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September 27, 2015, 09:22:06 PM
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Hmmm...Ive found that the major bottlenecks on lower end stuff is actually the IO DB writes/reads and not so much crypto related stuff.  Sure it has a positive effect if you can speed it up, but a good 70%+ of optimizing I do is how to get data over the IO quicker and more efficiently.

That was like word for word what Bytemaster said in this youtube video heh:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBlAVeVFWFM

Well IO is always a problem bottleneck, thats simple developer 101

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September 27, 2015, 09:28:35 PM
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Hmmm...Ive found that the major bottlenecks on lower end stuff is actually the IO DB writes/reads and not so much crypto related stuff.  Sure it has a positive effect if you can speed it up, but a good 70%+ of optimizing I do is how to get data over the IO quicker and more efficiently.

What DB system do you use? MySQL? I use http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/nio/MappedByteBuffer.html.
I have just recalled that Emunie does much more than just payments, in this case we cannot compare our solutions, because our cryptocurrency works with payments only and doesn't need to do sophisticated stuff like order matching.

MySQL and Derby for development, probably go with Derby or H2 for V1.0.  

The data stores themselves are abstracted though, so any DB solution can sit behind them with minor work so long as they implement the basic interface.

That solution for you (if it fits your purpose) will be very fast, then your IO bottleneck will mainly shift to network I imagine?

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September 27, 2015, 09:30:50 PM
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That solution for you (if it fits your purpose) will be very fast, then your IO bottleneck with shift to network I imagine?

Network will become a bottleneck at 12'000 TPS (for 100 Mbps).
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September 27, 2015, 09:31:39 PM
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That solution for you (if it fits your purpose) will be very fast, then your IO bottleneck with shift to network I imagine?

Network will become a bottleneck at 12'000 TPS (for 100 Mbps).

Yup, partitions my friend, that problem goes away Wink

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September 27, 2015, 10:08:30 PM
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Yup, partitions my friend, that problem goes away Wink

Isn't this system going to be extremely difficult for updates in the long run?  Partitioning and having different groups who don't update, etc.

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September 27, 2015, 10:32:33 PM
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If you get something right the first time you don't have to worry about forking it later due to the inability of it to scale to necessary levels.

The "core" txn system is what is being done right the first time.

All other layers on top of that (e.g. client functionality) are merely utilized expressions of the capabilities for the users.  Those can be updated easily.

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September 28, 2015, 05:47:50 AM
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Where can I find the specifications?

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September 28, 2015, 05:55:29 PM
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why not a lean KV approach?
an in-memory/disk hybrid like redis can handle such tiny amounts of data in a blink
with lowest cpu usage compared to bloated rdbms. e.g. one million keys occupies only
100 mb memory. persistence is great via fine granulated shapshots. the api provides
all primitives to layer a query model on top. should be a good choice for this kind of task.

if a full persistent solution is needed something like sophia outperforms many other
disk based storages and is nearly as fast as redis but with a fraction in code size.
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September 28, 2015, 07:57:23 PM
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why not a lean KV approach?
an in-memory/disk hybrid like redis can handle such tiny amounts of data in a blink
with lowest cpu usage compared to bloated rdbms. e.g. one million keys occupies only
100 mb memory. persistence is great via fine granulated shapshots. the api provides
all primitives to layer a query model on top. should be a good choice for this kind of task.

if a full persistent solution is needed something like sophia outperforms many other
disk based storages and is nearly as fast as redis but with a fraction in code size.

Will this approach run on a $600 commodity Notebook computer, which is what I am successfully using as an eMunie beta tester?
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September 29, 2015, 01:50:02 AM
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How can one be an Emunie beta tester?

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September 29, 2015, 02:05:29 AM
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How can one be an Emunie beta tester?

Dan has been slowly bringing more in over the past 2 years for the closed beta releases. I've been one for close to a year now. I was pretty frustrated in terms of how long it took to be givent the status. Lately it has been mostly founder beta testing (a much smaller group). From this point you would be better off waiting for the open beta. But to try to get closed beta access, you can try through the eMunie forum.

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September 29, 2015, 02:39:10 AM
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Ah, no matter.  I'll wait for the open beta.  Thanks.

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Ah, no matter.  I'll wait for the open beta.  Thanks.

Should be a few days before the 7 horsemen of the apocalypse approach.

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September 29, 2015, 03:04:18 AM
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Ah, no matter.  I'll wait for the open beta.  Thanks.

Should be a few days before the 7 horsemen of the apocalypse approach.

I'll be patient.  Grin

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September 29, 2015, 05:37:14 AM
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Hey folks,

A bit of news from our neck of the woods, tonight in testing we achieved in excess of 2000 transactions per second processing which is generally considered to be "VISA scale" (we achieved 2,400 to be more specific).

Over the past 6 months or so, there have been many developers that have publicly announced that their platforms can scale to handle x thousands of transactions. However, I'm yet to see any evidence of any crypto-platform achieving a few 100 outside of "perfect lab conditions", let alone a few thousand. Some of the platforms attempt to scale vertically to achieve the transaction throughput claimed, but these platforms require things like super-nodes in the network, with the power of a small super-computer (and the bandwidth to match) in order to achieve it.

