - because its so desperate for development? ... i was given the go ahead by you and halo - and now soopy is 'back' - things have reverted back to the way they were? ... no tanx - that is a very weak way of doing things - and a very weak way of making 'deals' ... which also means that your word is no more of a bond than the so called cohesion that this community is displaying ... i KNOW what will happen now - and KNOW what the outcome of this will be ... look at the droidz ( the latest one ) thread and read up on the similarities ... as well as pex and loco and a few others ... this way of working is a disgusting display of how one should NEVER behave - as with other coins mentioned like droidz ... #crysx Reminder: Soopy is in a unique position here at OC, the arrangement was he would fix and maintain our code, and if he could (based on available time or ability), he'd provide more like Masternodes. His official title is: Consultant Developer & Technical Advisor, OP Access. This leans towards a temporary dev title along the lines of if OC code had problems, we consult soopy to fix them, OR if we wanted a feature, we could consult him to see if it would be easy or a project to incorporate, while allowing him the chance to chime in or implement those features. His "baby" is NAV, that's where he's a full dev. Other than the non-delivery on his public post promises concerning anything more than OC code maintenance, he's doing what he said he would for us. Like you said, soopy is 'back', but it was news to (at least) me when he posted that. Soopy has not been in contact with me for a long time (months and months and months) via PM's or anywhere else, save for the public convo's in the thread for all to read. He didn't say anything prior to release about what he was doing with this new update. Frustrating, but not the end of the world but only since I saw his post quick enough to get everything updated within a enough of a timely fashion before it could reflect back on us all for not having everything updated. I think he has too much going on (hence maybe why he mislabeled his own OC github link?), and all coins that he's involved in might/will suffer because of the lack of time he can invest per coin. I'd just like to see someone or a team work OC. The community is not demanding a full time gig from anyone but we need more than what's been served in ways of actual development. If you wanted, you could fork it and soopy would be out -- if by chance you couldn't work together. Simple as that. No hard feelings or "digs" towards soopy when I say that either, but I'm thinking it would alleviate some of his "workload" so he could focus on his other coins, again, if you couldn't work together. Soopy's absence isn't the driving force to finding another dev or "talent" as I often say. He wasn't meant to stay with OC forever unless he wanted to, which he had the option. firstly - that is NOT what was pm'ed me not so long ago - and NOT what has happened ... or is it easier to quote the pms? ... secondly - there is NEVER a time that soopy and i cannot work with each other ... i have a LOT of respect for soopy as a person and a LOT of respect for him as a dev ... as for his reliability? ... well ... there is MUCH more to this than is publicly shown - and soopy KNOWS the extent to which he and i have dealt - and have continued to deal ... i pull NO punches - never have and never will ... i say things as i see them and will NEVER change that ... had there been an equitable system put in place - there would be no one pushing and shoving and praising ... but as there is no system in place - your suggestion of my forking the source and working on it - is a blatant misrepresentation of what WE ( raven and i ) had discussed earlier with your apparent knowledge halofire ... especially with regards to my involvement ... the time and effort and money involved in doing this RIGHT - is more than i or my team was willing to do without some form of compensation and / or affiliation or complete takeover ... THAT was the bottom line ... and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ... which ever way this works now - it is entirely up to you all HOW you deal with this ... its no skin off my nose ... i just dont like the miscommunication AND the false representations of myself and my team - and the things that were and were NOT said ... if soopy WANTS to work with me on this - he can ... but the garbage about him being 'just' a consultant and he could return anytime he felt and the rest of the blurb - was NEVER brought to my attention here in the thread NOR in private ... im astounded at what has transpired ... and STILL you continue on about it all being an open discussion and praising soopy about his coming 'back' ... seriously mate! ... i deal - and work - and make clean and DO the things i say im going to do ... so far - its simply talk - and nothing but ... so let it be just that ... and there will be no hard feelings anywhere ... but when the cookie crumbles and all is stagnant once again - just remeber this situation and what you have said and NOT said ... im still open for discussion - but not at this level ... @soopy - stick to what you say and what you promise mate ... too many people of the communities you deal with RELY on your word - and your word as a gentleman ... you KNOW how i work soopy - raven and halo dont ... and ill continue to work the same as i have - and we have grown much bigger than when you first dealt with me ... deal clean - deal well ... and much respect - to you and all that deserve it ... #crysx I didn't say that you can't work together, I said IF. I said that because I was getting the feeling from what you typed you won't work on OC with him because of your previous endeavors. And you aren't working with him presently in OC. You said "there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ..." which means he's not working with you or vice versa, due to whatever reason. I was trying to present OC options; an A, B, and C. 'A' being you two work together, 'B' you fork it yourself, 'C' which is the current state of a lone soopy doing his thing if you werent' coming on board. It would be easier for you to quote PM's, because I don't think we are on the same page. Things may have changed since he came on board, nothing was made known to me. If soopy were our full time dev, it would say Lead Dev or something to that effect. He's the one who made the current title for himself, way back when. If you didn't read the title he has on the OP that's been there since the OP was made, and didn't question it why it was like that (after he told you otherwise?), well, I don't have an answer for why you didn't come forth with that until now. Praising soopy about him returning? I don't see any "praise" of his return from me. A 2 word "greeting"? Welcome back? My spectacular comment was about him fixing the link. I don't see where you are coming from on this. Blatant misrepresentation of your involvement with my knowledge on the subject?? I don't know what your involvement would be. This is the only correspondence I've received from April 15, 2016 from raven about you, it's only his half of a PM convo between you two. Nothing else had been sent to me, nor spoken about. Wow,
that's a lot of information to soak up.
