[neㄘcash, ᨇcash, net⚷eys, or viᖚes?] Name AnonyMint's vapor coin?

[TPTB_need_war]

Maybe the smallest unit of clickz is an ion.

Interesting suggestion. Thanks.

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Clickz, BTW, is an okay name. It is tied to web browsing and such, which might be fine, though perhaps a bit of a misnomer if the market expands broader and/or the desktop web itself becomes more of a niche.

We still click on the smart phone. Aliasing it as 'pressing' won't distinguish it from 'clicking' for another generation or so. A decade is more than enough time.

Smart phone UI is mostly "touch", perhaps "press" (that may become even more common now that pressure-sensitive UI is a thing). Calling it clicking is just left from desktop, so for that to make sense you are first of all in a race against time and second of all will never make sense to the youngest generation that is growing up with phones and tablets first, computers second.

But as you say there is another meaning, one that carries a distinctly positive vibe, and maybe that one is even more important (or neither if it becomes popular enough where clickz are just clickz -- doesn't mean anything).

The vertical market back door approach to building a network effect with a currency is interesting. There seem to be others doing it like getgems, bitcrystals, etc. It will  be interesting to see if those work out. Best of luck with it.

targeting only the readers of this forum and Reddit

It is a mistake to believe that Bitcoin (or cryptocurrency) is confined to this forum and reddit. I can't really comment on other coins but for Bitcoin I will tell you that most people you meet who are involved with Bitcoin now are neither regulars on this forum nor reddit. The forums are very much a subset of the wider community. A surprising number told me that the trolling, scams, and other noise drove them away. Those who remain are self-selected to have a high tolerance for it.

[coins101]

Maybe the smallest unit of clickz is an ion.

Interesting suggestion. Thanks.

Surely it would be zzzs' 

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[TPTB_need_war]

Maybe the smallest unit of clickz is an ion.

Interesting suggestion. Thanks.

Surely it would be zzzs'

I am assuming you don't like a name with 'z' in it? Any particular reason?

It seems maybe I lost your interest up thread where I disagreed with narrowing the target market of the protocol and naming scope to NFC payments?

Does it really matter if users accidentally misspell it 'clicks' or 'clickz' (or 'fucks' hehe), if they are using the same protocol when doing it.

Note it is actually quite desirable to present this project of as "less serious" to investors (although I am very serious about targeting large markets with my software) and solely targeted towards users so that I can't be accused of promoting some investment security. I am trying to create software that targets large markets, because I want to use the software. I am not targeting investors. I only want to be funded for my efforts to create this user software (not investment focus) because I do have bills to pay. And there are other users who may also want this software and protocol and want to crowdfund me to create so they can use the software and protocol too. Any expectation of gains in exchange value to fiat or whatever is your own to make and I offer no such representations and I will disclaim profusely that these tokens are for investors. These clickz tokens are targeted for users of the software and protocol. If I do a crowdfunding, it will be explained clearly that these tokens are for users and no gains in exchange value should be expected.

[coins101]

Maybe the smallest unit of clickz is an ion.

Interesting suggestion. Thanks.

Surely it would be zzzs'

I am assuming you don't like a name with 'z' in it? Any particular reason?

It seems maybe I lost your interest up thread where I disagreed with narrowing the target market of the protocol and naming scope to NFC payments?

Does it really matter if users accidentally misspell it 'clicks' or 'clickz', if they are using the same protocol when doing it.

Note it is actually quite desirable to present this project of as "less serious" to investors (although I am very serious about targeting large markets with my software) and more targeted towards users so that I can't be accused of promoting some investment security. I am trying to create software that targets large markets, because I want to use the software. I am not targeting investors. I only want to be funded for my efforts to create thus user software (not investment focus) because I do have bills to pay. Any expectation of gains is your own to make and I offer no such representations and I will disclaim profusely that these tokens are for investors. These clickz tokens are targeted for users. If I do a crowdfunding, it will be explained clearly that these tokens are for users and no gains in exchange value should be expected.

Actually, it was a joke.

But looking back on my post, perhaps I should have added: 

[silverbox]

Perspective. I hope he enjoyed the life. Carpe diem. Reach out.

Good thing he had that helmet on...

[nutildah]

The masses have spoken. We don't care.

Please, for the love of God, no more new coins!

[hashtag101]

The masses have spoken. We don't care.

Please, for the love of God, no more new coins!

Sure, you can hop from coin to coin and make that blanket statement, and you will be wise more than 99% of the time.

I'm not so sure that we have seen a coin launched that will move on to see mass adoption.

