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November 06, 2012, 12:14:23 AM |
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Looking at Romney's record, Every single organization he managed, be it a multi-billion dollar company, a major sporting event or a large State. He had always balanced their budget, and it was always rising from a state of huge deficit. I trust Romney's excellent record. Therefore I'm voting Mitt Romney tomorrow.
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November 06, 2012, 12:19:17 AM |
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My condolences.
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BitCoiner2012
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November 06, 2012, 12:23:52 AM |
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Looking at Romney's record, Every single organization he managed, be it a multi-billion dollar company, a major sporting event or a large State. He had always balanced their budget, and it was always rising from a state of huge deficit. I trust Romney's excellent record. Therefore I'm voting Mitt Romney tomorrow.
What about the support for Patriot Act? NDAA? Foreign entangling and debasing of the currency? Anyone who wants to wipe out my constitutional protections, Obama included (resigned Patriot Act, NDAA, tons of Executive Orders), doesn't have my vote.
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kokojie (OP)
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November 06, 2012, 12:26:44 AM |
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Looking at Romney's record, Every single organization he managed, be it a multi-billion dollar company, a major sporting event or a large State. He had always balanced their budget, and it was always rising from a state of huge deficit. I trust Romney's excellent record. Therefore I'm voting Mitt Romney tomorrow.
What about the support for Patriot Act? NDAA? Foreign entangling and debasing of the currency? Anyone who wants to wipe out my constitutional protections, Obama included (resigned Patriot Act, NDAA, tons of Executive Orders), doesn't have my vote. One thing at a time, the most important issue right now is that Obama has given you 6 trillion additional debt in 4 years, and Obama response to hitting the 16T debt ceiling is "we have always raised the debt ceiling when we hit it". Everything else is insignificant compared to the debt time bomb, just look at Greece.
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myrkul
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November 06, 2012, 12:29:12 AM |
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Looking at Romney's record, Every single organization he managed, be it a multi-billion dollar company, a major sporting event or a large State. He had always balanced their budget, and it was always rising from a state of huge deficit. I trust Romney's excellent record. Therefore I'm voting Mitt Romney tomorrow.
What about the support for Patriot Act? NDAA? Foreign entangling and debasing of the currency? Anyone who wants to wipe out my constitutional protections, Obama included (resigned Patriot Act, NDAA, tons of Executive Orders), doesn't have my vote. One thing at a time, the most important issue right now is that Obama has given you 6 trillion additional debt in 4 years, and Obama response to hitting the 16T debt ceiling is "we have always raised the debt ceiling when we hit it". Everything else is insignificant compared to the debt time bomb, just look at Greece. Oh, yeah. As we stare out of our jail cells, we can all take comfort that the country is at least debt-free.
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November 06, 2012, 12:33:29 AM |
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Looking at Romney's record, Every single organization he managed, be it a multi-billion dollar company, a major sporting event or a large State. He had always balanced their budget, and it was always rising from a state of huge deficit. I trust Romney's excellent record. Therefore I'm voting Mitt Romney tomorrow.
What about the support for Patriot Act? NDAA? Foreign entangling and debasing of the currency? Anyone who wants to wipe out my constitutional protections, Obama included (resigned Patriot Act, NDAA, tons of Executive Orders), doesn't have my vote. One thing at a time, the most important issue right now is that Obama has given you 6 trillion additional debt in 4 years, and Obama response to hitting the 16T debt ceiling is "we have always raised the debt ceiling when we hit it". Everything else is insignificant compared to the debt time bomb, just look at Greece. Pretty much this response: Oh, yeah. As we stare out of our jail cells, we can all take comfort that the country is at least debt-free.
I can't reform anything if I am criminalized or my constitutional rights rescinded. Civil liberties first, then worry about debasing of currency and systematic theft. IMO.
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kokojie (OP)
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November 06, 2012, 12:44:14 AM |
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Looking at Romney's record, Every single organization he managed, be it a multi-billion dollar company, a major sporting event or a large State. He had always balanced their budget, and it was always rising from a state of huge deficit. I trust Romney's excellent record. Therefore I'm voting Mitt Romney tomorrow.
What about the support for Patriot Act? NDAA? Foreign entangling and debasing of the currency? Anyone who wants to wipe out my constitutional protections, Obama included (resigned Patriot Act, NDAA, tons of Executive Orders), doesn't have my vote. One thing at a time, the most important issue right now is that Obama has given you 6 trillion additional debt in 4 years, and Obama response to hitting the 16T debt ceiling is "we have always raised the debt ceiling when we hit it". Everything else is insignificant compared to the debt time bomb, just look at Greece. Pretty much this response: Oh, yeah. As we stare out of our jail cells, we can all take comfort that the country is at least debt-free.
I can't reform anything if I am criminalized or my constitutional rights rescinded. Civil liberties first, then worry about debasing of currency and systematic theft. IMO. Sure we need to improve civil liberty, but any sane person should agree it's not that much of a pressing issue, this is not Soviet Russia/North Korea level of bad, this is just a little bad. You need to get your priorities straight. A economic disaster would affect your life much more than the existence of the Patriot Act. Ask the Greeks which would they prefer? their debt gone and economy back? or government wiretaps? Once we solve the more pressing issues, then we can pick and choose candidates that are better for civil liberty.