I Am for everything you said, Bettering the coin, chain, tech, for the benefit of all of us involved with OC (Yes including current and future investors.)
But of course no one comes and just 'helps', everyone has a cost......
so what's the underlying question or proposition?
Sorry I hate beating around the bush. I am like you, I like to get shit done, like yesterday status.
Cheers!
-Raven
And BTW i am from the (EDIT: location omitted). Nice to meet you Crysx
I normally would not reveal PM's, apologies to raven, but this is to show you what I'm not involved in. There is not any sensitive info contained in the PM, hence why I feel ok with revealing the content without asking his permission. You stated above: "and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ..." I would ask for a copy, but raven's account is lost for now, so I would need that convo from you. Again, I did not receive any of this convo except what is in the quoted PM above. I don't know why I'm not being kept in any loops. I don't know why facts and stories aren't lining up. Things are being said differently to different people. It's all fine if things change, but let's keep the communication up. Otherwise, this happens. Halo, I commend you for doing that. I do not mind PMs being shared as long as they are relevant to the conversation also if they don't entail too much information. In this case it is fine. Thank you, On another note from reading, @Crysx you're right I do not know how you work... And I mean no offense when I say this then: From the Moment you entered the conversation\thread you have been slamming and pissed off at something. Let's put that aside and start anew. Any talent we can grasp, will be better for all of us as a whole. I OPENLY Communicated that I wanted you to be onboard because the way you explained it to me was you have experience with Developing and maintaining systems, again talent. It is always nice when you have a fresh set of eyes as well to not just oversee but to partake in the project and implement change. Again I mean no offense, those words were not aimed to cause harm in anyway shape or form. Just an observance. @Halo: The only thing Crysx and I talked about was trying to see what he wanted in return for working with us on OC. And how to contact each other via skype or what have you. Back to the subject at hand: I wish I could get some more PMs for everyone. But yes there are Three options currently and we are still at square one. Let's leave the sandbox and play like adults FORREAL, and leave the sandbox to devvies. All of this complaining about whom and what will just drive people away as then we are seen as childish, as a group. Just my two OCs Cheers! -Raven Edited for Punctuation |
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July 01, 2016, 11:22:00 PM
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--SNIP previous quotes---
firstly - that is NOT what was pm'ed me not so long ago - and NOT what has happened ... or is it easier to quote the pms? ...
secondly - there is NEVER a time that soopy and i cannot work with each other ... i have a LOT of respect for soopy as a person and a LOT of respect for him as a dev ... as for his reliability? ... well ...
there is MUCH more to this than is publicly shown - and soopy KNOWS the extent to which he and i have dealt - and have continued to deal ... i pull NO punches - never have and never will ... i say things as i see them and will NEVER change that ... had there been an equitable system put in place - there would be no one pushing and shoving and praising ... but as there is no system in place - your suggestion of my forking the source and working on it - is a blatant misrepresentation of what WE ( raven and i ) had discussed earlier with your apparent knowledge halofire ... especially with regards to my involvement ... the time and effort and money involved in doing this RIGHT - is more than i or my team was willing to do without some form of compensation and / or affiliation or complete takeover ... THAT was the bottom line ... and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ...
which ever way this works now - it is entirely up to you all HOW you deal with this ... its no skin off my nose ... i just dont like the miscommunication AND the false representations of myself and my team - and the things that were and were NOT said ...
if soopy WANTS to work with me on this - he can ... but the garbage about him being 'just' a consultant and he could return anytime he felt and the rest of the blurb - was NEVER brought to my attention here in the thread NOR in private ...
im astounded at what has transpired ... and STILL you continue on about it all being an open discussion and praising soopy about his coming 'back' ... seriously mate! ...
i deal - and work - and make clean and DO the things i say im going to do ... so far - its simply talk - and nothing but ... so let it be just that ... and there will be no hard feelings anywhere ... but when the cookie crumbles and all is stagnant once again - just remeber this situation and what you have said and NOT said ...
im still open for discussion - but not at this level ...