[TPTB_need_war]

Clickz, BTW, is an okay name. It is tied to web browsing and such, which might be fine, though perhaps a bit of a misnomer if the market expands broader and/or the desktop web itself becomes more of a niche.

We still click on the smart phone. Aliasing it as 'pressing' won't distinguish it from 'clicking' for another generation or so. A decade is more than enough time.

Smart phone UI is mostly "touch", perhaps "press" (that may become even more common now that pressure-sensitive UI is a thing). Calling it clicking is just left from desktop, so for that to make sense you are first of all in a race against time and second of all will never make sense to the youngest generation that is growing up with phones and tablets first, computers second.

Sometimes I wonder if you are blind or if you just refuse to let any one have the last word when they've already refuted your point before you write it. I wrote the younger generation won't dominate "for another generation or so. A decade is more than enough time". See it above?

Tangentially, we both mean the very youngest, because the 20-somethings all are very familiar with the desktops, at least what I've seen in Asia (not just Philippines but also when I was in Hong Kong). It is only in the past few years that I saw people starting to use tablets as a primarily computer and their kids exposed to that. And even then most of them have a desktop in the home and you know kids are very curious. If they've seen a mouse, then they've used it. You can't have something in the house and the kids don't get demand "Daddy can I click the mouse". Tablet only homes are probably still not the majority.

But as you say there is another meaning, one that carries a distinctly positive vibe, and maybe that one is even more important (or neither if it becomes popular enough where clickz are just clickz -- doesn't mean anything).

The vertical market back door approach to building a network effect with a currency is interesting. There seem to be others doing it like getgems, bitcrystals, etc. It will  be interesting to see if those work out. Best of luck with it.

Those are much more vertical market than clicking. Clicking is reasonably ubiquitous (and it includes swiping, pressing, and touching because they can all involve a microtransaction monetization model). Not as ubiquitous as the concept of fungible money, but you can't sell money to users who already have the money they trust and want. Really with Bitcoin we are selling money only to ideologues, scammers, internet gamblers, and others who have some reason to hate regular money. Bitcoin's ecosystem is diversifying into smart contracts and other features that more people might need (but not proven yet). Afaics with Monero you are not even selling money to anyone (or very few such as CryptoKingdom and kudos to rpietila on that), but rather predominately selling a vision of an open source marathon to (IMO naive) investors (who IMO seem to not be able to calculate probabilities very astutely...I could expound on that but prefer not to end up in a long back and forth on that since it is pretty much off topic here). You could argue the probabilities are also risky on any altcoin and then I would go into relative market cap and relative time on the market without significant market adoption, etc.. Any way no need to go there, the point is nobody has really cracked the marketing adoption yet which is also what you seem to be saying too.

targeting only the readers of this forum and Reddit

It is a mistake to believe that Bitcoin (or cryptocurrency) is confined to this forum and reddit. I can't really comment on other coins but for Bitcoin I will tell you that most people you meet who are involved with Bitcoin now are neither regulars on this forum nor reddit. The forums are very much a subset of the wider community. A surprising number told me that the trolling, scams, and other noise drove them away. Those who remain are self-selected to have a high tolerance for it.

I wasn't referring to Bitcoin. I was specifically referring to altcoin pumps. I don't know if any of them get any play outside of BTT and Reddit. I am interested to know of their other marketing avenues.

I don't know where the altcoin community could graduate to that wouldn't have "trolling, scams, and other noise", lol.

[TPTB_need_war]

I'm not so sure that we have seen a coin launched that will move on to see mass adoption.

And no promise from me that goal will be achieved. But thanks for the comment. And heck why not try for the heck of it? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I'd like to use such a currency myself. I am creating as much to be a user myself as other motivations I have.

In April, I created a dating site and then I couldn't monetize the "per message" sends. So I shut the site down because my model didn't work well with credit cards (need to gradually hook the users into paying by trialing with minimal outlay and I could afford the nor risk the $10,000+ to fund the site with free trialing to reach the necessary economy-of-scale to where the credit card model would work). Also I wanted a PPV model (guys paying the gals, or actually paying member paying non-paying member of any gender or sexual orientation juxtaposition) because it made more sense for what I was trying to do that was unique. But it wasn't going to work that these users weren't going to dump a $25 credit card funded funding to their balance on my site, for such a new and unknown site. Users have become much more adverse to paying for anything, since they can usually find something for free, so they need to see the quality is worth the payment and micropayments makes it possible to deliver much higher quality but users need to see this in action, you can't make it work in a credit card model. There are many other scenarios. This is a deep, deep untapped market in my opinion.

