Admin- aren't you the one who make rules,need your response

[Vod]

most of the time they follow others blindly
actually they don't have their own opinions,they just copy others

I don't think that is a nice thing to say.   

I took a stand against Microsoft key scammers against public opinion.  I received a lot of slack because of it.

I'm certainly not a puppet that follows the will of others. 

[hilariousandco]

It's silly and counter-productive leaving negatives for this. Doesn't do anything to stop it and all you're doing is making people look unnecessarily bad and inevitably forcing them to create new accounts to sell from (and ironically are more likely to scam from those accounts seeing as they're throwaways).

You might consider stopping the account farming.  Then he/she might remove the negative trust...  

Why should he? It's not against the rules and shouldn't be forced to stop just because Jonald doesn't like it. Jonald should just remove the feedback unless he is now willing to be the account sales police and be consistent in leaving anyone negative feedback who has or is selling accounts. Going by the feedback he has left on op he also needs to tag shorena, zazarb, Outlander, laosai, AccountTrader, knightdk, FruitsBasket and the dozens of other members that are selling accounts in Digital Goods or Auctions every day.

[Lutpin]

I don't think that is a nice thing to say.   
I took a stand against Microsoft key scammers against public opinion.  I received a lot of slack because of it.
I'm certainly not a puppet that follows the will of others. 

Maybe you're the puppet-master in neotox's little illusory world.
I also strongly disagree with him.

[mixan]

forum allowed buying/selling accounts but still DT guy left me negative
so only thing we can expect from most DT guys are misuse of their power ,nothing else.they will support the guy from their family(from DT) not other normal users,no matter if the DT guy is wrong.as you can see here by most DT users

DT =/ forum.
And "only thing we can expect from most DT guys" is to give feedback according to their opinion.
They support whoever they think is right, and thats good this way.

and they change their opinions after reading other
if one say its wrong then they all will say its wrong,if someone say its right they will say its right
most of the time they follow others blindly
actually they don't have their own opinions,they just copy others

This is inline with the way most employees in the workforce are. Their actions are dictated by others that they follow. None of them want to get out of line. They will only conform if the one in charge tells them to modify their actions/behavior.
I see his comments as account farming. But you aren't doing that, your selling. Maybe this can be your line of your defense. That red mark does not look good at all on your profile for the line of work that you do.

[Mitchell]

actually they don't have their own opinions,they just copy others

If you want to piss off others, this is the way to go.

[Neotox]

Its time for a final decision if forum allow buying/selling accounts or not
its time to confirm who is right admin or some guys on DT who think they are supreme

[mixan]

It's silly and counter-productive leaving negatives for this. Doesn't do anything to stop it and all you're doing is making people look unnecessarily bad and inevitably forcing them to create new accounts to sell from (and ironically are more likely to scam from those accounts seeing as they're throwaways).

You might consider stopping the account farming.  Then he/she might remove the negative trust...  

Why should he? It's not against the rules and shouldn't be forced to stop just because Jonald doesn't like it. Jonald should just remove the feedback unless he is now willing to be the account sales police and be consistent in leaving anyone negative feedback who has or is selling accounts. Going by the feedback he has left on op he also needs to tag shorena, zazarb, Outlander, laosai, AccountTrader, knightdk, FruitsBasket and the dozens of other members that are selling accounts in Digital Goods or Auctions every day.

That is a long list of accusations and they will undoubtedly have a fight to pick with the accuser.
This will get ugly really fast if this is not resolved right now by a forum administrator. Not necessary Theymos but BadBear should make their presence felt in this discussion.

[shorena]

For the lazy, OP is talking about jonald_fyookball[1] set on DT level 2 by BadBear

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=261027

why I not see his comment?(only in untrusted feedbacks), my trust setting- 2 depth, without exclusion

Probably because of one of the 62 people on your trust list.

Its time for a final decision if forum allow buying/selling accounts or not
its time to confirm who is right admin or some guys on DT who think they are supreme

I personally want to hear the other side of the story. Give them some time, I dont think they even know the thread exists yet.

[Gildarts]

It's silly and counter-productive leaving negatives for this. Doesn't do anything to stop it and all you're doing is making people look unnecessarily bad and inevitably forcing them to create new accounts to sell from (and ironically are more likely to scam from those accounts seeing as they're throwaways).

You might consider stopping the account farming.  Then he/she might remove the negative trust...  