@soopy - stick to what you say and what you promise mate ... too many people of the communities you deal with RELY on your word - and your word as a gentleman ...
you KNOW how i work soopy - raven and halo dont ... and ill continue to work the same as i have - and we have grown much bigger than when you first dealt with me ... deal clean - deal well ...
and much respect - to you and all that deserve it ...
#crysx
I didn't say that you can't work together, I said IF. I said that because I was getting the feeling from what you typed you won't work on OC with him because of your previous endeavors. And you aren't working with him presently in OC. You said "there is no 'granite is next' soopy ... it has never been nor ever will be 'next' ..." which means he's not working with you or vice versa, due to whatever reason. I was trying to present OC options; an A, B, and C. 'A' being you two work together, 'B' you fork it yourself, 'C' which is the current state of a lone soopy doing his thing if you werent' coming on board. It would be easier for you to quote PM's, because I don't think we are on the same page. Things may have changed since he came on board, nothing was made known to me. If soopy were our full time dev, it would say Lead Dev or something to that effect. He's the one who made the current title for himself, way back when. If you didn't read the title he has on the OP that's been there since the OP was made, and didn't question it why it was like that (after he told you otherwise?), well, I don't have an answer for why you didn't come forth with that until now. Praising soopy about him returning? I don't see any "praise" of his return from me. A 2 word "greeting"? Welcome back? My spectacular comment was about him fixing the link. I don't see where you are coming from on this. Blatant misrepresentation of your involvement with my knowledge on the subject?? I don't know what your involvement would be. This is the only correspondence I've received from April 15, 2016 from raven about you, it's only his half of a PM convo between you two. Nothing else had been sent to me, nor spoken about. Wow,
that's a lot of information to soak up.
I Am for everything you said, Bettering the coin, chain, tech, for the benefit of all of us involved with OC (Yes including current and future investors.)
But of course no one comes and just 'helps', everyone has a cost......
so what's the underlying question or proposition?
Sorry I hate beating around the bush. I am like you, I like to get shit done, like yesterday status.
Cheers!
-Raven
And BTW i am from the (EDIT: location omitted). Nice to meet you Crysx
I normally would not reveal PM's, apologies to raven, but this is to show you what I'm not involved in. There is not any sensitive info contained in the PM, hence why I feel ok with revealing the content without asking his permission. You stated above: "and what was teh response raven gave me in return to it? ... read back on the pms and refresh your memory mate - or ask for a copy from raven ..." I would ask for a copy, but raven's account is lost for now, so I would need that convo from you. Again, I did not receive any of this convo except what is in the quoted PM above. I don't know why I'm not being kept in any loops. I don't know why facts and stories aren't lining up. Things are being said differently to different people. It's all fine if things change, but let's keep the communication up. Otherwise, this happens. Halo, I commend you for doing that. I do not mind PMs being shared as long as they are relevant to the conversation also if they don't entail too much information. In this case it is fine. Thank you, On another note from reading, @Crysx you're right I do not know how you work... And I mean no offense when I say this then: From the Moment you entered the conversation\thread you have been slamming and pissed off at something. Let's put that aside and start anew. Any talent we can grasp, will be better for all of us as a whole. I OPENLY Communicated that I wanted you to be onboard because the way you explained it to me was you have experience with Developing and maintaining systems, again talent. It is always nice when you have a fresh set of eyes as well to not just oversee but to partake in the project and implement change. Again I mean no offense, those words were not aimed to cause harm in anyway shape or form. Just an observance. @Halo: The only thing Crysx and I talked about was trying to see what he wanted in return for working with us on OC. And how to contact each other via skype or what have you. Back to the subject at hand: I wish I could get some more PMs for everyone. But yes there are Three options currently and we are still at square one. Let's leave the sandbox and play like adults FORREAL, and leave the sandbox to devvies. All of this complaining about whom and what will just drive people away as then we are seen as childish, as a group. Just my two OCs Cheers! -Raven Edited for Punctuation Thanks Raven for understanding. "From the Moment you entered the conversation\thread you have been slamming and pissed off at something." Yeah, I noticed it a few different times, but paid no mind. I believe soopy and crysx have something to talk about that doesn't involve us, raven. I'm staying out of it. |
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July 02, 2016, 12:24:27 AM |
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crysx
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July 02, 2016, 03:43:28 AM |
