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November 19, 2015, 07:42:39 PM
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Yes I use a signature myself. Everytime I go to the lending section, usually for fun to see newbies asking for loans, I see sig spammers in every thread telling them, you will get a negative trust rating for asking for a loan without collateral and that's fine, THE FIRST TIME, they spam that 10 times in a row, you don't need to tell him somenthing that has already been said 9 times before. What do you even have to comment on a lending post, just post there if you are actually willing to give him the loan, if not DONT.

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marjod https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=351602 (90% of his posts are on the lending section) You would think this guy takes a lot of loans but NO, most of his posts are totally worthless, judge by yourself.
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November 19, 2015, 07:55:27 PM
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This just confirms what we have known for a while now. Spammers have started rewriting what has already been answered in the thread and it is quite annoying to some users. It is time to put a stop to that as well. A list needs to be compiled similar to what happened with yobit.

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November 19, 2015, 08:06:25 PM
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I addressed this previously in another thread; similar things happen in all sections of the forum.
I didnt want to open another thread but i also noticed a lot of spam in the lending section, like if you are not going to give a loan you shouldn't be posting anything at all in the first place. Everytime a newbie asks for a loan, 10 posts appear within seconds telling him he needs to use collateral, im not saying it's bad but with 1 person saying it, it's more than enough and it's obvious the ones that are posting there are doing it for their signature campaign, pretty sad.
it's a lot more wide spread than you think, there's similar stuff going on in the digital goods section too. plenty of "vouch please," "do you have a signed message available," "pm me the account so I can look at post history," etc you get the idea. again, it's not bad that a person asks these things, but is apparent people are spamming these questions when 10 or so people ask the same question within minutes. it's probably just as bad in several other sections too.

edit: currency exchange section: "no reversible payment," "bla bla bla paypal bla bla 180 days reversible," etc. beginners and help section is the same; a question is asked and a near-identical answer is plastered all over the thread at least 40 times.


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November 19, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
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Like subSTRATA said, this has already been pointed out and plenty of sections are filled with this kind of bs. There's nothing we can really do expect deal with it, since that kind of posting has becoming "normal quality" posts nowadays. You can see that those posters who have the majority of their posts like that have no trouble whatsoever joining in campaigns (except for those run by very strict managers, like Carra23).

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November 19, 2015, 08:16:03 PM
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This just confirms what we have known for a while now. Spammers have started rewriting what has already been answered in the thread and it is quite annoying to some users. It is time to put a stop to that as well. A list needs to be compiled similar to what happened with yobit.
True, as always, if no one is willing to take an initiative, I can compile that list. But three spammer thread might be cluttering the Meta board.
This is an example of such repetition, even though its not a Loan thread. And well thats the story of bitcointalk itself, you can notice it in nearly every thread you go except probably Technical support, Wallet specific board , Mining , Development and technical discussion and not surprisingly, Archive.
As long as Admins or Global moderators are not going to take action themselves, I don't think the spam will go down anytime soon.
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November 19, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
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I must admit, I have also lost some motivation to help new users in the beginners section. After you take your time to formulate an answer (could take 5-10 min), then is it just rewritten in 10 different ways within an hour. I try do it sometimes anyway since it is important for our community to help newbies. I can imagine when signatures managers review a users posting, he just see a long list of "good quality" post that in reality is totally plagiarized. Such a shame Sad

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November 19, 2015, 08:43:56 PM
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Could admin host a spamopolis thread into which sig spammers can post their uninteresting retweets and hopefully get paid per post by their sig sponsor.
Could admin count a spamopolis post differently to the counting of interesting posts so that you don't get to be a hero forum member by being the self-declared prince of spamopolis?
Should admin (and perhaps a few invited thread moderators) be equipped with a "send this reply to spamopolis" button (and could that also decrement the replies counter) ?
Should "the going rate" for sig sponsors be automatically computed, and a spamopolis balance be computed for each spammer such that their account is barred from making more comments and replies until they have paid to positive a bitcoin balance to this site?  That way, the cost and hassle of hosting a spamopolis can be paid for by a levy, of say 20% of "the going rate", paid by spammy members for permission to post in spamopolis.  This could be done with near nil effect on the rest of the forum other than one extra chore for moderators.