"Build it and they will come" doesn't work. If you really want to make it fly, the block chain protocol is not enough, have to also build out the ecosystem infrastructure and motivate the use cases, e.g. an easier way for sites to integrate micropayments, some social media apps that use micropayments, maybe a blogging app or site that does, etc.. For example, my dating site code is still sitting there, ready to relaunch (also some of that code can be re-deployable for other types of sites). But of course it requires many developers getting interested in an ecosystem to gain momentum. But leading the way can sometimes kickstart that there is a realization based on some initial success. Success tends to cascade from an initial small example or spark, e.g. the 10,000 BTC for a pizza was the defining moment where people realized you could actually use Bitcoin.

[hashtag101]

I'm not so sure that we have seen a coin launched that will move on to see mass adoption.

And no promise from me that goal will be achieved. But thanks for the comment. And heck why not try for the heck of it? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I'd like to use such a currency myself. I am creating as much to be a user myself as other motivations I have.

In April, I created a dating site and then I couldn't monetize the "per message" sends. So I shut the site down because my model didn't work well with credit cards (need to gradually hook the users into paying by trialing with minimal outlay and I could afford the nor risk the $10,000+ to fund the site with free trialing to reach the necessary economy-of-scale to where the credit card model would work). Also I wanted a PPV model (guys paying the gals, or actually paying member paying non-paying member of any gender or sexual orientation juxtaposition) because it made more sense for what I was trying to do that was unique. But it wasn't going to work that these users weren't going to dump a $25 credit card funded funding to their balance on my site, for such a new and unknown site. Users have become much more adverse to paying for anything, since they can usually find something for free, so they need to see the quality is worth the payment and micropayments makes it possible to deliver much higher quality but users need to see this in action, you can't make it work in a credit card model. There are many other scenarios. This is a deep, deep untapped market in my opinion.

Yeah, the dating thing is tough. You're stuck in a critical mass/chicken and the egg challenge.

Micro transactions are definitely going to be increasing in relevance as time goes on.

And I love Clickz. Can't believe it's not taken. It's a winner. And everyone knows what a click is. As long as you're not launching in 10 years, I think you're safe.

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I wasn't referring to Bitcoin. I was specifically referring to altcoin pumps.

Some of us are totally uninterested in altcoin pumps. I agree that if you want to make money here short term, that's probably all there is. You can do an ICO and built applications somewhere outside, while ignoring what the speculative market does, sure, but 99% of your target market for the ICO is still probably going to be interested in altcoin pumps, so you are somewhat delusional if you don't recognize that's still the market you are in (i.e. that's still all there is).

I don't know if any of them get any play outside of BTT and Reddit. I am interested to know of their other marketing avenues.

I don't really know what getgems is doing but it seems to be based on a rich messaging app. Bitcrystals is trying to be backing for in-game assets for a mobile card game. Apparently the developer building the app is behind the most popular mobile game in Japan or something. There are probable some others I don't know what they are doing (we previously discussed how that might be the case for some of the China ones). So I do think there things going on besides this forum and reddit.

I don't know where the altcoin community could graduate to that wouldn't have "trolling, scams, and other noise", lol.

Probably what will happen is that a small number of survivors will each have their own communities and there won't be an altcoin community at all, hence no venue for scams. But that could be completely wrong, I'm just speculating.

[TPTB_need_war]

I wasn't referring to Bitcoin. I was specifically referring to altcoin pumps.

Some of us are totally uninterested in altcoin pumps. I agree that if you want to make money here short term, that's probably all there is. You can do an ICO and built applications somewhere outside, while ignoring what the speculative market does, sure, but 99% of your target market for the ICO is still probably going to be interested in altcoin pumps, so you are somewhat delusional if you don't recognize that's still the market you are in (i.e. that's still all there is).

I hope the use of the term 'your' is figurative and not literal. I am not, so it doesn't apply to me. I am embarking on an open source project for users, and I hope to get some user crowdfunded funding at some point (when there is a product ready, not now at vaporware). And I have no desire to continue to post in various threads for other altcoins nor promoting to investors. I want to go create actual software that works and does something real. I have been posting a bit in the other block chain scaling coin threads, just to understand their features and see if any technical collaboration is possible. But at some point if I don't go quiet, then you will know there isn't any software coming from me, because as you said up thread, programmers can't program and write in forums at the same time.

I don't know if any of them get any play outside of BTT and Reddit. I am interested to know of their other marketing avenues.

