The Definition of a Low Quality Post

[minifrij]

Alright, I believe that this is something that needs to be addressed. It seems that the norm of a low quality post is something that is short, usually in Off Topic or somewhere similar. However, there are several posts which I see to be low quality/unsubstantial and I am wondering if it is just me being overly picky.

Here's a few examples of posts which I question:

Thank you.

But if I change the referral reward to a different value. Will the referrers receive the old value (value valid on the first referral moment) or will they receive the update value?

They will receive the updated value AFAIK.

Let's start with a post from myself. This post is very short and is in a section which is spam ridden (Micro Earnings). This makes it fit in the definition I posted earlier. However, since I am helping someone with a problem they are having, is it still counted as low quality or with no substance? I am part of a signature campaign, would these sort of posts have me 'abusing' the system, even if they were not added to my overall paid posts for the period?

Another example, a different type of post:

am not a faucet owner but i can still understand how mucch it is difficult for faucet owners to keep the faucet safe and alive .......thanks to the faucet defense script posted above that makes it hard for scammers to go on with their evil works......

This post is longer, which is obvious. It is in the same section as the previous post, however this one is significantly worse in my (may be it, slightly biased) opinion. This post achieves absolutely nothing in helping anyone or adding to the topic in any way. In my opinion, this longer post is much worse than the short post I quoted earlier. This user is also in a signature campaign, and is obviously just posting for the reward. However, I have been guilty of doing this in the past.

So, what is considered a low quality post? I see a lot of shorter posts removed, however longer posts like this tend to stay and clutter up the thread. Are they still reportable or am I simply overstepping the mark?

[bitcoin revo]

Yours is definitely not. Some people think that the shorter post, the less quality it is (and most account pricers will calculate it like so since it's just a bot); I think otherwise. There are plenty of short responses (take a few of theymos's posts for example; most of his posts that are answering questions and doing updates are pretty short. Doesn't mean they're LQ! ) that are HQ.

TBH, though, if you report that post, it won't be deleted. Take the whole Off-Topic section; it is composed of those responses + LQ short posts, and if you try and report one all you'll achieve is lowering your report percentage. I can't speak for the mods, but I think it's because those replies can be "quality" to some people. I would say just ignore them, press down the feeling of disgust, and move on.

[shorena]

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So, what is considered a low quality post? I see a lot of shorter posts removed, however longer posts like this tend to stay and clutter up the thread. Are they still reportable or am I simply overstepping the mark?

I think its subjective (no shit sherlock) and I also think its normal to post low quality, short and unless replies from time to time. The problem are never single comments you yourself would delete reading them a week or two later, but if the majority of your posts are low quality. I hardly ever report a single post as low quality, but seeing one I might decide to check the users post history. If the majority of the posts on the first (few) page(s) are similar I suspect a spammer and act accordingly.

[achow101]

I would say that the length doesn't matter. If the post doesn't add anything of value to the discussion, then I consider it low quality. Short posts like your quoted one can be very helpful, and sometimes long posts don't add anything to the discussion. And I agree that many sig ad spammers will post long winded posts full of complete nonsense just so that it looks like they are posting something that contributes so that they get paid.

[botany]

Length really doesn't matter.

Second what is sig spam? Is there a sticky that has a in depth answer like less than 10 words, posts within 5mins, 100 posts a day, 300 a week etc

A tendency to make posts in order to boost your post count, and you have an ad in your signature, particularly one that pays you per post. There is no secret invisible line that you shouldn't cross in terms of numbers, it's mostly subjective. 

[SFR10]

The problem with most is that, as long as you post short, they say it's low quality regardless of reading your text completely and to see if you addressed a problem or so with those few words... Your post could be few words only yet constructive to the topic yet still not counted of course and on top of that, wrongly be called to those posts a low quality one... On the case #2 (Although not the mentioned case exactly), Just because a post is long enough to trick the eye's of being a high quality post, doesn't mean it's constructive enough nor high quality and contributing post at all

[mtnsaa]

I agree, but we all know campaign managers can't really check every post, so they go for length or just quick check at a glance. I'm not sure how they can improve on that, maybe they should pay more attention when accepting members and reject the ones with questionable past post history.

