ion.cash "developer" a.k.a. Anonymint goes off the deep end

[smooth]

However, I don't think it is trust abuse, within the context of the cryptocurrency marketplace. Hype of vaporware and conveniently selective disclosure of information is something that has been used by scammers and has a high risk of being employed by someone who is scamming.

Smooth you live in a fantasy world. You know damn well I am not hyping vaporware because you've even seen the Blake2 hash I coded in Scala this past week.

What I've seen is irrelevant as I'm not the one making a scamming allegation, though I have told you a few times now that your hyping without willingness to back it up with evidence will raise that suspicion. Which it does and will.

Again another of your epic logic fails.

My signature line clearly points to a Hero reputation from 2013.

Hero users can and do scam. Often via purchased Hero accounts (or lower Sr, etc. accounts that are mined up to Hero), sometimes not.

Or someone could falsely claim to be a new version of an old Hero account, without proof.

I'm not saying I believe these things, but others might.

And again you argue ad nauseum on a point that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

He has provided no strong evidence of any of these things. His evidence links to the opening post of this thread, which is a bunch of links to a cat fight.

Smooth when I evaluate people for their efficacy, one thing I look it is how well they reason to the effective point of it. Logic ad nauseum isn't logical.

I think the reason he linked this thread is simply that he quoted your original post there (with functional claims). He wants a version that can't be edited. But you would have to ask him, I'm just guessing.

Correction: When I looked earlier I thought his trust rating linked to a quote of your post but now it does not. I have no idea what he's thinking. Shrug. Time for me to move on from this drama I guess.

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[TPTB_need_war]

Re-read my prior post. I have provided a chronology which makes my case irrefutable.

[TPTB_need_war]

Ion is (from what most of us can tell or guess) a crypto/coding genius with little patience for the slower people asking bothersome questions. Not saying smoothie is one of the 'slower people' at all.  I think Ion's responses are a little defensive and impatient, but then again I do not see at all how this can be worthy of a negative trust rating. He said he would not divulge anything that gives competition any hints into his epiphanies.

Smoothie did just seem genuinely interested and kind of respectful and just got a little bit roughly treated. I'm sure you guys can work it out and get the negative trust removed for now until some real evidence for scamming/untrustworthy behaviour can be found.

Please re-review the chronological record. Your summary does not appear to be accurate.

[1] Also the timing of his Trust report is when I told him to his face that he was making Freudian slips with his use of the words "humble" and "immaturity" and that he was employing psychological warfare. I outed him and he didn't like it. So he proceeded to use every weapon in his toolchest to try to discredit me. The circumstances along with the evidence presented clearly show his motivation is revenge. And the reason is clear also. He was embarrassed because he started off initially attacking me over the definition of the 'delegated'. And then I pointed out that only a simpleton, non-skilled programmer assumes that delegation must be married to trust. Rather than eating humble pie, he turned Freudian and blamed me for not being humble and not putting the entire thread in the opening post.

Here he starts the conflation of 'delegated' and 'trusted':

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171109.msg12374689#msg12374689

So then I explained to him not to conflate the two, yet he repeats for the second time that he doesn't understand the definition of 'delegated':

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171109.msg12374976#msg12374976

After r0ach tried to explain it to him, then I explained it to him yet again and asked him kindly to not start a word war:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171109.msg12375049#msg12375049

Then for the third time he repeated his insistance on conflating the words 'delegated' and 'trusted' even after he has been told already 3X and by 2 experts not to do that:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171109.msg12375107#msg12375107

Then after r0ach tries to warn him the 4th time, he then defiantly states he is not trolling:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171109.msg12375170#msg12375170

But then he proceeds over to my thread to repeat the same nonsense some more as follows...

First, I had to explain it to him again for the 5th time and again caution him that I wasn't going to reveal the secrets of how I unconflate the delegation and the trust:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174653.msg12375146#msg12375146

Yet for the 5th time he repeats his same insistence that delegation must be married to trust:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174653.msg12375327#msg12375327

Around that point he started blaming me for his inability to read and saying I wasn't humble:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174653.msg12377982#msg12377982

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174653.msg12378045#msg12378045

I asked they move that detailed delegation issue discussion to another thread and it looked like maybe he was going to be reasonable, so I allowed his link to the new thread to remain in my thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1175585.msg12375430#msg12375430

And I even pointed out to monsterer that it seemed to me like Smoothie was starting to genuinely think about a potential middle ground and I thought he had opened his mind and become more reasonable finally:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1175585.msg12375644#msg12375644

But then he backslides and joins in with the VanillaCoin investors who want to attack me:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1175585.msg12375676#msg12375676

And he starts attacking me ad hominem:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1175585.msg12375708#msg12375708

Again I apologize profusely (2X) and beg one more time for mutual respect and level headedness (am I am not humble  ):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1175585.msg12375715#msg12375715

Then smooth jumps on the bandwagon too with them all attacking me:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1175585.msg12375982#msg12375982

Then Smoothie starts with his Freudian slips attacks where he is projecting his lack of humbleness and immaturity as accusations on me when in fact he is covering for big ego and butt hurt over being told 5 times not to conflate delegation and trust by both myself and r0ach:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1175585.msg12377446#msg12377446

[iCEBREAKER]

Re-read my prior post. I have provided a chronology which makes my case irrefutable.