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myrkul
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November 06, 2012, 12:51:16 AM |
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Sure we need to improve civil liberty, but any sane person should agree it's not that much of a pressing issue, this is not Soviet Russia/North Korea level of bad, this is just a little bad. You need to get your priorities straight. A economic disaster would affect your life much more than the existence of the Patriot Act. Ask the Greeks which would they prefer? their debt gone and economy back? or illegal wiretaps?
I'll tell you what I would prefer. To be able to watch the value of my BTC rise relative to the dollar, rather than be imprisoned for having BTC. You're on an alt currency board. Economic crisis would probably help most people here. At the very least, it wouldn't hurt 'em. If you're worried about a Dollar crisis, put your money into BTC.
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November 06, 2012, 12:53:00 AM |
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Looking at Romney's record, Every single organization he managed, be it a multi-billion dollar company, a major sporting event or a large State. He had always balanced their budget, and it was always rising from a state of huge deficit. I trust Romney's excellent record. Therefore I'm voting Mitt Romney tomorrow.
Great, this will be like hiring a former pimp to teach home economics to girls at the local middle school, based on his track record of success and fiscal discipline shown while he was engaged in pimping. Hiring a seasoned expert with years of experience in gutting businesses and sending jobs overseas and flipping a profit in the process is great if you are a shareholder in a company he manages. It's not great if your interests are in American workers and American jobs. In that respect, it's like hiring the wolf to help rearchitect the hen house because of his experience "handling" small animals.
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Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable. I never believe them. If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins. I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion. Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice. Don't keep coins online. Use paper or hardware wallets instead.
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November 06, 2012, 01:07:16 AM |
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Looking at Romney's record, Every single organization he managed, be it a multi-billion dollar company, a major sporting event or a large State. He had always balanced their budget, and it was always rising from a state of huge deficit. I trust Romney's excellent record. Therefore I'm voting Mitt Romney tomorrow.
What about the support for Patriot Act? NDAA? Foreign entangling and debasing of the currency? Anyone who wants to wipe out my constitutional protections, Obama included (resigned Patriot Act, NDAA, tons of Executive Orders), doesn't have my vote. One thing at a time, the most important issue right now is that Obama has given you 6 trillion additional debt in 4 years, and Obama response to hitting the 16T debt ceiling is "we have always raised the debt ceiling when we hit it". Everything else is insignificant compared to the debt time bomb, just look at Greece. Pretty much this response: Oh, yeah. As we stare out of our jail cells, we can all take comfort that the country is at least debt-free.
I can't reform anything if I am criminalized or my constitutional rights rescinded. Civil liberties first, then worry about debasing of currency and systematic theft. IMO. Sure we need to improve civil liberty, but any sane person should agree it's not that much of a pressing issue, this is not Soviet Russia/North Korea level of bad, this is just a little bad. You need to get your priorities straight. A economic disaster would affect your life much more than the existence of the Patriot Act. Ask the Greeks which would they prefer? their debt gone and economy back? or government wiretaps? I like to consider my self sane. I don't care if you are local or national, if you have signed such liberty eviscerating and unconstitutional legislation I will not vote for you. Goodbye candidate! To me, there are true colors to be shown. No one eliminating the constitution is to the citizen's benefit. "Things", in my opinion, are much worse than you let on. I have been paying rapt attention since 9/11 and the speed of our civil deterioration is increasing as far as I am concerned. Not that we've been a shining star before 9/11, but post 9/11 government is dangerous in the United States. I don't care specifically about the condition of North Korea or Russia, however I disagree. The type of behavior we have seen (I'll reference recent behavior) is very close to something I would expect in a not so free country. We have had instances of delegates being stripped or replaced without due cause, turn away said delegates or attempt to "persuade" them not to vote, or to drive around committee members on a bus for an hour while holding an RNC rule change vote. Sounds fair doesn't it? Or a teleprompted vote on the floor that isn't legit, but pre determined? Sounds like a reasonable party to support. Or not! I won't do it. I'm registered Republican and I'll be damned if I vote for Romney or Obama. The crash of the dollar is coming whether you elect Romney or Obama, both of those will pave the path to fiscal and civil ruin as far as I am concerned. I have seen the massive evidence of Obama's desire when it comes to Federal authority, a step above the Bush years. Romney, like Obama, will enter (could enter) office with the same unchecked authority that already exists (if you contest this, I simply agree to disagree. Unconstitutional Federal Government is a no no for me) and therefore it comes down to intentions. I do not believe Romney or Obama has my intentions or interests at heart, plus the history of political stance, I can't vote for them. To me a rogue government dropping constant illegal wiretaps without warrant, GPS surveillance, electronic aggregate surveillance with DHS fusion centers (not to mention the militarization of local police to the tune of hundreds of billions a year from the Feds in the form of weapons, armor, sometimes armored turret vehicles for smaller towns), these are serious threats. Generally I would agree to vote based on economic interest, but my economic interest is of no interest to me if I have no liberty. I see what they do with the technology they have had - the technology that is coming is downright Orwellian.
