Admin- aren't you the one who make rules,need your response

[jonald_fyookball]

~snip

We can't stop dishonesty, we can only discourage it.

Are you saying you believe I should remove the negative trust
and just let the account farmers like Neotox continue on their
merry way? 

[BestWebCreator]

Wow, this is just getting bad. Neotox and zazarb have neg trust of jonald.
Account selling is legal and should not deserve negative trust. Didn't you read the quote from Theymos?

It is prety mean to give a good guy like neotox and zazarb a negative trust while they did not deserve it.
I hope you will see what u are doing jonald... Abusing the trust!

[erikalui]

The person who sent a negative trust was not justified as selling accounts has been taking place for years now but what about people sending positive trust to negate the trust? Sorry but hilariousandco and EcuaMobi sending trust ratings without any reason doesn't make them look good either. It's misusing the trust system for personal reasons rather than making the person look trustworthy.

[BestWebCreator]

The person who sent a negative trust was not justified as selling accounts has been taking place for years now but what about people sending positive trust to negate the trust? Sorry but hilariousandco and EcuaMobi sending trust ratings without any reason doesn't make them look good either. It's misusing the trust system for personal reasons rather than making the person look trustworthy.

No, that is wrong what you say. Jonald is abusing the trust by giving everyone that is/was trusted and seelling accounts  a negative trust.
So we think that it is not fair and give them back their real trust rating. I left Neotox and Zazarb positive trust and will remove those perticular trust when jonald realises that he is abusing the trust system.

[EcuaMobi]

The person who sent a negative trust was not justified as selling accounts has been taking place for years now but what about people sending positive trust to negate the trust? Sorry but hilariousandco and EcuaMobi sending trust ratings without any reason doesn't make them look good either. It's misusing the trust system for personal reasons rather than making the person look trustworthy.

That positive feedback is a 'counter' and of course I'll remove it if the referenced negative one is removed or stops being DT. Read this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174567.msg12367824#msg12367824

My feedback is not a testimony of OP's trustworthiness,  it's just to counteract the negative one as described.

[erikalui]

The person who sent a negative trust was not justified as selling accounts has been taking place for years now but what about people sending positive trust to negate the trust? Sorry but hilariousandco and EcuaMobi sending trust ratings without any reason doesn't make them look good either. It's misusing the trust system for personal reasons rather than making the person look trustworthy.

No, that is wrong what you say. Jonald is abusing the trust by giving everyone that is/was trusted and seelling accounts  a negative trust.
So we think that it is not fair and give them back their real trust rating. I left Neotox and Zazarb positive trust and will remove those perticular trust when jonald realises that he is abusing the trust system.

That's true but the forum is not a friends book/facebook where people send positive trust for the mistake of others. If they genuinely trust the OP, it's different. Would they have given the feedback if this was not the case?

I view the trust system as a medium of getting to know whether a person is trustworthy or not. Now I will see ratings like "I like this person, I love this person, I don't agree with the negative ratings..." which is misusing the trust system.

That positive feedback is a 'counter' and of course I'll remove it if the referenced negative one is removed or stops being DT. Read this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174567.msg12367824#msg12367824

My feedback is not a testimony of OP's trustworthiness,  it's just to counteract the negative one as described.

Oh ok. Thanks for the clarification

[jonald_fyookball]

I don't have a problem with their countertrust.  Thats the trust system working as its intended,
and I'm glad they left it because now those people won't have a red mark if the community
thinks they shouldn't.  Great!  Everyone should be happy.  

I don't think I'm abusing the trust system.

It's my opinion still that account farming is untrustworthy behavior, is bad for the forum, and
should be discouraged.  I'm sticking to my principles and expressing that opinion.  

[BestWebCreator]

Still I think that you could consider to change it to at least a neutral trust.

Everyone has got an other view on how trust should be used.

Trust: "Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal. For example, if you do a currency trade where the other person sends first, your feedback for them would have 0 risked BTC and their feedback for you would have risked BTC equal to the BTC value of the trade."

Did they steal anything???

[mexxer-2]

That's true but the forum is not a friends book/facebook where people send positive trust for the mistake of others. If they genuinely trust the OP, it's different. Would they have given the feedback if this was not the case?

I view the trust system as a medium of getting to know whether a person is trustworthy or not. Now I will see ratings like "I like this person, I love this person, I don't agree with the negative ratings..." which is misusing the trust system.

Its to counter the negative jonald has given, and anyone having a look at their trust ratings can see that the positive trust was given to counter the negative. This is IIRC allowed by theymos.

[BestWebCreator]

@jonald, would you give me negative trust if/when I would sell/auction 1 forum account?
I don't think 2 accounts is farming, but still I want to know how you think about such situations.

[target]

The system should t least be changed to which only the users involved in a transaction can give feedback ratings.
So if I bought an account from the OP, I'm the only who has the right to give feedback whether it be positive or not for which the reference shall also be the transaction ID/thread.

[erikalui]

I don't have a problem with their countertrust.  Thats the trust system working as its intended,
and I'm glad they left it because now those people won't have a red mark if the community
thinks they shouldn't.  Great!  Everyone should be happy. 

