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October 19, 2012, 05:11:23 AM
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Folks got over paid and Nefario requests the coins to be returned. Do the receivers of the overpayment have a moral responsibility to return them, or is this fate giving his customers a chance to compensate themselves for the disrespectful customer service they have received?

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October 19, 2012, 05:30:15 AM
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm F5ing the return address like a motherfucker.  I think this is totally hilarious.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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October 19, 2012, 05:33:01 AM
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm F5ing the return address like a motherfucker.  I think this is totally hilarious.

I see one of the two repayments didn't make it back ENTIRELY.

Suddenly the anonymous angry ignored treated-frankly-poorly mob have the power.

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October 19, 2012, 05:35:02 AM
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Does ultimate responsibility lie in the hands of the accountant at GLBSE? If too many coins are never returned, it's not like responsibility for the shortages lies on those that got double paid.

Right? Wrong?
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October 19, 2012, 05:54:55 AM
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Anyone who doesn't return coins that do not belong to them deserves a scammer tag.  It's theft, plain and simple.
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October 19, 2012, 05:57:45 AM
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Anyone who doesn't return coins that do not belong to them deserves a scammer tag.  It's theft, plain and simple.

I cant blame them if they keep the 10% Nefario hasnt paid yet.

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October 19, 2012, 06:02:43 AM
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Does ultimate responsibility lie in the hands of the accountant at GLBSE? If too many coins are never returned, it's not like responsibility for the shortages lies on those that got double paid.

Right? Wrong?

In a "normal" situation, the business would pay out of its own funds and then seek recovery of the over-payments by legal means (they can't just reverse them like a conventional financial institution) or write it off.  In this situation, who knows whether GLBSE has the funds to cover the short-fall or sufficient information to pursue people legally even if they wanted to try to pursue the recovery of an equivalent fiat value through small claims (which I assume they don't want to given Nefario's fear of legal scrutiny).

If it was me, I'd probably keep the 10% and return the rest eventually but I'd let Nefario sweat for a few days first.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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October 19, 2012, 06:04:38 AM
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Anyone who doesn't return coins that do not belong to them deserves a scammer tag.  It's theft, plain and simple.

Yes, by all means let's expand the definition of scammer until it includes everyone who ever did anything wrong.   Roll Eyes

Why should words have meaningful, fixed definitions when our emotional need to express condemnation by any means available is so strong?  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

On the other hand, maybe everyone who advocates a scammer label for things not involving actual scams should themselves be labeled as a scammer...   Huh


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October 19, 2012, 06:06:03 AM
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Does ultimate responsibility lie in the hands of the accountant at GLBSE? If too many coins are never returned, it's not like responsibility for the shortages lies on those that got double paid.

Right? Wrong?

In a "normal" situation, the business would pay out of its own funds and then seek recovery of the over-payments by legal means (they can't just reverse them like a conventional financial institution) or write it off.  In this situation, who knows whether GLBSE has the funds to cover the short-fall or sufficient information to pursue people legally even if they wanted to try to pursue the recovery of an equivalent fiat value through small claims even if they wanted to (which I assume they don't want to given Nefario's fear of legal scrutiny).

Nefario should have handed over glbse to someone else and we could have avoided the whole situation. Most likely people will now have to take a haircut.

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October 19, 2012, 06:46:46 AM
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I can't read a single post about this double payment clusterfuck without this song running through my head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PM4TLNgsg&feature=related

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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October 19, 2012, 06:49:58 AM
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I can't read a single post about this double payment clusterfuck without this song running through my head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PM4TLNgsg&feature=related

same but more like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0AS7-LWimg
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October 19, 2012, 06:58:28 AM
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I think they should pay back as there are other people that have yet to receive anything, but I don't think they should send it back to Nefario.  Nefario needs to either resign as CEO of BitcoinGlobal and manager of GLBSE or he should be fired.

He has shown irresponsibility in handling the users bitcoins and he can't be trusted with sending out information to the asset holders.

Introducing constraints to the economy only serves to limit what can be economical.
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October 19, 2012, 07:09:05 AM
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The community COULD pseudo unionize and make this work without the lot of the perpetrators of this. Get the logs, demand the records, split the coins, demand the rest.



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October 19, 2012, 02:01:52 PM
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Anyone who doesn't return coins that do not belong to them deserves a scammer tag.  It's theft, plain and simple.

How do you even know that the coins do not belong to them? Maybe Dr. Nefario is just paying double as an apology to former users of Good Luck Bitcoin Special Entity. I've seen this happen before in my Japanese Animes.
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October 19, 2012, 03:26:07 PM
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I think it would be OK for those who got overpaid to hold on to it until the stock ownership info has been appropriately sent to the issuers. And once that happens, sending the overpayment to an escrow would be appropriate as well.

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October 19, 2012, 03:28:38 PM
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Anyone who doesn't return coins that do not belong to them deserves a scammer tag.  It's theft, plain and simple.

How do you even know that the coins do not belong to them? Maybe Dr. Nefario is just paying double as an apology to former users of Good Luck Bitcoin Special Entity. I've seen this happen before in my Japanese Animes.
I don't know that the coins do not belong to them.  Hence the reason I qualified my statement with "that do not belong to them".
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October 20, 2012, 02:25:14 AM
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Morally, I don't see a problem with people keeping the extra 10% so that they are fully paid out, but they shouldn't keep any more than they were owed. Just don't spend it for a while, just in case GLBSE can't pay out everyone 100% anymore, because the difference might need to be clawed back.

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October 20, 2012, 03:22:13 AM
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Anyone who doesn't return coins that do not belong to them deserves a scammer tag.  It's theft, plain and simple.

How do you even know that the coins do not belong to them? Maybe Dr. Nefario is just paying double as an apology to former users of Good Luck Bitcoin Special Entity. I've seen this happen before in my Japanese Animes.

Your post caused me to think of another scenario. A couple accounts he controls, a couple others are comrades--Genjix comes to mind--and as for the others he sent doubled coins to, he calculated them to be of good character knowing that a large percentage of those coins will be returned, but a shortage will be realized due to what I stated at the beginning of this sentence.

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October 20, 2012, 04:57:46 AM
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Just over 40 coins returned so far. 

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October 20, 2012, 05:02:40 AM
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Anyone who doesn't return coins that do not belong to them deserves a scammer tag.  It's theft, plain and simple.

How do you even know that the coins do not belong to them? Maybe Dr. Nefario is just paying double as an apology to former users of Good Luck Bitcoin Special Entity. I've seen this happen before in my Japanese Animes.

Your post caused me to think of another scenario. A couple accounts he controls, a couple others are comrades--Genjix comes to mind--and as for the others he sent doubled coins to, he calculated them to be of good character knowing that a large percentage of those coins will be returned, but a shortage will be realized due to what I stated at the beginning of this sentence.

~Bruno K~


That is the reason a third party should have handled the shutdown. There is no audit trail whatsoever.

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