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November 10, 2015, 12:40:56 AM
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" When asked whether he would follow the example of boxer Roy Jones and apply for Russian citizenship, the star noted that he would probably consider it, as you never know what the future brings, but it was too early to make such predictions."

http://sputniknews.com/world/20151110/1029845386/de-biro-may-be-seeking-russian-citizenship.html

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November 10, 2015, 01:43:48 AM
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A Russian citizenship is much priced in the former-USSR, especially in the Central Asia and economically depressed countries such as Ukraine and Moldova. Even in the Baltic nations the Russian citizenship is increasingly getting popular, despite these nations being in the European Union. That said, De Niro might not consider applying for the Russian passport. He owns restaurants and cafeterias all around the world, and the newly opened cafe in Moscow is just one of them.
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November 10, 2015, 01:44:44 AM
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I would take one and some free land in siberia even.

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November 10, 2015, 01:46:43 AM
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Is there any reason why Robert 'De Biro' wants Russian citizenship? What possible advantage is there for him?
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November 10, 2015, 02:00:18 AM
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Is there any reason why Robert 'De Biro' wants Russian citizenship? What possible advantage is there for him?

Low tax rates can be one of the reasons. Remember Gérard Depardieu? He dumped his French passport, and applied for the Russian citizenship after the French government increased the income tax rate to 75% (In Russia, the rate of income tax is a uniform 13%). The VAT is also one of the reasons. A liter of gasoline costs €1.329 in Germany, while it costs just €0.537 in Russia.
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Low tax rates can be one of the reasons. Remember Gérard Depardieu? He dumped his French passport, and applied for the Russian citizenship after the French government increased the income tax rate to 75% (In Russia, the rate of income tax is a uniform 13%). The VAT is also one of the reasons. A liter of gasoline costs €1.329 in Germany, while it costs just €0.537 in Russia.

But as an American he'd have to give up his citizenship to make any tax savings. I doubt he worries about the price of gas too much either.
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November 10, 2015, 02:28:13 AM
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But as an American he'd have to give up his citizenship to make any tax savings. I doubt he worries about the price of gas too much either.

Why should he give up his American citizenship? Both the United States and Russia permits dual citizenship. In fact, most of the sane countries in the world permit dual citizenship. Only some retarded ones (such as Ukraine and North Korea) are against it. Roy Jones in an interview even confirmed that he will be a dual citizen of both Russia and the US.
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Why should he give up his American citizenship?


American citizens are taxed worldwide. If he became a Russian citizen to save tax it wouldn't make any difference if he retained American citizenship too.
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November 10, 2015, 02:37:02 AM
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American citizens are taxed worldwide. If he became a Russian citizen to save tax it wouldn't make any difference if he retained American citizenship too.

I believe that only the income which is generated within the United States will be taxed by the US authorities. So it should be OK, because Russia does not impose income tax on revenue from outside Russia. So if De Niro is earning some $1,000,000 by renting out his house in the US, then he will be paying the taxes only to the American authorities, and not to the Russians.
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November 10, 2015, 08:16:01 AM
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American citizens are taxed worldwide. If he became a Russian citizen to save tax it wouldn't make any difference if he retained American citizenship too.

I believe that only the income which is generated within the United States will be taxed by the US authorities.
It's correct for normal countries. It's unfortunately, but your belief doesn't matter in case of United States. US has imperial complex and forces every its citizen to fill a declaration of incomings, including those which were received outside of their actual jurisdiction. He will be taxed for the foreign incomings or prosecuted for tax evasion otherwise.

It's very funny because even the "totalitarian" DPRK doesn't force its citizen to act in such way.
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November 10, 2015, 09:37:07 AM
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sounds like a nice place to retire if you have money, few pakis and blacks

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November 10, 2015, 10:37:00 AM
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Why he is considering to abandon his country and people who have given him so much love, publicity, money, fame. He should rather consider helping the poor and needy people with his wealth that he has accumulated so far. Instead of paying back, he wants to leave the country..

