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October 12, 2012, 10:25:50 PM
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We should discuss the chilling effects of long time user Rarity being banned for questioning Theymos in the scam accusations forum.  Theymos may feel he is totally innocent in his role as a partner and officer with GLBSE but on a forum which depends on free speech for its value it is quite disturbing that this is the method used when the head administrator is questioned.   The conflict of interests between Theymos' role with GLBSE and his role as overseer of the moderators on this forum who are judging scam accusations against his company has come to a point where it cannot be ignored when critics are being silenced.  Theymos should step down as administrator on Bitcointalk at least until this matter is resolved.  Even if totally innocent, the appearance of impropriety in this case is stark.
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October 12, 2012, 10:31:23 PM
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I think it was more then that have you seen the Spam he/she post with utter nonsense? As we all know free speech is limited to the venue which the speech is being held.

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October 12, 2012, 10:31:31 PM
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We should discuss the chilling effects of long time user Rarity being banned for questioning Theymos in the scam accusations forum.  Theymos may feel he is totally innocent in his role as a partner and officer with GLBSE but on a forum which depends on free speech for its value it is quite disturbing that this is the method used when the head administrator is questioned.   The conflict of interests between Theymos' role with GLBSE and his role as overseer of the moderators on this forum who are judging scam accusations against his company has come to a point where it cannot be ignored when critics are being silenced.  Theymos should step down as administrator on Bitcointalk at least until this matter is resolved.  Even if totally innocent, the appearance of impropriety in this case is stark.
The COI that mods on this forum have has already been previously demonstrated. I maintain that any mod who has a conflict of interest must not get involved in any censorship, banning, or relocation of threads pertaining to the issue; rather, they should Report the post or user just like the rest of us should.

This has occurred in the past with Bitcoin Foundation: Gavin unfairly maintains its post in Bitcoin Discussion, with a sticky dedicated to it, while competing foundations are promptly and correctly moved out.

I don't believe that theymos should step down at this time. However, more open and democratic process on BitcoinTalk is past due. If this censorship continues, perhaps VIP members should vote to resolve these issues.
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October 12, 2012, 10:33:37 PM
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good luck

they don't have to, so they won't

This is not some pseudoeconomic post-modern Libertarian cult, it's an un-led, crowd-sourced mega startup organized around mutual self-interest where problems, whether of the theoretical or purely practical variety, are treated as temporary and, ultimately, solvable.
Censorship of e-gold was easy. Censorship of Bitcoin will be… entertaining.
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October 12, 2012, 10:36:37 PM
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The foundation thing is perfect example of how the venue sets the rules, maybe we need a bitcoin forum foundation JK. V.I.P voting sounds like its the right idea.

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October 12, 2012, 10:39:18 PM
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I think it was more then that have you seen the Spam he/she post with utter nonsense? As we all know free speech is limited to the venue which the speech is being held.

I have not seen Rarity ever post spam or nonsense.  I think you are letting your personal views cloud the issue here.  Long time users, even if you disagree with them, should not be banned for expressing their views. 

If Bitcointalk wants to be a venue that allows all kinds of free speech aside from criticism of staff involved with businesses that are going under, they should say so. 
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October 12, 2012, 10:52:39 PM
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I know for a fact that Rarity wasn't banned for the theymos thread. Not going to tell you why Rarity was banned because I'm not sure I can disclose it, or else I would tell you.

Try harder, Rarity.
Yes, I'm saying you're a Rarity sockpuppet. You're lucky this isn't your beloved SA forums or else you'd need to pay again to come back.

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October 12, 2012, 11:04:51 PM
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I am simply a concerned Bitcointalk user.  I would post with my real name, but I would risk facing the same moderator retribution Rarity faced.

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I know for a fact that Rarity wasn't banned for the theymos thread.

So what was she banned for?  If you actually know something, share it with us.
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October 13, 2012, 12:03:59 AM
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come on guys, this is one of the free'est forums on the web

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October 13, 2012, 12:19:02 AM
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I know for a fact that Rarity wasn't banned for the theymos thread. Not going to tell you why Rarity was banned because I'm not sure I can disclose it, or else I would tell you.

