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[silvergoldandbitcoin]

hey great game you've got here! I bet .3 BTC  for a 2.048X payout.

but for some reason received .16587688 back.

Was this supposed to happen?

how to I show you this transaction?

EDIT Same thing again, except I bet .5 BTC and got .55205833 BTC back.

[TTBit]

hey great game you've got here! I bet .3 BTC  for a 2.048X payout.

but for some reason received .16587688 back.

Was this supposed to happen?

how to I show you this transaction?

EDIT Same thing again, except I bet .5 BTC and got .55205833 BTC back.

You can put the transaction ID on the site to get the details. PM me or post the tx.

Edit: you must be talking about: http://diceoncrack.com/tx?_=5131091c4d8b205791008e1b

With the 'simple' strategy, you made 15,000 wagers (0.001 each). Each win returned 2.048 x .001.

[nelisky]

hey great game you've got here! I bet .3 BTC  for a 2.048X payout.

but for some reason received .16587688 back.

Was this supposed to happen?

how to I show you this transaction?

EDIT Same thing again, except I bet .5 BTC and got .55205833 BTC back.

I assume the first bet is this: http://diceoncrack.com/tx?_=5131091c4d8b205791008e1b

You've bet 0.3 on Simple Strategy, which makes 0.001 bets, up to 15000 of them, and each one, if it is a win, will multiply that 0.001 by 2.048X. See the graph on that page for the details of your particular bet.

You can read about the many strategies we offer at http://diceoncrack.com/howtoplay and on the OP for this thread. You can also ask here and we'll do our best to explain, if you have any specific doubt.

[silvergoldandbitcoin]

hey great game you've got here! I bet .3 BTC  for a 2.048X payout.

but for some reason received .16587688 back.

Was this supposed to happen?

how to I show you this transaction?

EDIT Same thing again, except I bet .5 BTC and got .55205833 BTC back.

I assume the first bet is this: http://diceoncrack.com/tx?_=5131091c4d8b205791008e1b

You've bet 0.3 on Simple Strategy, which makes 0.001 bets, up to 15000 of them, and each one, if it is a win, will multiply that 0.001 by 2.048X. See the graph on that page for the details of your particular bet.

You can read about the many strategies we offer at http://diceoncrack.com/howtoplay and on the OP for this thread. You can also ask here and we'll do our best to explain, if you have any specific doubt.

Ah, I see.

[nelisky]

We have a new feature creeping in, which is an attempt to mitigate the issue with blockchain bloating, at least to some extend.

We're calling it the Bet Groups; wager payouts are going to be grouped by return address, and an attempt is made to join as many payouts as possible in a single transaction. This is the current plan:

• Only transactions paying to the same address are grouped. This is to prevent issues with double spent transactions screwing everyone's payouts amongst other things.
• The connection between wager input transaction and payment is kept, so there will be one output for each input in order to make it easy to assert no cheating is being done. Note that there might be an extra input when payout is larger than received amount, and an extra output for collecting change and these may shift the inputs and outputs such that input 0 connects to output 1, etc.
   
  • there is one exception, which is when using IRC proxy wallets the losing wagers don't pay anything as there's feedback in the IRC chat window, reducing the 'dust'. This means the input for these losing wagers is not present in the payout.
• Wagers are grouped for at most 5 minutes, meaning any payout in queue for an address will be immediately paid once the oldest queue entry is over 4 minutes old.
• When an address queue has 5 or more payouts, they are sent regardless of queue entry age.

Many of the bets we get on the site come from what I believe are betting bots, and these might be processing the payout transactions for feedback. If that's the case they'll probably be confused with this new system so we are only turning it on for IRC proxy wallets for now, but will make it global in a couple of days if there are no major concerns with this from players.

The IRC version of DICEonCRACK is explained in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147722.0

As always, good luck!

[nelisky]

Bump for previous post, the payout transactions will be changing soon!

[nelisky]

Last bump regarding the upcoming changes posted above in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120239.msg1598128#msg1598128

Next post on the subject will be to say the changes have been applied

[nelisky]

Changes to the payout system are effective now. Let us now of any concerns or issues you might have and...

Good luck!

[silvergoldandbitcoin]

Is DiceOnCrack frozen? I have placed bets but they don't show up, and there's a lot of bets that haven't been resolved yet.

Something wrong?

[nelisky]

Is DiceOnCrack frozen? I have placed bets but they don't show up, and there's a lot of bets that haven't been resolved yet.

Something wrong?

Yes, there was a network issue and my slightly paranoid wager processor locked itself up waiting for human interaction. It's fixed now, all bets placed are being processed and paid.

Sorry about that, I'm trying to find less paranoid ways that are still as secure as the ones we have in place now.

[nelisky]

We will be introducing another change to the payout system soon: There will be no 1 satoshi feedback sent on losing bets by default anymore, so if you lose you must check the web site to verify that.