[jacee]

There is a mod/staff who answered the question on how the categorizing post works.
here is the link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1189061.0
Well as he said, longer post doesn't mean a good quality one and also a shorter posts doesn't mean insubstantial becuase I've seen a lot of people here who does that to nake their post longer but then they are saying the same shit all over again.

[jacktheking]

In my opinion, both is not consider low quality post. The first one made by you may be short but it is useful. The second one made by pjsonowal may be off topic but we can see that he or she have made some effort* for the post.

* it is just my point of view - not really sure.

[Lauda]

I can't look into the specific case from my smartphone (ATM). However, you can not define a low quality post and thus this thread is obsolete. This is all subjective. One moderator might not delete your post while the other one might. You should also look if a previous low quality post was deleted and yours was a direct response to it. In that case yours will probably get deleted as well.
If you think that a post is of low quality then please report it and explain why.

[mocacinno]

I would personally think neither of the two posts should be deleted...

I think it should be perfectly fine to give your opinion about a topic, even if it doesn't contribute to the discussion, or solving the problem.

Offcourse, when a user is posting short crap for the sole purpose of promoting his sig all the time, it's a different story...

[Racey]

I see many posts that are relevant to certain threads that get deleted, the moderator that removes some of these posts are taking down reported ones, spam ref links I am fine with but on topic I don't understand why.

Some people like to sit on a high horse, then look down on others with some kind of snobbery thinking the post should not be allowed.

Here is one of mine that was deleted earlier today.

GhanaGamboy  hacked.
Giving neg trust on my profile with no proof saying I am (Still a ponzi promoter)

Where am I promoting, where? please remove this unfounded lie.

I see thousands of one liners, it does not bother me.

[StarofBTC]

Alright, I believe that this is something that needs to be addressed. It seems that the norm of a low quality post is something that is short, usually in Off Topic or somewhere similar. However, there are several posts which I see to be low quality/unsubstantial and I am wondering if it is just me being overly picky.

Here's a few examples of posts which I question:

Thank you.

But if I change the referral reward to a different value. Will the referrers receive the old value (value valid on the first referral moment) or will they receive the update value?

They will receive the updated value AFAIK.

Let's start with a post from myself. This post is very short and is in a section which is spam ridden (Micro Earnings). This makes it fit in the definition I posted earlier. However, since I am helping someone with a problem they are having, is it still counted as low quality or with no substance? I am part of a signature campaign, would these sort of posts have me 'abusing' the system, even if they were not added to my overall paid posts for the period?

Another example, a different type of post:

am not a faucet owner but i can still understand how mucch it is difficult for faucet owners to keep the faucet safe and alive .......thanks to the faucet defense script posted above that makes it hard for scammers to go on with their evil works......

This post is longer, which is obvious. It is in the same section as the previous post, however this one is significantly worse in my (may be it, slightly biased) opinion. This post achieves absolutely nothing in helping anyone or adding to the topic in any way. In my opinion, this longer post is much worse than the short post I quoted earlier. This user is also in a signature campaign, and is obviously just posting for the reward. However, I have been guilty of doing this in the past.

So, what is considered a low quality post? I see a lot of shorter posts removed, however longer posts like this tend to stay and clutter up the thread. Are they still reportable or am I simply overstepping the mark?

i will define low quality posts as <40 characters and out-of-topic...... if someone continues posting a low quality posts again and again they are handed a ban saying "insubstantial posts and signature campaign" for 14 days

[jacee]

i will define low quality posts as <40 characters and out-of-topic...... if someone continues posting a low quality posts again and again they are handed a ban saying "insubstantial posts and signature campaign" for 14 days

You yourself posted that what you called low quality. A good  even excellent post doesn't require characters bro. It's all about the thought in it. You can even go post a one word and can still be considered good as long as it has a GOOD thought in it. You probably didn't read the whole thread for this. I suddenly though a new emoticon is needed in this forum. *face palm*  

[1Referee]

I personally don't consider short answers to be low quality as long as it contains an answer, solution, etc, to the quoted post or thread. There are plenty of people writing 5 or more lines while you can barely understand what they mean (I'm not talking about poor English), as it doesn't contribute anything to the thread. They are simply trying to make their post look like it's high quality, while it isn't. That's what I consider a low quality post.