I was under the impression he was banned for the thread about dank he posted in Scam Accusations.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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October 13, 2012, 12:22:53 AM
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I know for a fact that Rarity wasn't banned for the theymos thread. Not going to tell you why Rarity was banned because I'm not sure I can disclose it, or else I would tell you.

I was under the impression he was banned for the thread about dank he posted in Scam Accusations.

Rarity and Dank have been going at it for ages.  If Rarity was officially banned for that it just seems like an excuse.  Besides, if anyone was trolling there it was the guy who intentionally played a poor version of Mary Had A Little Lamb just to get a rise out of her.
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October 13, 2012, 12:36:56 AM
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Rarity and Dank have been going at it for ages.  If Rarity was officially banned for that it just seems like an excuse.  Besides, if anyone was trolling there it was the guy who intentionally played a poor version of Mary Had A Little Lamb just to get a rise out of her.

dank's as big of a troll as anyone else in his own threads. It's ridiculous that his Dank Bank thread is even in Long Term Offers given that it's basically a personal blog about his opinions on all things metaphysical and somewhere to post links to his latest examples of musical genius.  He's not stupid.  If he didn't post flame bait his Dank Bank thread would get no attention at all and quickly fall off the front page.  Then again, the Long Term Offers forum has no credibility left whatsoever so it might be the most appropriate place for dank's thread after all.  

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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October 13, 2012, 12:46:24 AM
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I don't know anything about Rarity or what he/she did to get banned. But I think if the admins think he/she should get banned they should explain why. Banning someone without explanation only leads to speculations.
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October 13, 2012, 02:12:13 AM
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come on guys, this is one of the free'est forums on the web

where you been hanging out?

This is not some pseudoeconomic post-modern Libertarian cult, it's an un-led, crowd-sourced mega startup organized around mutual self-interest where problems, whether of the theoretical or purely practical variety, are treated as temporary and, ultimately, solvable.
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October 13, 2012, 02:15:54 AM
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come on guys, this is one of the free'est forums on the web

where you been hanging out?

long term lending thread  Grin Joking

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October 13, 2012, 04:17:05 AM
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I know for a fact that Rarity wasn't banned for the theymos thread. Not going to tell you why Rarity was banned because I'm not sure I can disclose it, or else I would tell you.

Try harder, Rarity.
Yes, I'm saying you're a Rarity sockpuppet. You're lucky this isn't your beloved SA forums or else you'd need to pay again to come back.

Oh ye of little faith... Dancing Dan had all of 4 hours since registration to get ten posts in, learn everything there is to learn about bitcoin, figure out who the good guys and the bad guys (and gals?) are, and then be able to figure out a good level of moral outrage at the banning of somebody who was already banned when they got here, so all of it would be in the past, and still make this the first big issue they posted on.

You don't think that was genuine outrage from a genuine n00b?

Wonder if we might want to think about instituting that rule that you must be a member for X number of days before you can create a new thread?


 
 
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October 13, 2012, 12:46:35 PM
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I know for a fact that Rarity wasn't banned for the theymos thread. Not going to tell you why Rarity was banned because I'm not sure I can disclose it, or else I would tell you.

Try harder, Rarity.
Yes, I'm saying you're a Rarity sockpuppet. You're lucky this isn't your beloved SA forums or else you'd need to pay again to come back.

Oh ye of little faith... Dancing Dan had all of 4 hours since registration to get ten posts in, learn everything there is to learn about bitcoin, figure out who the good guys and the bad guys (and gals?) are, and then be able to figure out a good level of moral outrage at the banning of somebody who was already banned when they got here, so all of it would be in the past, and still make this the first big issue they posted on.

You don't think that was genuine outrage from a genuine n00b?

Wonder if we might want to think about instituting that rule that you must be a member for X number of days before you can create a new thread?
That will just make socks harder to find.
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October 13, 2012, 12:50:49 PM
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Good riddance, Rarity was a nuisance

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October 13, 2012, 01:13:59 PM
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Rarity was one of my favorite posters.  Sad

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October 13, 2012, 01:22:21 PM
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Rarity was one of my favorite posters.  Sad



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