In the event that the proposed spamopolis thread makes a profit for the forum, I propose that it be spent on an AI project of some description with one or more reputable university computer science department(s).  The first AI task would be to create a sig spam recognition bot which maintains a list of paid sig spams as well as recognising them, classifying the unique information content of accompanying posts, and possibly sending the worst ones to spamopolis.

The only people who won't like this, I suspect, will be marketing managers who think that pay per post sig spam is great and their lackeys who spread it all over everywhere.

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November 20, 2015, 03:59:58 AM
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Ok, so let's make this thread a list of lending scammers because there are a lot of them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=351602 (90% of his posts are on the lending section) You would think this guy takes a lot of loans but NO, most of his posts are totally worthless, judge by yourself.



You already wrote this in your thread (topic) why re-writing again in  the same topic ?
Beware ! You are exposing others as spammers but if u do like that you would expose yourself as spammer. Lol )))
Donot rewrite the same thing. Keep it in mind ))
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November 20, 2015, 09:43:18 AM
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Ok, so let's make this thread a list of lending scammers because there are a lot of them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=351602 (90% of his posts are on the lending section) You would think this guy takes a lot of loans but NO, most of his posts are totally worthless, judge by yourself.



You already wrote this in your thread (topic) why re-writing again in  the same topic ?
Beware ! You are exposing others as spammers but if u do like that you would expose yourself as spammer. Lol )))
Donot rewrite the same thing. Keep it in mind ))

Please this post is to expose spammers, keep it that way, dont post off-topic stuff. Anything you want to say to me you can use PM's next time.
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November 21, 2015, 08:01:18 AM
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I think not only on the lending section, also on the digital goods and auctions sections. There's a lot of people posting nonsense post asking for account details even though they are really not interested. They keep on saying the "price is high", " is signed message available", "reduce starting bid bla bla", " what's the potential activity" , "what's the post quality" , etc. That's why when I sell an account, I always make a self moderated thread, too bad I can't do it on the auctions section.

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November 21, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
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I think not only on the lending section, also on the digital goods and auctions sections. There's a lot of people posting nonsense post asking for account details even though they are really not interested. They keep on saying the "price is high", " is signed message available", "reduce starting bid bla bla", " what's the potential activity" , "what's the post quality" , etc. That's why when I sell an account, I always make a self moderated thread, too bad I can't do it on the auctions section.

Yes, it's true that on digital goods and auctions that happens too, the problem is that sometimes they might be genuinely interested in the specific thing that is being sold. We would have to consider spammers only the ones who mostly post on those sections and even those could be legit buyers. It's harder to decide who is a spammer there.

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November 21, 2015, 11:26:45 AM
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There needs to be more regulation to sig campaigns. I am sick of the spammers as well as being attacked myself for having a sig. I think that their campaign managers should remove them from the campaign and if they keep it up and join another campaign they should be outright banned. I try to contribute and yes, I myself am tired of these no-talent spammers. At least I am working on my coding portfolio.

Signatures? How about learning a skill... I don't care either way. Everybody has to make a living somehow.
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November 21, 2015, 11:30:25 AM
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I think not only on the lending section, also on the digital goods and auctions sections. There's a lot of people posting nonsense post asking for account details even though they are really not interested. They keep on saying the "price is high", " is signed message available", "reduce starting bid bla bla", " what's the potential activity" , "what's the post quality" , etc. That's why when I sell an account, I always make a self moderated thread, too bad I can't do it on the auctions section.

Yes, it's true that on digital goods and auctions that happens too, the problem is that sometimes they might be genuinely interested in the specific thing that is being sold. We would have to consider spammers only the ones who mostly post on those sections and even those could be legit buyers. It's harder to decide who is a spammer there.

Yeah its hard to say who's spamming or not, that's why I didn't mentioned any username. But personally, I can say who's really interested or not and its annoying whenever I saw someone posting shit and I know he/she wasn't really interested on some of my sales.