I don't really know what getgems is doing but it seems to be based on a rich messaging app. Bitcrystals is trying to be backing for in-game assets for a mobile card game. Apparently the developer building the app is behind the most popular mobile game in Japan or something. There are probable some others I don't know what they are doing (we previously discussed how that might be the case for some of the China ones). So I do think there things going on besides this forum and reddit.

Oic. Great. I am thinking more of building platforms for developers than building specific instances and competing with the developers. To scale fast, build APIs and let others build out the specific cases of apps. I might want to build some of my own apps too, but that is tangential to what I think the rapid scaling strategy should be. Me building an app can be a form of activity applicable to designing/debugging/refining/demonstrating an API the app is built on.

I don't know where the altcoin community could graduate to that wouldn't have "trolling, scams, and other noise", lol.

Probably what will happen is that a small number of survivors will each have their own communities and there won't be an altcoin community at all, hence no venue for scams. But that could be completely wrong, I'm just speculating.

I think it is a law of supply and demand. For as long as there is a supply of investors (the demand) eager to be duped or chase pumps, then there will be a demand for an altcoin forum. Perhaps if you have several strong racehorses in the altcoin sphere, the investors all pick a few and stop looking for 2 cent X11/DonaldDuckGravityWell copycoins. Perhaps for as long as Bitcoin fever is pulling in more new "I found God" new adopters, then perhaps it never ceases. Maybe there is a finite limit to the technophile-n00b-gambler demographic. Frankly I really have no idea, I don't think about things like that much. I am thinking about how to spread software to users, be funded, and who knows maybe win the lotto. I have always been interested to challenge myself to see how many users I can get to use my creations. I am trying to beat my 335,000 verified websites with Coolpage in 2001. Internet is 10x larger, so thus my minimum goal is 3+ million real users (not just one-transaction wonders who've since abandoned it). Who knows if I can achieve that (huge doubt at this point with only vaporware). Bitcoin isn't even that large now.

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I wasn't referring to Bitcoin. I was specifically referring to altcoin pumps.

Some of us are totally uninterested in altcoin pumps. I agree that if you want to make money here short term, that's probably all there is. You can do an ICO and built applications somewhere outside, while ignoring what the speculative market does, sure, but 99% of your target market for the ICO is still probably going to be interested in altcoin pumps, so you are somewhat delusional if you don't recognize that's still the market you are in (i.e. that's still all there is).

I hope the use of the term 'your' is figurative and not literal.

It was mostly general, directed at the entire market. If someone is targeting users of this forum then chances are the audience is altcoin investors/speculators. If another audience is to be pitched for a crowdsale (for example social media users, gamers, mobile users via an app, etc.), then it might not apply. Crypto Kingdom is an interesting middle ground. Despite being pitched on this forum, some people putting money into it are certainly gamers and highly interested in the gameplay elements. Others are very likely viewing it more as speculation. I don't know the proportions.

I am trying to beat my 335,000 verified websites with Coolpage in 2001. Internet is 10x larger, so thus my minimum goal is 3+ million real users (not just one-transaction wonders who've since abandoned it). Who knows if I can achieve that (huge doubt at this point with only vaporware). Bitcoin isn't even that large now.

Wishing you the best on your effort.

[iamnicholas]

what about clix?
I prefer zing over anything previously mentioned..

[languagehasmeaning]

clickz is a good choice

[TPTB_need_war]

I forgot to say thank you to everyone that participated in this thread. I am grateful for the interaction which spawned the clickz name idea. And I do mean everyone that posted and voted in thread, excluding no one.

what about clix?
I prefer zing over anything previously mentioned..

Thanks. I prefer clickz because it is more clearly associated with clicks, and avoiding the attrition of confusion is paramount. Although clix is shorter, the spelling might not be as memorable as click+z. Once you start butchering click, then many spellings arise such as clics, klix, klics, klicks, klickz, etc.. So I thought it was better to add z to non-butchered click, so it is click and instead of s then a z, but also I don't really mind if people say "pay me 5 clicks" instead of "pay me 5 clickz" because they are still using the same software and protocol. However, if they say the former and mean instead "pay me 5 clix", although they might be using the same software and protocol as "clix", the is also chance they are using "clics, klix, klics, klicks, klickz" protocol instead. In short or more quantitatively, I prefer the choice with the minimum Levenshtein distance from clicks.

However, I do want to guard against the confusion of copycoins, thus I have registered the following domains due to your feedback:

clickzit.net	($12)
clix.cash	($25)
clix.space	($2)

So we can give the users the option of using 'clickz', 'clix', or 'clickzits" for the largest units of the coin (ion is proposed as the smallest unit), and let the community preference take hold. This should hopefully demotivate copycoins from abusing our name. Also just in case the market prefers 'clix' (in case my logic above on the choice is overpowered by the collective market wisdom).