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I would take one and some free land in siberia even.


This is a real possibility, Pacific Ocean zone permit to have hektares for free. But what You will do there?

http://www.kp.ru/daily/26425.4/3300111/

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November 10, 2015, 11:41:38 AM
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He probably found out about something and wants to leave.

Or he's not agreeing with the american goverment or maybe he's using this as a backup plan.

Just a few of my guesses here
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November 10, 2015, 12:22:51 PM
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It not only celebrities who are leaving because of high tax rate.

Corporations have been doing that too (tax inversion): Burger King is not a Canadian company. Medical device manufacturer Medtronic has moved it's HQ to Ireland for a much lower 12.5% tax than the US 35%. Apple has billions of profit overseas, and borrowed $30 billion in the US because they can deduct loan interest from profits and enjoy lower tax.
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November 10, 2015, 01:37:24 PM
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It not only celebrities who are leaving because of high tax rate.

Ohh, no! Why You make remember this  Shocked

https://search.wikileaks.org/?q=snowden

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November 10, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
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It not only celebrities who are leaving because of high tax rate.

Ohh, no! Why You make remember this  Shocked

https://search.wikileaks.org/?q=snowden

The day a russian spy will steal document and go to US ... i do not give a week , before he get killed ... and Russian try to give "democratic" lesson ... funny really ...

Explain us where finished Vladimir Vetrov ?

Haa yes he finished with a head bullet... in a prison of moscow... 


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a russian spy will steal document and go to US ...

Who? This one?

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Explain us where finished Vladimir Vetrov ?

Haa yes he finished with a head bullet... in a prison of moscow... 




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November 10, 2015, 04:13:19 PM
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Well if this is true, good for him hope he gets his citizenship

I say get out while you can, if he finds a better life in Russia why not?
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November 10, 2015, 04:58:12 PM
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It's correct for normal countries. It's unfortunately, but your belief doesn't matter in case of United States. US has imperial complex and forces every its citizen to fill a declaration of incomings, including those which were received outside of their actual jurisdiction. He will be taxed for the foreign incomings or prosecuted for tax evasion otherwise.

It's very funny because even the "totalitarian" DPRK doesn't force its citizen to act in such way.

OMG! If that is the case, then all of the American expatriates (perhaps with the exception of the diplomatic and military personal) are getting taxed twice, which is extremely unfair. Also, the income tax rate in the US is quite high (can go up to 53% in certain states, such as California and New York). A lot more people should be renouncing their American citizenship in that case.
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It's correct for normal countries. It's unfortunately, but your belief doesn't matter in case of United States. US has imperial complex and forces every its citizen to fill a declaration of incomings, including those which were received outside of their actual jurisdiction. He will be taxed for the foreign incomings or prosecuted for tax evasion otherwise.

It's very funny because even the "totalitarian" DPRK doesn't force its citizen to act in such way.

OMG! If that is the case, then all of the American expatriates (perhaps with the exception of the diplomatic and military personal) are getting taxed twice, which is extremely unfair. Also, the income tax rate in the US is quite high (can go up to 53% in certain states, such as California and New York). A lot more people should be renouncing their American citizenship in that case.
It's not so simple to renounce your US citizenship. You have to pay fixed renounce fee along with so-called "expatriation tax" which depends on amount of your incomings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriation_tax#United_States

By the way, expatriation tax also applies to non-citizens, who were "granted" with residence permit. Yep, it's a nice scam scheme which treats individual as a kind of private property. Cheesy

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I think that some nation could do fairly well by saying something like:

"You know what?  The founders of the United States had some really good basic ideas about 'life, liberty, etc' and it served them well for a long time.  Now that the U.S. has abandoned most of these ideas and is adopting a position as just another part of the totalitarian one-world govt, we are going to adopt some of these good ideas and try to make our nation move in the direction envisioned by giants like Thomas Jefferson."

