Need to Report Trust Issue

[knightkon]

I just did a transaction with someone.  I am not sure yet, but it looks like they are trying to screw me.  Claimed over an hour ago they were sending bitcoin and I have received nothing yet.  Can i avoid receiving (-) comments from him if I leave a (-) trust rating for him?  I did nothing and sent first and now nothing from him and he logged off after I sent to him.  Advise please?  I am a newbie until Tuesday and I do nto want to ruin my account when I did nothing.

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[Patejl]

So lemme get this correct, did he scam you?
And btw if he did, you should make a topic in: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 in this format: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0
And don't worry his negative feedback will have no effect on your account if the person giving it is not from default trust, which I doubt as DT members are very trusted.

[knightkon]

So lemme get this correct, did he scam you?
And btw if he did, you should make a topic in: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 in this format: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0
And don't worry his negative feedback will have no effect on your account if the person giving it is not from default trust, which I doubt as DT members are very trusted.

I am giving him a few hours, but it does look like he scammed me.  He is a hero member, so I do not know if my (-) trust will have any effect on him.

[hilariousandco]

Who scammed you and for how much?

You can't really stop people from leaving you retaliatory feedback but if you post the evidence other people will leave negative if appropriate.

[alesx.onfire]

link to his profile

[Vod]

I just did a transaction with someone.  I am not sure yet, but it looks like they are trying to screw me.  Claimed over an hour ago they were sending bitcoin and I have received nothing yet.  Can i avoid receiving (-) comments from him if I leave a (-) trust rating for him?  I did nothing and sent first and now nothing from him and he logged off after I sent to him.  Advise please?  I am a newbie until Tuesday and I do nto want to ruin my account when I did nothing.

We need more details. 

[knightkon]

We need more details. 

On September 12th, I posted this post, offering $ through Paypal for bitcoin:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1177699.msg12396489#msg12396489

The same day JerryCurlzzz sent me this message:

Hey, I would like to take the trade.
I don't use PayPal, but I really need something, so I will give you my website account name and password and you will buy it directly. I will give you +10% rate if you can do it for me.

My response was:

Please explain the process with this.

His response was:

You will enter this site http://gta-multiplayer.cz/en.  Login into my account. Then click on "Game Shop" in the menu. See categories and click on "Money on web" and choose "Money on web - 60.00 USD" and "Money on web - 11.00 USD", price should be 60.00 USD. Click "Pay" and choose PayPal as a payment method, then click on "Complete payment". Now continue with your PayPal account and tell me when it's completed. I will send you 70.00 USD in BTC. It looks so long, but it will take you around 2 minutes...

My Response was:

There was no place to log in, but i see the money on the web link

His response was:

Do you have skype so I can tell you my account details and go with your through the things? I don't really like chatting through Bitcointalk...
The whole trade can be done in a few minutes

My response was:

I do not have skype

I responded:

I do not have skype

The then asked me:

Do you have any instant messenger? Facebook for example...

I then went over his site (http://gta-multiplayer.cz/en) and reviewed it.  I understood that wrong and thought he was charging me $60 for $50 in Bitcoin.  So I then responded to him with this:

Im sorry I reviewed the website and your fees are high for me.  Thank you anyhow.

He then posted on my thread (which it seems he deleted all his responses, on thread, to me now) asking me what I was talking about, that he was charging no fees and I was a scammer and he was going to leave (-) feedback.  He then PMed me this:

What? I don't give you any fees, you will get 10$ bonus.
Or maybe it's because you can't chargeback from the site?
Leaving negative trust.

I then responded:

I am sorry, I read this backwards.  I thought I was paying $60 for $50, not the other way around!  I am sorry about that.  When I clicked on the amount, it came up asking me for a name and password.  Do I need to register?  Walk me through the steps please.

He then responded:

No, I will give you my login details if you agree to the terms.
So, do you have any instant messenger so we can chat faster?

I then responded:

You can get me on facebook at Steve Jones.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006005327140

Our chat then moved to Facebook:

Conversation started today
Jakub Dalík     9:20am
Hi, I am JerryCurlzzz from Bitcointalk

Steve Jones     9:37am
hey
sry for the delay
so what are the terms and how does this work?

Jakub Dalík     9:38am
You will enter this site http://gta-multiplayer.cz/en.  Login into my account. Then click on "Game Shop" in the menu. See categories and click on "Money on web" and choose "Money on web - 60.00 USD" and "Money on web - 11.00 USD", price should be 60.00 USD. Click "Pay" and choose PayPal as a payment method, then click on "Complete payment". Now continue with your PayPal account and tell me when it's completed. I will send you 70.00 USD in BTC. It looks so long, but it will take you around 2 minutes..
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Jakub Dalík     9:38am
login details are
name: Nyau
password: BitcointalkDeal

Steve Jones     9:39am
how long will it take to get the bitcoin?

Jakub Dalík     9:40am
you will get it right after the purchase is done

Steve Jones     9:41am
Can I do more than that?

Jakub Dalík     9:41am
more than 60 usd?

Steve Jones     9:42am
yes

Jakub Dalík     9:42am
no theres a limit

Steve Jones     9:42am
so I can do 2 $60's

Jakub Dalík     9:42am
maybe i dont know
lets try the first 60 usd ok? grin emoticon
if you are logged in then go here
http://www.gta-multiplayer.cz/en/shop/
then click on Money on web
in category
click on 60 USD ( price is 50 ) and then on 11 USD ( price is 10 )

Steve Jones     9:46am
I just did the $50 for $60 one right now.