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November 21, 2015, 11:50:42 AM
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There needs to be more regulation to sig campaigns. I am sick of the spammers as well as being attacked myself for having a sig. I think that their campaign managers should remove them from the campaign and if they keep it up and join another campaign they should be outright banned. I try to contribute and yes, I myself am tired of these no-talent spammers. At least I am working on my coding portfolio.
It is the campaign mangers' job to spot spammers and identify non constructive comments. The sig campaign is becoming strict now like posts not being courted if they are made on off topic, local language, invested base game etc, minimums 80 characters required, being constructive etc. Every member has the duty to make our community clean.
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November 21, 2015, 03:51:18 PM
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The lending section is a complete and utter farce. The lenders demand 120%+ collateral and absolutely obscene interest rates. Either you loan with reasonable security and reasonable rates, OR you take on high risk loans with high interest. You can't have it both ways......they want no risk and super high interest. That would get you thrown in jail in most countries............and it is giving the forum a huge black eye. Loan sharks and sig spammers are taking crypto into the dreary depths far below where any pawnshop or normal banker would dare tread. IMHO the loan section should simply be closed since people are unwilling to moderate it.
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November 21, 2015, 04:23:21 PM
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The lending section is a complete and utter farce. The lenders demand 120%+ collateral and absolutely obscene interest rates. Either you loan with reasonable security and reasonable rates, OR you take on high risk loans with high interest. You can't have it both ways......they want no risk and super high interest. That would get you thrown in jail in most countries............and it is giving the forum a huge black eye. Loan sharks and sig spammers are taking crypto into the dreary depths far below where any pawnshop or normal banker would dare tread. IMHO the loan section should simply be closed since people are unwilling to moderate it.

Well here is the thing, real life loans are much much bigger than the loans here. You have 0.01 BTC loans and even less, of course they will ask for a huge interest otherwise they win nothing in return. It doesn't really matter since 99% of the loans here are either a scam or for gambling purposes. It should be indeed moderated way more than it is now.

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November 24, 2015, 06:58:37 AM
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Reminding people that spamming by definition is posting the same exact post over and over.

Some people incorrectly detect spam. (Not saying you necessarily have, just because I didn't see the link).
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Reminding people that spamming by definition is posting the same exact post over and over.

Some people incorrectly detect spam. (Not saying you necessarily have, just because I didn't see the link).
Incorrect. There are many definitions of spam and people can not agree on a single one (let's not start this debate). People usually accept it without asking for a definition of what it is; here is one: "irrelevant or unsolicited messages sent over the Internet, typically to large numbers of users, for the purposes of advertising, phishing, spreading malware, etc." . In this case (the forum) just making irrelevant, low quality, rephrased/etc. posts is considered spam here.

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Reminding people that spamming by definition is posting the same exact post over and over.

Some people incorrectly detect spam. (Not saying you necessarily have, just because I didn't see the link).
Incorrect. There are many definitions of spam and people can not agree on a single one (let's not start this debate). People usually accept it without asking for a definition of what it is; here is one: "irrelevant or unsolicited messages sent over the Internet, typically to large numbers of users, for the purposes of advertising, phishing, spreading malware, etc." . In this case (the forum) just making irrelevant, low quality, rephrased/etc. posts is considered spam here.
Did you seem to be right. But here there are so signature campaign can not stop spam. Although many articles have content suggestions but can it also for the purpose of spamming.
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Did you seem to be right. But here there are so signature campaign can not stop spam. Although many articles have content suggestions but can it also for the purpose of spamming.
First off ask someone who speaks your language and speaks english better than you to translate. Second, I think you're saying that there are many signature campaigns , which in turn means more sig participants, which means more spam posts. Although you may be right, there are no clear steps on how to deal with spam campaigns, most are suggestions which can be gotten over easily and some are controversial and might harm forum itself: less traffic/ad revenues etc.
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Did you seem to be right. But here there are so signature campaign can not stop spam. Although many articles have content suggestions but can it also for the purpose of spamming.
First off ask someone who speaks your language and speaks english better than you to translate. Second, I think you're saying that there are many signature campaigns , which in turn means more sig participants, which means more spam posts. Although you may be right, there are no clear steps on how to deal with spam campaigns, most are suggestions which can be gotten over easily and some are controversial and might harm forum itself: less traffic/ad revenues etc.
Sorry for the english is not my native language. Signature campaign is what motivates many people post. Right ?
They can write the article not to ourselves. Although it seems as constructive.
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