I bet that a lot of capable people would make tracks to their doorstep if they were demonstrably serious about such a strategy.  Russia with it's defensive capabilities and lack of significant carrying capacity issues would seem like the most promising of nations to try such a track.  I'm not holding my breath though.


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It's correct for normal countries. It's unfortunately, but your belief doesn't matter in case of United States. US has imperial complex and forces every its citizen to fill a declaration of incomings, including those which were received outside of their actual jurisdiction. He will be taxed for the foreign incomings or prosecuted for tax evasion otherwise.

It's very funny because even the "totalitarian" DPRK doesn't force its citizen to act in such way.

OMG! If that is the case, then all of the American expatriates (perhaps with the exception of the diplomatic and military personal) are getting taxed twice, which is extremely unfair. Also, the income tax rate in the US is quite high (can go up to 53% in certain states, such as California and New York). A lot more people should be renouncing their American citizenship in that case.
It's not so simple to renounce your US citizenship. You have to pay fixed renounce fee along with so-called "expatriation tax" which depends on amount of your incomings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriation_tax#United_States

By the way, expatriation tax also applies to non-citizens, who were "granted" with residence permit. Yep, it's a nice scam scheme which treats individual as a kind of private property. Cheesy
Hm... Snowden's citizenship has been cancelled by US authorities after he left Hong-Kong. So it seems that Snowden-like method of renunciation is much more preferred in terms of costs & paper work.
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Hm... Snowden's citizenship has been cancelled by US authorities after he left Hong-Kong. So it seems that Snowden-like method of renunciation is much more preferred in terms of costs & paper work.

Snowden can't travel outside Russia, and even inside Russia, there is a constant threat of the CIA either abducting or harming him. His property in the United States has been frozen, and he is barred from meeting his family members. Do you want yourself in such a situation? And that too, for the rest of your life? I don't think so.
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Snowden can't travel outside Russia, and even inside Russia.

lol.

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I could think of worse places to live.

Saw a documentary last night called "Dreamcatcher" - about the life of a class of young black girls in Chicago that we aren't supposed to talk about. Disgraceful. And this in the richest nation on Earth. But give me 10 human beings with the same strength of character as Brenda Myers-Powell and the problems of one city could be overcome very quickly. Give me 1000 and.... who knows.

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Good for him, but is he trying to detract from his failed Hollywood career? Russia is as cold and miserable as New York.

Al Pacino is moving to China, by the way guize. Wink

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Fuck it - I'm off to Venezeula. Cuba.
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De Niro was opening another one of his part owned Nobu Japanese Restaurants for the megarich in Moscow.
He was being polite at the press conference, that's all.
Putin might like to add him to his collection of famous trophy westerners like Depardieu and Jones Jr., probably why the story's being spun by the Russian media, but De Niro's a thru and thru Obama supporting Democrat.

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Hm... Snowden's citizenship has been cancelled by US authorities after he left Hong-Kong. So it seems that Snowden-like method of renunciation is much more preferred in terms of costs & paper work.

Snowden can't travel outside Russia, and even inside Russia, there is a constant threat of the CIA either abducting or harming him. His property in the United States has been frozen, and he is barred from meeting his family members. Do you want yourself in such a situation? And that too, for the rest of your life? I don't think so.

Translated, you mean there are some fat slobs of excuses for CIA type agents who would rather go after an easy target like Snowden than some actual bad guy terrorists that might very likely shoot back.

Yep, that sounds plausible.  No, it's not exactly right.  Yes, the agents could do better for their country.
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De Niro was opening another one of his part owned Nobu Japanese Restaurants for the megarich in Moscow.
He was being polite at the press conference, that's all.
Putin might like to add him to his collection of famous trophy westerners like Depardieu and Jones Jr., probably why the story's being spun by the Russian media, but De Niro's a thru and thru Obama supporting Democrat.

He should move out of the country, most definitely.  Although most of the thru and thru Obama supporting Democrats and socialists are in Europe.