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November 06, 2012, 01:56:13 AM |
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I'll tell you what I would prefer. To be able to watch the value of my BTC rise relative to the dollar, rather than be imprisoned for having BTC. You're on an alt currency board. Economic crisis would probably help most people here. At the very least, it wouldn't hurt 'em. If you're worried about a Dollar crisis, put your money into BTC.
How about your wage or salary? Is it denominated in BTC? If not, a decline of the currency you earn takes your earnings with it. It's an invisible pay cut for you and everyone else similarly situated. You'll have to demand a raise tomorrow just to be paid what you earned yesterday for the same work.
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Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable. I never believe them. If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins. I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion. Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice. Don't keep coins online. Use paper or hardware wallets instead.
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November 06, 2012, 02:22:36 AM |
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I'll tell you what I would prefer. To be able to watch the value of my BTC rise relative to the dollar, rather than be imprisoned for having BTC. You're on an alt currency board. Economic crisis would probably help most people here. At the very least, it wouldn't hurt 'em. If you're worried about a Dollar crisis, put your money into BTC.
How about your wage or salary? Is it denominated in BTC? If not, a decline of the currency you earn takes your earnings with it. It's an invisible pay cut for you and everyone else similarly situated. You'll have to demand a raise tomorrow just to be paid what you earned yesterday for the same work. That's an excellent point. Of course, money does you no good if you've been black-bagged and dragged off to gitmo, or if a drone drops a hellfire through your bedroom window, on no better reason than the President's say-so. And both major candidates have upheld the ability to do that.
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November 06, 2012, 02:39:37 AM |
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What is a 16 trillion dollar debt compared to 900 trillion in weaponized rehypothecated financial instruments used to finance wars, destroy national economies (including the USA), and impoverish families? Neither of them is going to do anything about this. The way I see it, Obama will help the sick, old, and poor die with some comfort, but Romney will cause bloodshed in the streets by pushing the poor to outright insurgency and guerrilla warfare. There are a lot of pissed off veterans nowadays much like Timothy McVeigh.
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November 06, 2012, 03:22:23 AM |
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tbh i think the united states is screwed again, bush for 8 years running shit down the drain, obama going back on everything he promissed and then you lost ron paul.... probably the only person since jfk to make any sense...
but hey, most western countrys are turning in to police states on welfare...
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November 06, 2012, 04:10:00 AM |
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Gary Johnson balanced the New Mexico budget without raising taxes and firing a single state worker, leaving a billion dollar surplus. Tomorrow, I won't be voting for the so-called "fiscal conservative" (who will have a bigger budget than Obama in the first year and won't balance the budget in his presidency), I will be voting for the budget magician who also cares about personal liberties and peaceful foreign policy.
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November 06, 2012, 04:19:06 AM |
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I think we need Clinton back. Now that hes too old to get caught up in the "scandals" of his previous term, he can spend more time working on what he did right. Well, that is unless he has viagra...
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November 06, 2012, 04:23:57 AM |
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I think we need Clinton back. Now that hes too old to get caught up in the "scandals" of his previous term, he can spend more time working on what he did right. Well, that is unless he has viagra...
Ugh, no. His policies enacted to back bad housing loans with government funds caused the housing bubble (and subsequent crash). That's how it always is with the Dem's - looking at the surface, never seeing the consequences down the road.
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November 06, 2012, 05:13:08 AM |
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I think we need Clinton back. Now that hes too old to get caught up in the "scandals" of his previous term, he can spend more time working on what he did right. Well, that is unless he has viagra...
Ugh, no. His policies enacted to back bad housing loans with government funds caused the housing bubble (and subsequent crash). That's how it always is with the Dem's - looking at the surface, never seeing the consequences down the road. Caught it before I did. Not to mention cruise missiles and entanglements. But surely it isn't a Democratic problem , if anything the disease that festers in our government is bipartisan. Just look at the "debates" between less than half of the people running. Media collusion creates a restricted environment for discourse intentionally, designed to propagate specific narratives in the political sphere.
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November 06, 2012, 05:14:36 AM |
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Looking at Romney's record, Every single organization he managed, be it a multi-billion dollar company, a major sporting event or a large State. He had always balanced their budget, and it was always rising from a state of huge deficit. I trust Romney's excellent record. Therefore I'm voting Mitt Romney tomorrow.
So what is his plan? I see no way out that anyone will like. Plus balancing the budget isn't even the president's job.
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November 06, 2012, 05:17:07 AM |
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Gary Johnson balanced the New Mexico budget without raising taxes and firing a single state worker, leaving a billion dollar surplus. Tomorrow, I won't be voting for the so-called "fiscal conservative" (who will have a bigger budget than Obama in the first year and won't balance the budget in his presidency), I will be voting for the budget magician who also cares about personal liberties and peaceful foreign policy.
This may be the smartest thing I've ever seen from you. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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