[Lauda]

A important thing here would say it that it also doesn't really matter how users see it. It matters how the moderator who is judging the post sees it. There are people who are much softer and people who are stricter like me and Mitchell. I never understood why people complain about only a few of their posts being deleted.

[minifrij]

However, you can not define a low quality post and thus this thread is obsolete. This is all subjective. One moderator might not delete your post while the other one might.

I don't think this should be the case. The rules and guidelines for a post should be defined to stop confusion throughout members and help keep the forum cleaner.
For example, let's say that one of the nicer moderators leaves a post which is something along the lines of "Thanks for the guide!" or something similar. Personally I think that this post is spam and does nothing but clutter the forum, however it is likely that said post will stay until it is reported again as another moderator will not evaluate it. If the nicer moderator leaves several posts like this, it can quickly clutter the forum. In addition the reporter's percentage will likely go down, but that isn't the main problem.
It seems that the (granted, small selection) of the community seem to have come to a standpoint on the posts that they do not wish to see, and yet I still see a lot of long yet vague posts cluttering up threads in sections like Micro Earnings and others, created for nothing but the signature reward. Should this still be happening?

I never understood why people complain about only a few of their posts being deleted.

AFAIK neither of those posts have been deleted, nor would I complain if the one that I posted was. I'm just curious on which sorts of posts to report and which to leave, and what the staff consider a low quality post.

Also, not trying to bash the staff in any way.

[Lauda]

I don't think this should be the case. The rules and guidelines for a post should be defined to stop confusion throughout members and help keep the forum cleaner.
For example, let's say that one of the nicer moderators leaves a post which is something along the lines of "Thanks for the guide!" or something similar. Personally I think that this post is spam and does nothing but clutter the forum, however it is likely that said post will stay until it is reported again as another moderator will not evaluate it. If the nicer moderator leaves several posts like this, it can quickly clutter the forum. In addition the reporter's percentage will likely go down, but that isn't the main problem.
It seems that the (granted, small selection) of the community seem to have come to a standpoint on the posts that they do not wish to see, and yet I still see a lot of long yet vague posts cluttering up threads in sections like Micro Earnings and others, created for nothing but the signature reward. Should this still be happening?

You can not define that rule, neither can you define many others. This is why there's a statement that says that the rules are open to the interpretation of moderator. Here's a comparable example. How would you define an artwork that is good? Obviously you can't really make a general rule but you'd have to go on a case by case basis. That's my opinion and I doubt that anything would be done about this, due to the lesser importance of it. I'm pretty sure that most users are aware when they make a post of very low quality.

AFAIK neither of those posts have been deleted, nor would I complain if the one that I posted was. I'm just curious on which sorts of posts to report and which to leave, and what the staff consider a low quality post.

Also, not trying to bash the staff in any way.

I was just making a statement because this is what I tend to see from time to time. It wasn't really directed towards you (that part).

[minifrij]

Here's a comparable example. How would you define an artwork that is good? Obviously you can't really make a general rule but you'd have to go on a case by case basis.

I can see your point, but in the cases that I'm trying to point out is like comparing a stickman drawn in MSPaint with a watercolour piece on a canvas. One is obviously significantly lower quality than the other.

That's my opinion and I doubt that anything would be done about this, due to the lesser importance of it. I'm pretty sure that most users are aware when they make a post of very low quality.

That makes sense, thanks for clarifying. This is simply due to seeing staff such as hilariousandco talk about the sheer amount of spam pots, and wondered which type I should be trying to report and which to leave.

I was just making a statement because this is what I tend to see from time to time. It wasn't really directed towards you (that part).

I didn't think it was, just being sure though. My apologies

[Lauda]

I can see your point, but in the cases that I'm trying to point out is like comparing a stickman drawn in MSPaint with a watercolour piece on a canvas. One is obviously significantly lower quality than the other.
That makes sense, thanks for clarifying. This is simply due to seeing staff such as hilariousandco talk about the sheer amount of spam pots, and wondered which type I should be trying to report and which to leave.
I didn't think it was, just being sure though. My apologies

So essentially you're trying to comprehend what kind of posts you should be reporting? Well then you should probably be looking at examples of deleted posts. As I said this is very subjective due to various reasons, especially depending on who is handling your case. There are people in the staff that e.g. don't mind normal referral links (as long as it is not spam), and there are people who are completely against any kind of referral link (that's a no in all cases).