If you are using a betting script and need the feedback you can add 5000 satoshis to your bet and those 5000 satoshis will be returned if you lose. Note that the full bet amount will include the 5000 satoshis, so that's not a fee, just a signal.

Please raise your voice if this presents a problem to you.

[nelisky]

Also, the previous change to group payouts in blocks of 5 minutes will be removed. We will still group the payments per address, so only one transaction will be sent for all payments outstanding on a particular address, but we will remove the wait, payments will be sent immediately after bet processing.

[nelisky]

Just a quick note to let everyone know the payment processing change described above has been applied.

Good luck!

[haveagr8day]

Can anyone explain to me why this bet was refunded?

2013-05-21 17:56:30       54c9a7c5    92ec3918    Martingale - [EXIT]    0.00700425    -----    -----    -----    -----    refunded

It looks like any ending in 25 seem to be, but the calculator tool says it is valid as less than 64000 2x exit point.

Thanks.

[nelisky]

Can anyone explain to me why this bet was refunded?

2013-05-21 17:56:30       54c9a7c5    92ec3918    Martingale - [EXIT]    0.00700425    -----    -----    -----    -----    refunded

It looks like any ending in 25 seem to be, but the calculator tool says it is valid as less than 64000 2x exit point.

Thanks.

Sure thing. Martingale [EXIT] places 0.001 wagers when playing with BTC, so starting with your deposit of 0.00700425 it will try to place a bet to reach 0.00800425. Now, the special thing about EXIT compared to the other Martingales is that it quits early, as soon as your balance isn't enough to reach the next prize step. Each step adds 0.001 to the target outcome.

With the wager settings (425 satoshis, 1.019 multiplier, exit 2x wager, which is actually the default), in order to go from 0.00700425 to 0.00800425 you need to win 0.001. Since the win multiplier is 1.019 you'll need to bet ~0.0526, which, if you win, will give you 0.0526x1.019 ~= 0.0536, or 0.001 more than you have bet.

But you don't have 0.0526 to bet, only 0.007, so the EXIT is triggered. It's a refund because no wager was ever placed.

Hope that clears things a bit

[haveagr8day]

Can anyone explain to me why this bet was refunded?

2013-05-21 17:56:30       54c9a7c5    92ec3918    Martingale - [EXIT]    0.00700425    -----    -----    -----    -----    refunded

It looks like any ending in 25 seem to be, but the calculator tool says it is valid as less than 64000 2x exit point.

Thanks.

Sure thing. Martingale [EXIT] places 0.001 wagers when playing with BTC, so starting with your deposit of 0.00700425 it will try to place a bet to reach 0.00800425. Now, the special thing about EXIT compared to the other Martingales is that it quits early, as soon as your balance isn't enough to reach the next prize step. Each step adds 0.001 to the target outcome.

With the wager settings (425 satoshis, 1.019 multiplier, exit 2x wager, which is actually the default), in order to go from 0.00700425 to 0.00800425 you need to win 0.001. Since the win multiplier is 1.019 you'll need to bet ~0.0526, which, if you win, will give you 0.0526x1.019 ~= 0.0536, or 0.001 more than you have bet.

But you don't have 0.0526 to bet, only 0.007, so the EXIT is triggered. It's a refund because no wager was ever placed.

Hope that clears things a bit

Thanks for your help. I misunderstood it to mean that it would bet 0.001 to start and aim to win whatever that would calculate out to be.

[jonytk]

Great game man,
now people don't need to send thousands of transactions to satoshi dice.

But i was placing a bet while i saw this

Wager processing for TRC is temporarily disabled, please be patient.
Wager processing for BTC is temporarily disabled, please be patient.

every few minutes,
this means the hot wallets are empty?
and, can i place bets meanwhile?

thanks!
PD: i would suggest making payments only once every day,
that will stop people from drowning the hot wallet.

[nelisky]

it says

Wager processing for TRC is temporarily disabled, please be patient.
Wager processing for BTC is temporarily disabled, please be patient.

every few minutes,
this means the hot wallets are empty?
and can i place bets meanwhile?

thanks!

There was a weird issue with TRC handling that was preventing the wager monitor to function properly, thanks for pointing this out! That warning does not mean the hot wallets are empty, but rather that the wager monitor process didn't update that particular chain in a couple of minutes. This is sometimes normal for a few seconds, when a lot of transactions are being parsed and that takes long, but if it appears and stays for any particular chain, it's either been disabled for maintenance or there's a problem, such as it was in this case.

It is always safe to place bets, since they are registered in the blockchain and can be processed at any time.

[TTBit]

The hosting ISP is claiming the frontend has been "attacked" and shut down the site. Wager processing is unaffected. We're waiting for more information from the ISP.

[ASICSRUS]

clearly on chain type~ dead thread?