Not in the USA.

And he's an honorary citizen of Italy, I am sure there are many braindeadwashed there.
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De Niro was opening another one of his part owned Nobu Japanese Restaurants for the megarich in Moscow.
He was being polite at the press conference, that's all.
Putin might like to add him to his collection of famous trophy westerners like Depardieu and Jones Jr., probably why the story's being spun by the Russian media, but De Niro's a thru and thru Obama supporting Democrat.

So True ... question is .. why European / US press do not ask to any russian citizen ... if you want to make business in our country ... would you ask for being national citizen ... ?

Answer : Why i would need to do ? Hoo nothing this is just good for our propaganda ......
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So True ... question is .. why European / US press do not ask to any russian citizen ...

LOL, You are a 0 in Russian Business questions.
All Russian Business are under Cyprus and Duch registered juridic names.
No smart people from RF goes to build juridic names in US.

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I guess it is good business idea to get citizenship fron low-tax place you have open businesses.
Also usa is not a dream anymore. So russia might not be best option there but still it is good.
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I guess it is good business idea to get citizenship fron low-tax place you have open businesses.
Also usa is not a dream anymore. So russia might not be best option there but still it is good.

The very rich like De Niro don't have high tax problems in the West, they give their money to accountants to help avoid it.
The USA was certainly a dream fulfilled for De Niro and his family, third generation immigrants turned classic arty libs who would no more move to Putin's Russia than fly to the moon.

A total non story, crude propaganda from the ganstas, trying for credibility they're never going to get.

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It's correct for normal countries. It's unfortunately, but your belief doesn't matter in case of United States. US has imperial complex and forces every its citizen to fill a declaration of incomings, including those which were received outside of their actual jurisdiction. He will be taxed for the foreign incomings or prosecuted for tax evasion otherwise.

It's very funny because even the "totalitarian" DPRK doesn't force its citizen to act in such way.

OMG! If that is the case, then all of the American expatriates (perhaps with the exception of the diplomatic and military personal) are getting taxed twice, which is extremely unfair. Also, the income tax rate in the US is quite high (can go up to 53% in certain states, such as California and New York). A lot more people should be renouncing their American citizenship in that case.

You are taxed on the money you make in the US. If you are overseas you get the overseas income exemption up to about $100k.

For someone like DeNiro he would likely have an incorporation that is getting paid for his work which he can then incorporate somewhere outside of the US such as the Caymans. Then he can buy things with that corporation (corporate car, corporate house, company paid for meals, etc) while collecting a minimal income (to him) under $100k.

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I would take one and some free land in siberia even.


This is a real possibility, Pacific Ocean zone permit to have hektares for free. But what You will do there?

http://www.kp.ru/daily/26425.4/3300111/

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live a quiet rural life. With more freedom than I do in this "homeland"
I need to learn the language first though. Before I can try and submit forms.

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I need to learn the language first though. Before I can try and submit forms.

You need learn nothing, if You buy land and home.
There is enough possibilities.

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I need to learn the language first though. Before I can try and submit forms.

You need learn nothing, if You buy land and home.
There is enough possibilities.
with money anything is possible, but money I do not have.
Anyone willing to sponsor me?
get me land and I'll work it and build my home.

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1 hectare per one russian for free:

https://www.rt.com/politics/322404-government-drafts-bill-on-free/

But that will work for citizens only.
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1 hectare per one russian for free:

https://www.rt.com/politics/322404-government-drafts-bill-on-free/

But that will work for citizens only.

Thats very interesting - I hereby bestow upon Putin the honourary title of "PracticalDreamer".

Hold on - "the east" ? - does that mean Siberia ?

Anyhow, its noble in intent.

