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October 14, 2015, 07:38:39 PM |
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Is this a very bad thing according to Islam? Just curious. http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/009917.htmlEditing Pig Genomes To Grow Transplant Organs For Humans CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing technology was used to disable 62 porcine endogenous retroviruses (PERVs), which it is feared could cause diseases in humans if pig organs were transplanted into humans.
Geneticist George Church has co-founded a company that is developing genetically modified pigs to grow organs for human transplant.
They did additional editing to reduce the threat of human immune response to pig antigens. Pretty cool stuff.
What ought to be done as well: additional editing to make the pig organs age more slowly. That way the transplanted organs will last longer. Domestic farm pigs only live 6 to 10 years. Those pigs grow to 500+ pounds. The miniature pigs live 15 to 20 years and grow to 32-75 lb. Still rather short-lived. Moderate sized pigs between those two sizes also have life expectancies between those two sizes.
How to make pigs live longer? We need to discover a large number of genetic variants that enable humans to live longer, find corresponding locations in pig genomes, and edit those locations.
We need to gradually reword the pig genome to be much more like the human genome: much longer lasting parts, no immune incompatibilities, no embedded virus dangers. Also, take a lesson from elephants and add more copies of the p53 gene to slash cancer risk.
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October 14, 2015, 10:31:38 PM |
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Let me put it this way, Islamists are going to make PETA look like minor pranksters if they ever get wind of that research and find out who is doing this.
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October 14, 2015, 11:02:09 PM |
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Let me put it this way, Islamists are going to make PETA look like minor pranksters if they ever get wind of that research and find out who is doing this.
Seriously. I have no clue what they would think about this. It's not related to eating pigs.
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October 15, 2015, 03:01:23 AM |
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Let me put it this way, Islamists are going to make PETA look like minor pranksters if they ever get wind of that research and find out who is doing this.
Seriously. I have no clue what they would think about this. It's not related to eating pigs. i suppose they could do it with a halal camel ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) they will feel closer to home then ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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October 15, 2015, 07:08:00 AM |
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I hear the pork is unclean for islam , because it comes from a pig, which is an unsanitary animal. islam allows the eating of clean animals such as cows and chicken etc.
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October 15, 2015, 07:46:29 AM |
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I hear the pork is unclean for islam , because it comes from a pig, which is an unsanitary animal. islam allows the eating of clean animals such as cows and chicken etc.
This part is true from what I've been told
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October 15, 2015, 07:52:39 AM |
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If it came from a pig and they're mixing in human DNA they won't give a fuck if it's just for meat and they don't eat it, they'll see it as an abomination because people are mixing the DNA with a human beings, that's what will cause them to go apeshit over it, I can see it a mile off.
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October 15, 2015, 11:32:54 AM |
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If it came from a pig and they're mixing in human DNA they won't give a fuck if it's just for meat and they don't eat it, they'll see it as an abomination because people are mixing the DNA with a human beings, that's what will cause them to go apeshit over it, I can see it a mile off.
I think you are correct but I'd like to hear comments from people that know the culture and the verses of the old book. It's not "eating" it's "becoming", sort of.
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October 15, 2015, 01:40:04 PM |
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When pig organs become a normal thing we'll just have less muslims in the world. People will live longer and muslims who won't accept these transplants will choose to die and go to heaven to play with their promised virgins. Simple ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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October 15, 2015, 03:05:06 PM |
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WTF is this guy thinking. Stop wasting time on this and genetically modify pigs to produce more and leaner bacon.
The world has too many people already. Saving them is like hitting mother earth in the junk with a hammer.
Bacon, I tell ya.....
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October 15, 2015, 03:06:11 PM |
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Oh, and I don't care what Islam thinks. The fundamentalists in that religion have proven themselves beyond a reasonable doubt to be certifiably insane, so their opinions on anything don't matter any more than the ramblings of any other village idiot...
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October 15, 2015, 03:36:01 PM |
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There was talk about muslims being offended by piggy banks. So I guess they do have something against pigs. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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October 15, 2015, 03:45:04 PM |
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If it came from a pig and they're mixing in human DNA they won't give a fuck if it's just for meat and they don't eat it, they'll see it as an abomination because people are mixing the DNA with a human beings, that's what will cause them to go apeshit over it, I can see it a mile off.