On 'zing', I like it for the sound, short spelling (although it could be misspelled 'xing'), and association with swiftness and energy, but I think in hindsight that it lacks the target market focus of clickz. And it looks like a rip-off from Microsoft's Bing search engine. I remain open-minded however. My perspective could be colored by my own subjectivity, so I allow time to widen my experience and eyes before becoming totally firm on clickz.

clickz is a good choice

It appears to me to the best. I will be surprised if better name is found for the mass adoption market of microtransactions and block chain scaling. Many investors think in terms of 'picocoin' or 'picopay' but users don't think of microtransaction as small money but rather about features they can access (the monetary exchange should be so small they don't have to think about it and approve each occurrence but instead just click and go), synergies they can obtain, quality upgrades to content, etc.. Degrading all those wonderful qualities by characterizing money as small is a "wtf r they thinking" moment for me. I think I have some marketing skills, but always so do a lot of you and collectively you have more wisdom than I do (so it is matter of instigating this interactive creative process) because there are no bad ideas (from crap ideas spawn winning ideas).

Btw, I am offering some unsolicited brainstorming for the name of Boolberry. I think they are not going to change the name and that may be the best decision. But any way, here are my ideas:

Blurberry
Mixberry
Peekabool
Entangle
Shuffle
Haystack
Entropy (irreversible)
Matrix
Mingle
Obfuscate
Mixalot
Fungible / Fungibit
Blur / Blurbit
Chrochet
Delink
Unchain

Edit: I didn't register clix.one nor clickz.one, which are both available. Seems we don't want the users to think they will only be able to click once or connote restriction of choices.

[TPTB_need_war]

I am thinking we need to invent a word for interacting with computers, or the synergy we gain from leverage information technology. Clicking is one of the main actions we do in this more general process. As we move beyond clicking for interfacing with computers, seems we will need a more general term. Any suggestions?

copute
cyberact
cybergize
cybin
cyborgate
digitize
metarealize
quantification
transinate
transpute
virtualize

I had liked the name virtual, but no domains are available, yet virtuals and virtualcash are available in numerous tlds.

Any way from that I thought of another abstract name:

metarial or metareal

Material about material, i.e. the virtual data world. But it is not really catchy. Not many people would get it initially. Very brandable long-term.

An abstract name along that line of thinking would be:

meta

Things about things, block chains about block chains, programs about programs, or values about values which is I guess what money is. Seems too abstract though.

[TPTB_need_war]

* cybit has trademark issues.

The poll has been reset because we added many name choices after the start of poll. So that everyone can revote, because I think the polls don't enable voters change their vote. The prior poll results are captured in the image below.



Since those who are not interested or don't like any of the name choices had already expressed their opinion in the above image capture of the prior poll results, then the new pool does not offer these choices so we can focus on choosing a name from the available ideas.

My favorites are:

clickz
ion
metarial
vibe
virtual

The unit 'virtuals' or 'metarials' is an abstract or futurist name of the essence of what the owner possesses. Whereas, 'clicks' are more descriptive of a good or service a user would associate with the value of these units (and other definition means synergy). The term 'ions' perhaps connotes a unit of fuel for virtual activity. The unit 'vibes' is an abstract good or energy in social networking, so it a more felt form of a fuel for virtual interaction.

The shorter spelling 'clix' as well 'vibe' are competitive with 'ion' in brevity.

The logo for 'click' is likely a . The logo for 'virtual' would be something like or which is artwork I created in 2002. The logo for 'metarial' would signify recursion or self-referential composition/decomposition . Vibe logo might incorporate the concept of waves or resonance .

I am still considering 'ion' as well. Perhaps people can learn to think of it as the "electric charge" (fuel) they need to do actions in virtual reality. The logo would probably be a lighting bolt and/or positively charge ions floating in a cloud . If 'ion' wins out, I won't be upset. I just want to make sure all perspectives have been weighed by voters. Please read the thread before voting.

i·on·o·sphere
īˈänəˌsfi(ə)r/Submit
noun
the layer of the earth's atmosphere that contains a high concentration of ions and free electrons and is able to reflect radio waves. It lies above the mesosphere and extends from about 50 to 600 miles (80 to 1,000 km) above the earth's surface.

Remember even if we don't choose 'ion' as the name, we can use 'ions' as the smallest unit instead of satoshis.


Here are various logos in I designed from 1999 - 2002:

[trollercoaster]

Digitz? I like clickz too, it works well with social media.