The Scottish Government would like similar land reforms over here - but they haven't quite worked out how to disposess Egyptian Mohamed Al Fayad of his 65,000 acre Balnagown Estate - or that of other absent middle eastern landlords (oil barons ?) land holdings. They now constitute the single largest landholding group, in the Highlands at least - if not in Scotland.
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Hold on - "the east" ? - does that mean Siberia ?
Far Eastern District. Jewish Autonomous Region, Khabarovsk Krai, Amur Oblast and so on.
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Hold on - "the east" ? - does that mean Siberia ?
Far Eastern District. Jewish Autonomous Region, Khabarovsk Krai, Amur Oblast and so on.

"Taiga and tundra in the north, swampy forest in the central depression, and deciduous forest in the south are the natural vegetation in the area." - and to the east, the Pacific.

Sounds good to me.

1 hectare you say ?

I never mentioned it before but I have ancient ancestry from over there - my great great grandfather on my mothers side was named Uzala. Dersu Uzala.

Do you think I might qualify ?
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There is a right on repatriation, of course. But, as far I know, current law doesn't define any legal terms like "russian people" or "russian nation". The term "compatriot" is used instead, and its definition is not so clear for me. I think only lawyer will be able to answer this question correctly. Roll Eyes

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Is there any reason why Robert 'De Biro' wants Russian citizenship? What possible advantage is there for him?

Low tax rates can be one of the reasons. Remember Gérard Depardieu? He dumped his French passport, and applied for the Russian citizenship after the French government increased the income tax rate to 75% (In Russia, the rate of income tax is a uniform 13%). The VAT is also one of the reasons. A liter of gasoline costs €1.329 in Germany, while it costs just €0.537 in Russia.


this did not made sense, from macro-economic theory, you should compare the price of Hamburger in McDonald, both in germany and russia.
 the normal monthly salary divided by the cost of 1 Hamburger of McDonald, then you can see who can buy more Hamburgers to eat, russian or german.
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November 20, 2015, 10:05:04 PM
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Hold on - "the east" ? - does that mean Siberia ?
Far Eastern District. Jewish Autonomous Region, Khabarovsk Krai, Amur Oblast and so on.

How arable is that land? Any jobs out there?

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How arable is that land? Any jobs out there?
Currently, more than 50% of arable lands of Far East aren't used for anything. It seems as a real reason of free land distrubution. There are also other types of lands, such as forests.

http://expert.ru/2015/01/19/zemlyu---kitajtsami/ (in russian)

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He also said that currently there are 614 million hectares of land in the state property in the Far East, a land of different categories.

"We want to establish a mechanism of free land allocation for each inhabitant of the Far East as well as to every person who would like to come to the Far East, one hectare of land that can be used for agriculture, business, forestry, hunting", - Trutnev said.

They also assume that the most of arable land will not be used in the near future. However, the productivity of agricultural crops will grow in the coming decades due to climate change, it will make lands more attractive for agriculture. I.e. it's a kind of long-term asset.
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April 06, 2016, 03:08:03 PM
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How arable is that land? Any jobs out there?
Currently, more than 50% of arable lands of Far East aren't used for anything. It seems as a real reason of free land distrubution. There are also other types of lands, such as forests.

http://expert.ru/2015/01/19/zemlyu---kitajtsami/ (in russian)

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He also said that currently there are 614 million hectares of land in the state property in the Far East, a land of different categories.

"We want to establish a mechanism of free land allocation for each inhabitant of the Far East as well as to every person who would like to come to the Far East, one hectare of land that can be used for agriculture, business, forestry, hunting", - Trutnev said.

They also assume that the most of arable land will not be used in the near future. However, the productivity of agricultural crops will grow in the coming decades due to climate change, it will make lands more attractive for agriculture. I.e. it's a kind of long-term asset.
Meanwhile, this bill was submitted to the lower house of parliament and, most likely, it will get the majority of votes.

http://vz.ru/news/2016/4/6/803920.html (in russian).
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Meanwhile, this bill was submitted to the lower house of parliament and, most likely, it will get the majority of votes.

http://vz.ru/news/2016/4/6/803920.html (in russian).