Yes, the case for you being the most tedious, unproductive, cranky, self-pitying poser in the history of Trolltalk is irrefutable.

[TPTB_need_war]

Re-read my prior post. I have provided a chronology which makes my case irrefutable.

Yes, the case for you being the most tedious, unproductive, cranky, self-pitying poser in the history of Trolltalk is irrefutable.

You are conceding your only claim to fame to me  

[illodin]

I have to say the negative trust bothers me, I don't support it, and I think it should be removed. But that is based on my personal opinion that ion.cash is sincere and is not scamming.

Because you don't believe smoothie was scammed by ion.cash and you don't strongly believe ion.cash is a scammer (as per the very definition of the negative trust) you can place positive trust on him to negate negative rating.

It's entirely legitimate to give someone a new positive rating just to negate a negative rating.

[TPTB_need_war]

I)  A common complaint of DPoS is that it can't be decentralized because it has the word "delegated" in the title...

Just like when I delegate the transfer of my internet packets to my ISP and all the router hops along the way, thus my participation in the internet is no longer decentralized.  

That is the fabulous logic of Smoothie which he tried to ram down our throat 5 or more times.

As I tried to explain to that young punk several times, if the routers are fungible, replaceable, and can't be monopolized, then the packets find their way to the destination, without need to trust or centralize. Delegation should not be conflated with centralization, nor trust. We told him this 5 or more times, yet he still insisted.

And he claims to be a software developer. I wouldn't let him any where near my code.

By my own profession (software developer)

[generalizethis]

I have to say the negative trust bothers me, I don't support it, and I think it should be removed. But that is based on my personal opinion that ion.cash is sincere and is not scamming.

Because you don't believe smoothie was scammed by ion.cash and you don't strongly believe ion.cash is a scammer (as per the very definition of the negative trust) you can place positive trust on him to negate negative rating.

It's entirely legitimate to give someone a new positive rating just to negate a negative rating.

This is a first, I agree with Illodin.  

I gave ion.cash a positive rating as i don't think a flame war is a trust issue--it's a clash of egos. If it was a personality rating, I'd think smoothie would have a legitimate argument for handing out negative scores based on personalities clashing.

[r0ach]

I see this - http://s3.postimg.org/7ndf8rq81/smoothie.png

That's an interesting trust system if people can claim they were scammed out of 21 million bitcoins.  Maybe Satoshi didn't want anyone to mine and believes we are all stealing from him.  Satoshi then goes on to create the largest legal case ever, demanding damages for 10x the market value for each theft of virtual coin by brute force attacks against his encryption.

[favdesu]

trust is not only used for busting scammers, many use it that way though.

I can understand OPs logic, as it's perfectly fine to distrust an altcoin dev who's hyping / promising the world. also, he stated that he will delete the trust if the coin is fully released as promised.

and insulting people leads to situations like this. very unprofessional behavior.

[generalizethis]

trust is not only used for busting scammers, many use it that way though.

I can understand OPs logic, as it's perfectly fine to distrust an altcoin dev who's hyping / promising the world. also, he stated that he will delete the trust if the coin is fully released as promised.

and insulting people leads to situations like this. very unprofessional behavior.

I distrust the OP's logic, but giving him a negative trust score based on that is, at least in my mind, niggling and petty.

[TPTB_need_war]

I can understand OPs logic, as it's perfectly fine to distrust an altcoin dev who's hyping / promising the world. also, he stated that he will delete the trust if the coin is fully released as promised.

It is okay to personally distrust. It is not okay for some young punk who can't achieve what I can to put red warning on my user name (as ion.cash) when I've been posting in these forums since April 2013 as Anonymint.

I have invested my time and effort in this forum, community and technology for 2.5 years. If we will do not have a meritocracy here in this community, then we have nothing of value. We can't hand the power to each other to destroy each other in a non-meritorious manner. That is basically theft.

If that is the system we are going to have here, then it is insanity. You can't have young punks thinking they can run rough shod over 50 year old seriously accomplished software developers.

If that is the idiotic system you want, then you deserve the fact that serious software developers refuse to develop for your dysfunctional community and that is why you end up with shitcoins instead.

I do not appreciate the disrespectful nonsense.

There is no hype. All of these foolish bastards are going to eat their foolish words. And no I will not accept their apologies because they are not the altcoin police. No one appointed them to that role. They may view themselves as responsible members of the community, but that is their personal delusion akin to masturbation. Instead they are destroyers of the community. And they will likely be outcasts from the community given the way they are treating me. Seriously I will build a new community if necessary. I do not prefer to reinvent the wheel. I think the community here can get its act together. Apparently some leadership is needed. Smoothie would not be the sort of leader you want, unless you want failure.

and insulting people leads to situations like this. very unprofessional behavior.

Again review the chronology and you can clearly see who was disrespectful. Your post is very disrespectful to me. I have taken time to document the chronology (a major waste of my time forced upon me by this punk Smoothie). If you can't read, then I guess I have to add you to the list of lazy fuckers who do not respect the truth and do not believe in meritocracy.