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@halo and @raven ( in no particular order except alphabetical ) ... there is no 'pissed' situation here ... but you are correct in saying that soopy and i have had some issues we needed to sort ... they are still prevalent ... there are so many things that are required for the redevelopment of ANY coin - let alone one that requires a FULL redo ... yes - i said FULL ... whatever happens here - it will be for the betterment of the coin - and ourselves ... i dont slam - especially for no reason ... i state facts and i mentioned the ease of publishing pms - because i 'normally' dont publish them ... thats why they are called private ... ive said what ive said - and thats as far as it goes ... thats the way i work ... start anew? ... sure ... ill watch from the sidelines and work on the infrastructure and ecosystem that we are building while i do that ... currently - there is no incentive here for my team and i - and that was what the negotiation was all about ... thats the reason why a lot of devs will not come in - unless they have something to benefit - even if its just a 'tanx dev' for the accolades and reputation - which some developers are happy to do like soopy ... a very talented dev - a good guy - but benefits very little from the community that he supports ... which is why he spreads himself thin over so many projects ... again - im NOT having a go - or getting 'pissed' at - or anything of the sort ... im stating facts and voicing them ... thats the way i work ... my team and i are building an ecosystem FOR supporting the projects that we support - and that requires time and effort and most of all - DEDICATION ... this means - complete focus on the projects at hand - rather than spreading the focus elsewhere ... what this also means is that IF there is help that can be given - fine ... IF there is a project that can be collaborated with - fine ... IF there is a project that can be taken over - fine ... it does NOT mean disappearing for months on end after committing yourself to a time frame and plan of work ... so if a commitment is forthcoming - you be damned sure we stick to it - and thats one of the reasons i trust very few here in crypto - their COMMITMENT and RELIABILITY ... and so the result? ... i sound like im having a go - or getting pissed - or being an aggressive - due to these and many other factors ... i may be some or all of those things at one time or another - but im not a commitment jumper - and will certainly not break my word when given ... if this project is to succeed - it needs structure and plan and more than anything - a LEAD ... id like to see what happens here in the very near future - and if im involved - it will not be in a small way ... otherwise - i dont get involved at all ... btw ... i must admit - the ONE thing i am actually really pissed about - is the inaccessibility of my previous account 'chrysophylax' ... so many mails - so many contacts - and so close to legendary ... :| ... #crysx |
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@halo and @raven ( in no particular order except alphabetical ) ... there is no 'pissed' situation here ... but you are correct in saying that soopy and i have had some issues we needed to sort ... they are still prevalent ... there are so many things that are required for the redevelopment of ANY coin - let alone one that requires a FULL redo ... yes - i said FULL ... whatever happens here - it will be for the betterment of the coin - and ourselves ... i dont slam - especially for no reason ... i state facts and i mentioned the ease of publishing pms - because i 'normally' dont publish them ... thats why they are called private ... ive said what ive said - and thats as far as it goes ... thats the way i work ... start anew? ... sure ... ill watch from the sidelines and work on the infrastructure and ecosystem that we are building while i do that ... currently - there is no incentive here for my team and i - and that was what the negotiation was all about ... thats the reason why a lot of devs will not come in - unless they have something to benefit - even if its just a 'tanx dev' for the accolades and reputation - which some developers are happy to do like soopy ... a very talented dev - a good guy - but benefits very little from the community that he supports ... which is why he spreads himself thin over so many projects ... again - im NOT having a go - or getting 'pissed' at - or anything of the sort ... im stating facts and voicing them ... thats the way i work ... my team and i are building an ecosystem FOR supporting the projects that we support - and that requires time and effort and most of all - DEDICATION ... this means - complete focus on the projects at hand - rather than spreading the focus elsewhere ... what this also means is that IF there is help that can be given - fine ... IF there is a project that can be collaborated with - fine ... IF there is a project that can be taken over - fine ... it does NOT mean disappearing for months on end after committing yourself to a time frame and plan of work ... so if a commitment is forthcoming - you be damned sure we stick to it - and thats one of the reasons i trust very few here in crypto - their COMMITMENT and RELIABILITY ... and so the result? ... i sound like im having a go - or getting pissed - or being an aggressive - due to these and many other factors ... i may be some or all of those things at one time or another - but im not a commitment jumper - and will certainly not break my word when given ... if this project is to succeed - it needs structure and plan and more than anything - a LEAD ... id like to see what happens here in the very near future - and if im involved - it will not be in a small way ... otherwise - i dont get involved at all ... btw ... i must admit - the ONE thing i am actually really pissed about - is the inaccessibility of my previous account 'chrysophylax' ... so many mails - so many contacts - and so close to legendary ... :| ... #crysx Well said mate, you did not come cross as pissed again well informed about the structure and situation of current crypto. Imagine like waves chrome repository updating wallet. No blockchain download. Just PURE JUICY CRYPTO. Cheers! -Raven |
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