I am afraid that 1 hectare is too small to attract farmers or other investors. The area should be increased to at least 10 hectares. This will enable the investors to make medium-scale investments on sectors such as logging, animal husbandry, and agriculture. Also, rather than allotting the land permanently, it should be leased out with long-term contracts (such as 49-years, or 99-years).
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I am afraid that 1 hectare is too small to attract farmers or other investors. The area should be increased to at least 10 hectares.
Then we wouldn't have enough land to distribute it between those who are willing to get it. There are 614 million hectares of unused public land, which is available for distribution. This number, being divided by 10, gives us only 61 million of potential receivers, that's not so much.
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I am afraid that 1 hectare is too small to attract farmers or other investors. The area should be increased to at least 10 hectares.
Then we wouldn't have enough land to distribute it between those who are willing to get it. There are 614 million hectares of unused public land, which is available for distribution. This number, being divided by 10, gives us only 61 million of potential receivers, that's not so much.

How many families are there in Russia? 35 million at the most. And out of that, how many would be interested in moving to the rural areas of Eastern Siberia, where there is no electricity or broadband? The number might be less than 1 million. So let me do the math. 10 hectares to each of these families would mean that the government would need 10 million ha. (100,000 sq.km).
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I am afraid that 1 hectare is too small to attract farmers or other investors. The area should be increased to at least 10 hectares.
Then we wouldn't have enough land to distribute it between those who are willing to get it. There are 614 million hectares of unused public land, which is available for distribution. This number, being divided by 10, gives us only 61 million of potential receivers, that's not so much.

How many families are there in Russia? 35 million at the most. And out of that, how many would be interested in moving to the rural areas of Eastern Siberia, where there is no electricity or broadband? The number might be less than 1 million. So let me do the math. 10 hectares to each of these families would mean that the government would need 10 million ha. (100,000 sq.km).
It's not about families, it's about individuals.

It also should be noted that this law won't require a permanent residence on the granted land. You will be allowed to have this land in your property even if you're living in Kaliningrad. You will also be able to pass it to your children, as part of inheritance, or just rent it to someone else. The only difference from having this land in private property is that you won't be allowed to sell it.
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It also should be noted that this law won't require a permanent residence on the granted land. You will be allowed to have this land in your property even if you're living in Kaliningrad. You will also be able to pass it to your children, as part of inheritance, or just rent it to someone else. The only difference from having this land in private property is that you won't be allowed to sell it.

That will be a very wrong move. People will just take the land, and will do no productive work on that plot. Also giving out 4 ha. or 5 ha. each to the families will be much better than awarding one hectare to individuals, as the plot size will be big enough to allow medium scale and small scale projects such as poultry or dairy farms.
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It also should be noted that this law won't require a permanent residence on the granted land. You will be allowed to have this land in your property even if you're living in Kaliningrad. You will also be able to pass it to your children, as part of inheritance, or just rent it to someone else. The only difference from having this land in private property is that you won't be allowed to sell it.

That will be a very wrong move. People will just take the land, and will do no productive work on that plot. Also giving out 4 ha. or 5 ha. each to the families will be much better than awarding one hectare to individuals, as the plot size will be big enough to allow medium scale and small scale projects such as poultry or dairy farms.

Back in the day, the U.S. had a homestead program.  One had to 'prove up' before title was granted meaning that various developments needed to occur.  Land cleared, fences, structures, etc.  In my area a homestead was about 65 ha.  I live on property originally homesteaded by ancestors around the turn of the century (1900).  Rugged area so the amount of land suitable for agriculture is perhaps 10 ha of the original homestead if that.  That's enough to provide a decent quality of life for a family (if they don't mind working their asses off), but not much excess.  During the depression 'the ranch' provided potatoes for the extended family, many of whom lived in town, and there were half a dozen hogs which could be sold to raise a little money and stuff like that.