I think you are correct but I'd like to hear comments from people that know the culture and the verses of the old book. It's not "eating" it's "becoming", sort of. You know what I mean though right? The thought of mixing a pigs DNA with a human's will disgust them even if it's not eating.
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October 15, 2015, 03:54:12 PM |
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WTF is this guy thinking. Stop wasting time on this and genetically modify pigs to produce more and leaner bacon.
The world has too many people already. Saving them is like hitting mother earth in the junk with a hammer.
Bacon, I tell ya.....
Right! And genetically modify the pigs to kill off all the other edible animals in the world, so that all the Islamites starve to death. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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October 15, 2015, 09:15:45 PM |
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If it came from a pig and they're mixing in human DNA they won't give a fuck if it's just for meat and they don't eat it, they'll see it as an abomination because people are mixing the DNA with a human beings, that's what will cause them to go apeshit over it, I can see it a mile off.
I think you are correct but I'd like to hear comments from people that know the culture and the verses of the old book. It's not "eating" it's "becoming", sort of. You know what I mean though right? The thought of mixing a pigs DNA with a human's will disgust them even if it's not eating. I won't eat ants, eels, etc but some people love them. Now would I care if some seriously great medicine came from an eel? No. I'd take it. But hey other people are different. I think the reason this has came up is that pig dna is the closest to human.
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October 20, 2015, 12:50:19 PM |
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Muslims do not like pigs basically for no reason. My own family member who was Muslim once said "they say pigs are dirty and eating poo, so what about chicken? They do same." So it is just ironic.
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October 20, 2015, 03:46:31 PM |
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dont too objective, lets see the affect of that genomes,and may be it the only way.
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October 20, 2015, 05:54:25 PM |
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Muslims do not like pigs basically for no reason. My own family member who was Muslim once said "they say pigs are dirty and eating poo, so what about chicken? They do same." So it is just ironic.
lol Seriously? Its Hram, Because Of Few main and Big Reason 1. The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef 2. When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time. 3. When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms.4. Qur'an, Holy book of Muslims also prohibits consumption of pork. and Many More reason
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October 21, 2015, 03:31:22 AM |
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Muslims do not like pigs basically for no reason. My own family member who was Muslim once said "they say pigs are dirty and eating poo, so what about chicken? They do same." So it is just ironic.
lol Seriously? Its Hram, Because Of Few main and Big Reason 1. The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef 2. When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time. 3. When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms.4. Qur'an, Holy book of Muslims also prohibits consumption of pork. and Many More reason But THAT'S NOT the question. Here is the question, again. Is this a very bad thing according to Islam?
Just curious.
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/009917.html
Editing Pig Genomes To Grow Transplant Organs For Humans
CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing technology was used to disable 62 porcine endogenous retroviruses (PERVs), which it is feared could cause diseases in humans if pig organs were transplanted into humans.
Geneticist George Church has co-founded a company that is developing genetically modified pigs to grow organs for human transplant.
They did additional editing to reduce the threat of human immune response to pig antigens. Pretty cool stuff.
What ought to be done as well: additional editing to make the pig organs age more slowly. That way the transplanted organs will last longer. Domestic farm pigs only live 6 to 10 years. Those pigs grow to 500+ pounds. The miniature pigs live 15 to 20 years and grow to 32-75 lb. Still rather short-lived. Moderate sized pigs between those two sizes also have life expectancies between those two sizes.
How to make pigs live longer? We need to discover a large number of genetic variants that enable humans to live longer, find corresponding locations in pig genomes, and edit those locations.
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October 21, 2015, 07:55:37 AM |
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lol Seriously? Its Hram, Because Of Few main and Big Reason 1. The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef 2. When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time. 3. When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms. 4. Qur'an, Holy book of Muslims also prohibits consumption of pork.
and Many More reason
If you are so worried about meat, you should consider vegetarianism. Comes out top in all the factors that you have listed above.
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