In my opinion, all of these claims are bogus until evidence can be shown of said platform achieving anything close to VISA scale in the wild. That is the true test, with participants in different locations, with fast, slow and in-between nodes taking part. Super computer nodes do not count!


When I started the eMunie project, VISA scale was one of the many goals I set, and today we are a real step closer to being there. First a little brief on why we can do this (more information on this stuff will be available as soon as I can find some time between coding and testing to write it up).

The eMunie ledger can be partitioned into 1024 partitions, with nodes in the network supporting 1 or more partitions depending on the performance they have available. Fast nodes might support all of the partitions, very slow nodes may only support a few, but between them all partitions are present in the network multiple times providing redundancy.

Partitions contain channels which are owned by wallet holders, and contain the transactions for a particular "channel key". A partition may have millions of channels as the network grows, but most of the time, a large quantity of those channels will be inactive (not receiving or sending transactions), so a single partition of n channels needs only a finite amount of processing power managing it at any one moment in time.

Even the slowest of commodity hardware we have tested can process 100-150 transactions per second with ease, thus that is the baseline sustained performance metric for a partition.


This evening it was decided that we should finally test to see what is the burst limit of a single partition. We have been testing for quite some time with various loads between 50-200 transactions per second, but we've never actually pushed the envelope to see where it maxes out.

After some organization of testers, and the logistics of getting everyone ready to hit the network with a large amount of spam transactions for a short period, we let rip. The network produced over 4000 transactions in under 10 seconds, all directed toward a single partition, with a peak of ~2,400 tx/s....the network size, 12 nodes of varying configuration in various locations around the globe.

With sustained performance of ~150 tx/s per partition easily achieved, burst performance per partition of 2000+ and 1024 partitions, even if cumulative performance of all partitions is not a linear increase, I'd like to think we have enough performance capacity to deal with anything the network has thrown at it.

Here is a short video with a voice over, of that test taking place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0YpFfgwudA

You can see the transactions leave from 2 of the 7 designated spamming nodes(in the command consoles), with the monitor displaying the total transactions seen in the network at any moment in time. The monitor updates every 10 seconds and you can clearly see the effect of network latency as all the transactions arrive at that node over the course of a few seconds.

Some of the slower nodes of course struggled a little for 20 seconds or so to catch up, with the faster nodes taking up the slack.  All the transactions presented in the burst were processed by the network, all nodes had them within about 30 seconds (even the slowest) and these funds were available to be re-spent a few seconds later.

Does the price go up if more people get in =w=
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September 29, 2015, 06:50:14 AM
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THE fastest crypto-currency is BitShares 2.0 over 100 000 transactions per second scalability (1 second block)
https://bitshares.org/technology/industrial-performance-and-scalability

Will be launched October 13 with 3 seconds block (30 000 transactions per second)

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September 29, 2015, 07:15:29 AM
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THE fastest crypto-currency is BitShares 2.0 over 100 000 transactions per second scalability (1 second block)
https://bitshares.org/technology/industrial-performance-and-scalability

Will be launched October 13 with 3 seconds block (30 000 transactions per second)

Arguable.  Emunie doesn't have the delegates system you have, but is truly and fully decentralized.

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September 29, 2015, 07:23:37 AM
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THE fastest crypto-currency is BitShares 2.0 over 100 000 transactions per second scalability (1 second block)
https://bitshares.org/technology/industrial-performance-and-scalability

Will be launched October 13 with 3 seconds block (30 000 transactions per second)

And it will break on October 14th.  Everything BTS does needs emergency patches, forks, magically creates new coins out of thin air, or has to be completely redesigned later.  What is this, like the 9th version of Bitshares?  Reading the blog Dan's answer to a decentralized cryptography value transactions, was to take out all the decentralization and the cryptography.  Nice. 
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THE fastest crypto-currency is BitShares 2.0 over 100 000 transactions per second scalability (1 second block)
https://bitshares.org/technology/industrial-performance-and-scalability

Will be launched October 13 with 3 seconds block (30 000 transactions per second)

Arguable.  Emunie doesn't have the delegates system you have, but is truly and fully decentralized.

It's depends from that you mean under fully decentralized, Bitcoin also was designed to be fully decentralized but today you have 3 pools which have more that 50% hashing power.


Today BitShares has 101 block signers (delegates) in 2.0 it's will be configurable without hard fork, so if shareholders will decide to have more decentralization they can vote to 1001 delegate.
Bitcoin has 3+ block signers, Ripple has 7, BitShares has 101, Nxt has 700+, eMunie - potentially unlimited like Bitcoin?

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September 29, 2015, 07:46:39 AM
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Today BitShares has 101 block signers (delegates) in 2.0 it's will be configurable without hard fork, so if shareholders will decide to have more decentralization they can vote to 1001 delegate.

That's inconsequential when a small minority of the shareholders can effectively rig the delegate elections by strategic voting.

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