The old homesteads are gradually being abandoned and going back to nature.  It's really only 'sustainable' and efficient to stack-n-pack humans into high density housing in population centers.  Humans are still 'free range' in that they can walk or bicycle down to some 'green space' if they like.  There is no reason why humans cannot be kept as efficiently as other animals are on a factory farm, and that seems to be what 'the powers that be' have in mind.  If, for whatever reason or set of reasons, Putin has limited interest in going along with the program that is very interesting indeed and very hopeful for the Russian people.


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https://www.rt.com/business/341892-far-east-land-infrastructure/

President Vladimir Putin has ordered free land handouts in Russia’s Far East should be provided with minimal infrastructure. On Monday, he signed a law offering land plots of 1 hectare (2.5 acres) to citizens for free.
“We should work with regional authorities, so that land plots are allocated in areas with at least minimal infrastructure,” Putin said on Wednesday while meeting with Russia's Far East Development Minister Alexander Galushka.

According to the minister, the infrastructure could be provided to a group of twenty land owners. He said that since the ministry has announced the idea of land development, people have started applying. They suggest cooperation of about 200-300 people, said Galushka, adding that then the provision of infrastructure becomes possible, even if it’s not a highly-developed one.

The Minister also said that the Cabinet is preparing a bill on lowering electricity prices in the Far East to the average cost in Russia.

The idea of a so-called ‘Russian Homestead Act’ was first proposed in early 2015 by the presidential envoy to the Far East Federal District, Yury Trutnev, who suggested offering large plots of land for free to anyone willing to resettle to the Russian Far East to start a farm or business. The program is one of the initiatives aimed at boosting the economy in the region.

Anyone is entitled to apply for up to hectare of land in the Kamchatka, Primorye, Khabarovsk, Amur, Magadan and Sakhalin regions, the republic of Sakha, or the Jewish and Chukotka autonomous districts.

The land can be used for any lawful purpose but can only be rented, sold, or given away after an initial five-year period. Foreigners are also allowed to use the land, and the registration of full property rights is only possible after the naturalization of potential owners.
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" When asked whether he would follow the example of boxer Roy Jones and apply for Russian citizenship, the star noted that he would probably consider it, as you never know what the future brings, but it was too early to make such predictions."

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if he apply for russian citizenship , it will be very good for him.. i love russia and russian people.. they are so crazy ..i think russia will be the best place to live in in near future..
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The land can be used for any lawful purpose but can only be rented, sold, or given away after an initial five-year period. Foreigners are also allowed to use the land, and the registration of full property rights is only possible after the naturalization of potential owners.

This can be problematic. Rural Russians or Yakuts will get the land, and then rent them out to the Chinese. Tens of thousands of Chinese farmers will flood to the far-east, and they will outnumber the Russians in the villages. Also, the Japanese might use this option to get a toehold in the island of Sakhalin, and the Kuriles.
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The land can be used for any lawful purpose but can only be rented, sold, or given away after an initial five-year period. Foreigners are also allowed to use the land, and the registration of full property rights is only possible after the naturalization of potential owners.

This can be problematic. Rural Russians or Yakuts will get the land, and then rent them out to the Chinese. Tens of thousands of Chinese farmers will flood to the far-east, and they will outnumber the Russians in the villages. Also, the Japanese might use this option to get a toehold in the island of Sakhalin, and the Kuriles.

The draw for allowing foreigners to utilize the resource is that they may bring in capital to foster infrastructure development.  I would hope that Russia embraces a 'nationalist' policy which attempts to favor their present people and their culture (and codifies this favoritism up-front so nobody can claim surprise) but also leverages external realities which can speed the project toward a conclusion which works for everyone.

From what little I know of this Russian project (exclusively what I read here on this board) this looks to me like Putin putting a thumb in the eye of the Globalist and their projects expressed by the U.N. sponsored 'human habitat' projects.  That is, effectively, people actually owning nothing but rather forced to dump what excesses they earn into the pockets of rent-seekers, artificial scarcity and surveillance of various types the norm, and packed like sardines into human mega-centers.  By consolidating people away from resource-rich environments it paves the way for monopolization of these resources by multi-national corporations and economies of scale which characterizes the utilization of agricultural resources in the U.S. at present...or at least the strong trend.  I suspect (or at least hope) that the peoples of the former Soviet Union are still primed to reject this as a life-way.