The entire point of Bitcoin is to build a meritocracy.

Posts like the above lose the plot entirely. I don't know what these fools are smoking. I know the education system is destroying the youth in the West, they feel they are entitled to everything, and I am nearly certain the foolish posts usually come from the 20 and 30 year olds. They really believe they are equal to their elders and they can waste their time, ad hominem attack them and then wonder why someone calls them an asshole or a lazy fucker. They been indoctrinated into socialism and equality and forgot about expertise, wisdom, experience, and meritocracy. There is a reason we used to respect our elders. It is because they know more than you do.



As for the disrespectful punk Smoothie, my 25 year old gf says, "please tell him to come to my place in Mindanao". Come on Smoothie, the climate is the same as where you are. Let's see you do that shit over here.

[TPTB_need_war]

Our community...

Aren't you proud?

I dont understand the metaphore? Can you explain?

How is NXT close to MTGOX?

NXT = Java = popular websites = MtGox

Can you do anything other than troll and conflate separate concerns?

Java == MtGox. You've just destroyed any shred of credibility you had remaining.

I was asked to explain the metaphor, and that's what I did.

Metaphors should be logical.

Metaphors should be apt.

If they were strictly logical (ie literally true) they wouldn't be metaphors!

The definition of 'logic' is not 'literally true', rather a logical metaphor is one that doesn't have an obvious case of dissimilarity or where the similarity does not exist.

MtGox was programmed in PHP thus Java has an obvious direct dissimilarity with MtGox which is stronger than the transitive similarity you argued comes from popular websites because in fact you would be arguing every popular website is both MtGox and Nxt.

Logic fail. And this is why you are not worth shit. Go hide under a rock loser. You aren't worth another second of my time.

Note to readers I am treating iCEBREAKER so harshly because he is so incredibly disrespectful to everyone. Just read his archives.

NXT = Java = popular websites = MtGox

I like such games. My turn:

iCEBREAKER = Titanic = Eisberg = A lot of people killed = Hitler

Hahaha, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law this thread can be closed.

If NXT is a scam then Ethereum is even bigger one.

It sure feels like this community is devolving into frustrated suicide.

Seriously the community is dying. All sorts of dysfunctional crap going on.

No strong leaders since Satoshi left.

Lots of self-important masturbation ever since.

[iCEBREAKER]

  iCEBREAKER is so incredibly disrespectful to everyone   

Someone on the internet is being rude?  You should fill out a Butthurt Report Form.

[TPTB_need_war]

I am so proud of this forum where the baboons are allowed to dominate.

[traumschiff]

There is no hype. All of these foolish bastards are going to eat their foolish words. And no I will not accept their apologies because they are not the altcoin police. No one appointed them to that role.

Recently every few comments of yours is about how you solved world hunger and every single on of bitcoins/satoshis problems, meanwhile you exactly reveal 0 code and proof. Currently this is nothing, but a non-existent vaporware, from which you speak as if there was anything down on the table except your past.

Also on another comment you stated that you will be back in 3 months meaning you have probably nothing coded yet and it's just an idea of which you simply brag about. This is the definition of hype.

[TPTB_need_war]

Recently every few comments of yours is about how you solved world hunger

I have never claimed that.

The claims I have made about having two unpublished white papers which explain how to do the features I have claimed are factually true statements.

If you want to wager enough BTC (put your money where you mouth is), we can arrange for an independent third party to verify and then I will appreciate taking that BTC from you.

[traumschiff]

Recently every few comments of yours is about how you solved world hunger

I have never claimed that.

The claims I have made about having two unpublished white papers which explain how to do the features I have claimed are factually true statements.

I'm not saying they are not true, but you don't prove it so it is nothing else, but hype. Expected you to understand my simple comment since you seem like a clever guy.

If you want to wager enough BTC (put your money where you mouth is), we can arrange for an independent third party to verify and then I will appreciate taking that BTC from you.

This doesn't prove anything. You fail to understand my point.

You state you don't hype, but promoting/advertising without substance (or proof) behind it makes it hype. It's so simple.

[Shrikez]

since you announced your project I have been eating potatoes and drinking tap water to save up for investing in it.

Please disable your network adapter and start coding, thank you

[TPTB_need_war]

Recently every few comments of yours is about how you solved world hunger

I have never claimed that.

The claims I have made about having two unpublished white papers which explain how to do the features I have claimed are factually true statements.

I'm not saying they are not true, but you don't prove it so it is nothing else, but hype. Expected you to understand my simple comment since you seem like a clever guy.

My claims were made in my one thread and made in a very subdued manner. I didn't go around hyping. The amount of attention and energy directed at slandering me is incredibly disproportionate to the amount of attention I actually solicited. Have fun with your useless masturbation.

I think you need to learn how to use a dictionary:

hype1

noun
1.
extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion.

verb
1.
promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

since you announced your project I have been eating potatoes and drinking tap water to save up for investing in it.

Please disable your network adapter and start coding, thank you

Lol. You made my day.