Why should he? It's not against the rules and shouldn't be forced to stop just because Jonald doesn't like it. Jonald should just remove the feedback unless he is now willing to be the account sales police and be consistent in leaving anyone negative feedback who has or is selling accounts. Going by the feedback he has left on op he also needs to tag shorena, zazarb, Outlander, laosai, AccountTrader, knightdk, FruitsBasket and the dozens of other members that are selling accounts in Digital Goods or Auctions every day.

+1

i doubt he will ever press the red button on shorens profile. i mean he is not that brave.

[yahoo62278]

It's silly and counter-productive leaving negatives for this. Doesn't do anything to stop it and all you're doing is making people look unnecessarily bad and inevitably forcing them to create new accounts to sell from (and ironically are more likely to scam from those accounts seeing as they're throwaways).

You might consider stopping the account farming.  Then he/she might remove the negative trust...  

Why should he? It's not against the rules and shouldn't be forced to stop just because Jonald doesn't like it. Jonald should just remove the feedback unless he is now willing to be the account sales police and be consistent in leaving anyone negative feedback who has or is selling accounts. Going by the feedback he has left on op he also needs to tag shorena, zazarb, Outlander, laosai, AccountTrader, knightdk, FruitsBasket and the dozens of other members that are selling accounts in Digital Goods or Auctions every day.

Blatant account farming. I think this is bad for the bitcoin forum, is spammy, contributes to scamming. I will leave negative trust for anyone blatantly selling accounts.

According to the feedback left on Neotox acct he is gonna do just that. Im assuming he will be patrolling the auctions and digital goods sections leaving feedback for all

[Amadues]

It's silly and counter-productive leaving negatives for this. Doesn't do anything to stop it and all you're doing is making people look unnecessarily bad and inevitably forcing them to create new accounts to sell from (and ironically are more likely to scam from those accounts seeing as they're throwaways).

You might consider stopping the account farming.  Then he/she might remove the negative trust...  

Why should he? It's not against the rules and shouldn't be forced to stop just because Jonald doesn't like it. Jonald should just remove the feedback unless he is now willing to be the account sales police and be consistent in leaving anyone negative feedback who has or is selling accounts. Going by the feedback he has left on op he also needs to tag shorena, zazarb, Outlander, laosai, AccountTrader, knightdk, FruitsBasket and the dozens of other members that are selling accounts in Digital Goods or Auctions every day.

Blatant account farming. I think this is bad for the bitcoin forum, is spammy, contributes to scamming. I will leave negative trust for anyone blatantly selling accounts.

According to the feedback left on Neotox acct he is gonna do just that. Im assuming he will be patrolling the auctions and digital goods sections leaving feedback for all

change the rule! everyday there a lot of auction or buy it now of new account, from junior to hero member !
If OP get negative trust, there is the needing to change some rule in the forum!

but I think that there is no needing to change this rule, because every one can farm his accounts without problems.

[Neotox]

It's silly and counter-productive leaving negatives for this. Doesn't do anything to stop it and all you're doing is making people look unnecessarily bad and inevitably forcing them to create new accounts to sell from (and ironically are more likely to scam from those accounts seeing as they're throwaways).

You might consider stopping the account farming.  Then he/she might remove the negative trust...  

Why should he? It's not against the rules and shouldn't be forced to stop just because Jonald doesn't like it. Jonald should just remove the feedback unless he is now willing to be the account sales police and be consistent in leaving anyone negative feedback who has or is selling accounts. Going by the feedback he has left on op he also needs to tag shorena, zazarb, Outlander, laosai, AccountTrader, knightdk, FruitsBasket and the dozens of other members that are selling accounts in Digital Goods or Auctions every day.

+1

i doubt he will ever press the red button on shorens profile. i mean he is not that brave.

yes he is not brave to do this
even shorena is not brave that he just changed his positive feedback on my profile to neutral because of fear

[GannickusX]

It's silly and counter-productive leaving negatives for this. Doesn't do anything to stop it and all you're doing is making people look unnecessarily bad and inevitably forcing them to create new accounts to sell from (and ironically are more likely to scam from those accounts seeing as they're throwaways).

You might consider stopping the account farming.  Then he/she might remove the negative trust...  

Why should he? It's not against the rules and shouldn't be forced to stop just because Jonald doesn't like it. Jonald should just remove the feedback unless he is now willing to be the account sales police and be consistent in leaving anyone negative feedback who has or is selling accounts. Going by the feedback he has left on op he also needs to tag shorena, zazarb, Outlander, laosai, AccountTrader, knightdk, FruitsBasket and the dozens of other members that are selling accounts in Digital Goods or Auctions every day.