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A poll by the Express newspaper found a majority of Brits want to emigrate to Russia after President Vladimir Putin offered free land to people willing to settle the country’s sparsely-populated Far East region.

The British tabloid survey found 78 percent of the more than 22,000 respondents replied “Yes! Bargain” when asked: “Would you move to Russia in exchange for free land?”

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The current proposition is to offer about 2.5 acres of land to Russians and foreigners who want to build homes or start business in agriculture or tourism in the Far East.

However, foreigners will only be allowed to use the land. Full property rights can only be attained if the homesteaders naturalize as Russian citizens.

Russia’s Communist Party is now seeking to expand the proposed scheme to much larger territories in Siberia.


https://www.rt.com/uk/342926-russia-free-land-poll/


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I think no one should stop him if he thinks Russia is a right place for him. Why he wants to make it an issue?
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I would take one and some free land in siberia even.

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I would take one and some free land in siberia even.

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I would take one and some free land in siberia even.

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Meanwhile, regional authorities have begun an implementation of land handover program.

https://www.rt.com/politics/344287-russian-far-east-region-allocates/

Some of them are providing larger chunks than it's required by the federal rules.

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The Amur Region launched its own free land handover program in March 2015. It is slightly different from the federal Russian program that offers free land in the Far East and Siberia. In particular the size of land plots is bigger – 2.5 hectares for private use and up to 20 hectares for a commercial farm, as opposed to a flat 1 hectare for everyone under federal rules.

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Some of them are providing larger chunks than it's required by the federal rules.

Yes. Yakutia is giving away another 2.5 hectares, in addition to the 1 hectare federal offer. So in total, the applicant will receive 3.5 hectares of land (8.65 acres), which is large enough for medium sized farms.

And Amur Oblast has already registered the first allocations:

https://www.rt.com/business/345022-russia-far-east-free-land/

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The first three applications were received from residents in the area, which for many years engaged in beekeeping. District authorities have already approved the layout of the land, and property boundaries have been registered
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Its his choice to live where ever he wants. Its Democracy

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That lucky again Russia. And Gerard (now simply Zhorik) Depardieu their citizen. Now another celebrity. Probably these people patriotism and loyalty to the homeland - just empty words
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De Niro - clever man. In Russia much easier situation with taxes. It is much easier to bribe and stay "clean". Corruption flourishes.
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De Niro - clever man. In Russia much easier situation with taxes. It is much easier to bribe and stay "clean". Corruption flourishes.
Wonderful country.

Corruption is everywhere, and not just in Russia. However, it is true that the income tax rate is quite low in Russia. The maximum rate is around 13%, while in France the same is 75%. That means that if you are earning some $1,000,000 per year, then you will be allowed to keep $870,000 in Russia, although you will be left with just $250,000 if you are in France.
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De Niro - clever man. In Russia much easier situation with taxes. It is much easier to bribe and stay "clean". Corruption flourishes.
Wonderful country.

Corruption is everywhere, and not just in Russia. However, it is true that the income tax rate is quite low in Russia. The maximum rate is around 13%, while in France the same is 75%. That means that if you are earning some $1,000,000 per year, then you will be allowed to keep $870,000 in Russia, although you will be left with just $250,000 if you are in France.
It's not necessary to pay 13%. In case of simplified tax system you will need to pay only 6%.
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He seems that he is like a leech.  He is only for the good things that he would enjoy on that country without thinking that he is American.  Well, yeah, he could choose because he has the freedom to choose.  But dumping your citizenship before like dumping the real you in exchange for selfish ambition is not a good idea.  I do not know, but yes, it is still his choice. Grin
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