Jakub Dalík     9:47am
ok continue and pay with paypal

Steve Jones     9:47am
already done

Jakub Dalík      9:47am
ok i will check it

Steve Jones     9:53am
now what do need to do?
*do I need to do

Jakub Dalík      9:53am
minute please

Steve Jones     9:53am
np

Jakub Dalík     10:00am
ok give me your address

Steve Jones     10:01am
1McwDLJ9RdoWqsYTDhvsvuhtcyojfycmmR
I set this up specifically for you
for future reference, can I just message you here to do this, or should I post on bitcointalk so we can leave feedback?

Jakub Dalík      10:12am
ehh... you can message me here and do whatever you want smile emoticon
sending now

Steve Jones      10:14am
sounds good.  Let me know how long I should wait after receiving to do another

Steve Jones     10:38am
how long will it take to receive BTC

Steve Jones      10:57am
Hello?

This was the last I heard from him.  He deleted all of the posts he made on his threads.  How can I warn about him and will it effect me if he retaliate against me though feedback/trust?

[Vod]

Paypal always sides against Bitcoin - just do a chargeback.

The admins can tell if messages or PMs have been deleted, but not sure if they will bother since you haven't actually lost any money.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Dumb question but what fee was included in the transaction? There is a stress test currently under way which is majorly slowing down many, many bitcoin transactions.

Just a thought, ignore me if a fee above whatever Coinwallet (or whatever they're called) is using to spam the network.

[Vod]

knightkon - I have left feedback for JerryCurlzzz asking him to give us his side of the story.

[unholycactus]

Dumb question but what fee was included in the transaction? There is a stress test currently under way which is majorly slowing down many, many bitcoin transactions.

Just a thought, ignore me if a fee above whatever Coinwallet (or whatever they're called) is using to spam the network.

I'm not sure which wallet service doesn't show 0 confirmation transactions.

[Athertle]

Dumb question but what fee was included in the transaction? There is a stress test currently under way which is majorly slowing down many, many bitcoin transactions.

Just a thought, ignore me if a fee above whatever Coinwallet (or whatever they're called) is using to spam the network.

If there is an unconfirmed transaction, it still shows up in the transactions log. It's just that your balance doesn't get credited. I believe that the OP hasn't gotten any transactions into his log; have you? That might be the issue.

[Vod]

Can you go into your paypal and give us a screenshot of the transaction?  (Be sure to black out any personal details)

[knightkon]

Paypal always sides against Bitcoin - just do a chargeback.

The admins can tell if messages or PMs have been deleted, but not sure if they will bother since you haven't actually lost any money.

I did loose $50.00.  I am going to try to do a charge back, but the site I went to seems like it set up to prevent that.

[Grumpster]

I did loose $50.00.  I am going to try to do a charge back, but the site I went to seems like it set up to prevent that.

Making any purchase off a website will allow you to use the chargeback/dispute feature.

Unless you used a "Donate" button which may well mean you're S.O.L if you didn't pay with a credit card or use a different IP address from normal. (so you could claim unauthorized use)

[unholycactus]

I did loose $50.00.  I am going to try to do a charge back, but the site I went to seems like it set up to prevent that.

Making any purchase off a website will allow you to use the chargeback/dispute feature.

Unless you used a "Donate" button which may well mean you're S.O.L if you didn't pay with a credit card or use a different IP address from normal. (so you could claim unauthorized use)

It wouldn't be fair (probably illegal too) to claim unauthorized use because it's not what happened.

[Grumpster]

It wouldn't be fair (probably illegal too) to claim unauthorized use because it's not what happened.

It's also not fair that some guy who appeared "trusted" took this guy for a ride and scammed him. Claiming unauthorized use is the lesser of the two evils, by far.

[knightkon]

Can you go into your paypal and give us a screenshot of the transaction?  (Be sure to black out any personal details)

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/c6a00b_cc18704a05004528a83350d5091d5f1c.jpg_srz_p_967_726_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz

there is a link tot he picture where I paid him the $50.00 this morning.

[Vod]

Can you go into your paypal and give us a screenshot of the transaction?  (Be sure to black out any personal details)

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/c6a00b_cc18704a05004528a83350d5091d5f1c.jpg_srz_p_967_726_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz

there is a link tot he picture where I paid him the $50.00 this morning.

Excellent.  Thank you.

The onus is now on JerryCurlzzz.  In the meantime his negative trust should stop him from scamming others.

Good luck with the charge back - I think you'll be OK as long as you are honest with them.

[knightkon]

Can you go into your paypal and give us a screenshot of the transaction?  (Be sure to black out any personal details)

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/c6a00b_cc18704a05004528a83350d5091d5f1c.jpg_srz_p_967_726_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz

there is a link tot he picture where I paid him the $50.00 this morning.

Excellent.  Thank you.

The onus is now on JerryCurlzzz.  In the meantime his negative trust should stop him from scamming others.

Good luck with the charge back - I think you'll be OK as long as you are honest with them.

I am not the type to claim what is not the truth.  I did a charge back, regular and told them the story.  I can not claim unauthorized, for it was authorized.  If I get my money back, great, if not, then I have learned a $50 lesson.  However in the mean time, I am going to make it my goal to be able to change Paypal for bitcoin.  I am transferring money to my account and ordering bitcoin this week and I will find a secure way to accept Paypal and give bitcoin.  People like this guy give the future of bitcoin a bad name.  I will post once I have a sure way to do this.

Special thanks to Vod for his attention to this.  I thought I would be on my own with this and you have given me hope. 

To all you out there, I will find a secure way to transfer BTC to PAYPAL and Back, a way that protects both parties!  Thanks again for all those who helped!!