+1

i doubt he will ever press the red button on shorens profile. i mean he is not that brave.

Maybe you guys didnt read exactly what vod said. ''Then he/she might remove the negative trust...  '' Did you skip this part?

By the way OP, if you complain about your red trust, you should also be complaining about your green trust: ''I've escrowed several account trades for Neotox now. Transactions always smooth and painless. Good trader''

So because someone escrowed something for you, you get green trust? I don't see how that makes you trustable, so if you want your red trust removed you should also ask for the green trust to be removed.

[zazarb]

For the lazy, OP is talking about jonald_fyookball[1] set on DT level 2 by BadBear

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=261027

why I not see his comment?(only in untrusted feedbacks), my trust setting- 2 depth, without exclusion

don't worry you are selling accounts too so you may see a comment on yours profile soon by him

I'm not worried (It would be interesting to see what the proposal should he me, where to put them- hanging on the wall?)

strange that the recently day community very unanimously "threw" some member from DT just for positive feedback left for successfully trade, but not "enough size", currently situation opposite.

[Neotox]

I have no problem even if they remove whole trust system from forum because its better to have no such system then giving ipower to the guys who misuse them against forum rules

giving power to such users is like giving loaded gun to monkey, if someone doesn't have ability and take action emotionally then its same thing
if you get power you get responsibility too, but if if after getting power someone think they can do anything then its worst then giving gun to monkey

[shorena]

-snip-
yes he is not brave to do this
even shorena is not brave that he just changed his positive feedback on my profile to neutral because of fear

See, you are overreacting and jumping to conclusions without considering what my actual reasons are. Clam down. Take a walk, boil a tee, smoke, whatever, but you are not thinking clearly right now because you see your business attacked. I understand that, but its not helping you.

I changed my rating for the escrow to neutral because I never risked anything so it should not be positive. I also gave a neutral rating for a ~0.7 BTC escrow deal. I think its not fitting for the escrow to hand out positive ratings for a single deal. See e.g. SebastianJu's rating on your profile. Considering that I dont do escrow often and not even have a thread for it, I think its only natural that Im still working out how to rate these deals.

I think the rating should be removed and I will probably leave a counter rating if there are no convincing arguments by jonald. Now lets behave like grown ups and wait for a statement from jonald.

[PCos]

I think if someone will have a neg trust even he want to sell an account , lending sectiont on BTCtalk will be close shortly!

I appreciate that Neotox and  a little (really little) group of user  sells  account with their own account .

[Vod]

I think if someone will have a neg trust even he want to sell an account , lending sectiont on BTCtalk will be close shortly!

I appreciate that Neotox and  a little (really little) group of user that sells  account with their own account ,

There was a time when the lending section dealt with valid collateral - not other accounts.

[mixan]

It's silly and counter-productive leaving negatives for this. Doesn't do anything to stop it and all you're doing is making people look unnecessarily bad and inevitably forcing them to create new accounts to sell from (and ironically are more likely to scam from those accounts seeing as they're throwaways).

You might consider stopping the account farming.  Then he/she might remove the negative trust...  

Why should he? It's not against the rules and shouldn't be forced to stop just because Jonald doesn't like it. Jonald should just remove the feedback unless he is now willing to be the account sales police and be consistent in leaving anyone negative feedback who has or is selling accounts. Going by the feedback he has left on op he also needs to tag shorena, zazarb, Outlander, laosai, AccountTrader, knightdk, FruitsBasket and the dozens of other members that are selling accounts in Digital Goods or Auctions every day.

Blatant account farming. I think this is bad for the bitcoin forum, is spammy, contributes to scamming. I will leave negative trust for anyone blatantly selling accounts.

According to the feedback left on Neotox acct he is gonna do just that. Im assuming he will be patrolling the auctions and digital goods sections leaving feedback for all

change the rule! everyday there a lot of auction or buy it now of new account, from junior to hero member !
If OP get negative trust, there is the needing to change some rule in the forum!

but I think that there is no needing to change this rule, because every one can farm his accounts without problems.

There is a difference between these two subjects here.
Farming and selling. Neotox is selling accounts not making them for the stake of selling them. I see farming as the main reasoning behind the red trust left. That in itself is bad for the forum, but selling accounts should not be.
This fine line of whoring out accounts should be addressed here, right here right now!

[Vod]

This fine line of whoring out accounts should be addressed here, right here right now!

 

Let's see if it happens.   I'll then ask the same of the sale of hacked MS accounts. 

Other people I'm sure will have other issues they want addressed.