I don't think I'm abusing the trust system.

It's my opinion still that account farming is untrustworthy behavior, is bad for the forum, and
should be discouraged.  I'm sticking to my principles and expressing that opinion.   

I too am against selling/buying/auctioning accounts and even people using their account as a collateral. However, I don't think it would stop the sales of accounts as it has been a practice for years. It is the admin who has allowed people to farm accounts by users being allowed to have more than 1 account per IP. According to your trust feedback, admin also deserves a negative rating?

[jonald_fyookball]

@jonald, would you give me negative trust if/when I would sell/auction 1 forum account?
I don't think 2 accounts is farming, but still I want to know how you think about such situations.

I guess 1 or 2 accounts probably isn't farming.  But having an ongoing thread selling multiple various accounts clearly is.

Apparently my opinion isnt that popular here... although several people PM'd me expressing
they also dont like the account farmers.

I'm kind of surprised anyone supports it, but hey its your forum.  I'm just one person.  I gave my opinion.
You can agree or disagree.

[shorena]

~snip

We can't stop dishonesty, we can only discourage it.

Are you saying you believe I should remove the negative trust
and just let the account farmers like Neotox continue on their
merry way? 

Yes, but I also dont think they (Neotox at least) are farming the accounts. As I recently did escrow in one of Neotox's account trades, it was as Quickseller says. Someone leaving the forum looking for some coins. They sell the account for cheaps to Neotox and they resell it for more. Its a simple principle. A dedicated (and well known) seller has more time (and possibly a higher reputation) and thus can achieve higher prices. The same is probably true for those that mainly lend coins, but take an account as collateral. They dont want the account, they dont want to haggle over a few satoshi, they just want to get their coins back. I was in this position myself. I auctioned the account and I see it now form time to time posting in a campaign. IMHO the posts are fine.

I don't have a problem with their countertrust.  Thats the trust system working as its intended,
and I'm glad they left it because now those people won't have a red mark if the community
thinks they shouldn't.  Great!  Everyone should be happy.  

I don't think I'm abusing the trust system.

It's my opinion still that account farming is untrustworthy behavior, is bad for the forum, and
should be discouraged.  I'm sticking to my principles and expressing that opinion.  

I dont think you are abusing the system either, but I dont think trust should be given to win an argument either.

[shorena]

@jonald, would you give me negative trust if/when I would sell/auction 1 forum account?
I don't think 2 accounts is farming, but still I want to know how you think about such situations.

I guess 1 or 2 accounts probably isn't farming.  But having an ongoing thread selling multiple various accounts clearly is.

Apparently my opinion isnt that popular here... although several people PM'd me expressing
they also dont like the account farmers.

I'm kind of surprised anyone supports it, but hey its your forum.  I'm just one person.  I gave my opinion.
You can agree or disagree.

Well you are on DT, your opinion carries weight if you attach it to a rating. I dont like farming accounts either or rather I dont like accounts that are farmed with spam and as you said this is your real problem. Its not actually that accounts are traded or those trading the accounts. Its the spam. Or did I get that wrong?

-- Yes, I post two in a row, because this thread moves faster than me.

[zazarb]

I don't have a problem with their countertrust.  Thats the trust system working as its intended,
and I'm glad they left it because now those people won't have a red mark if the community
thinks they shouldn't.  Great!  Everyone should be happy.  

I don't think I'm abusing the trust system.

It's my opinion still that account farming is untrustworthy behavior, is bad for the forum, and
should be discouraged.  I'm sticking to my principles and expressing that opinion.  

I'll put the question publicly- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1263526.msg13075456#msg13075456
have nothing to say?

[jonald_fyookball]

I don't have a problem with their countertrust.  Thats the trust system working as its intended,
and I'm glad they left it because now those people won't have a red mark if the community
thinks they shouldn't.  Great!  Everyone should be happy.  

I don't think I'm abusing the trust system.

It's my opinion still that account farming is untrustworthy behavior, is bad for the forum, and
should be discouraged.  I'm sticking to my principles and expressing that opinion.  

I'll put the question publicly- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1263526.msg13075456#msg13075456
have nothing to say?

You said:

I selling several bitcointalk accounts. From F.Member to Hero! Choose the best one for you !

So if you didn't farm them, where did you get them from?  Bought them?  Can you show an example?

[Lutpin]

You said:

I selling several bitcointalk accounts. From F.Member to Hero! Choose the best one for you !

So if you didn't farm them, where did you get them from?  Bought them?  Can you show an example?

Judging from

Code:

Get LOAN 24/7 https://goo.gl/8WMW6n

I'd say those are collaterals from defaulted loans.

Trust: "Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal. For example, if you do a currency trade where the other person sends first, your feedback for them would have 0 risked BTC and their feedback for you would have risked BTC equal to the BTC value of the trade."

Did they steal anything???

Did he enter any amount on that field? It says 0 to me.

The system should t least be changed to which only the users involved in a transaction can give feedback ratings.
So if I bought an account from the OP, I'm the only who has the right to give feedback whether it be positive or not for which the reference shall also be the transaction ID/thread.

So I need to be actually scammed by an obvious scam attemp/known scammer in order to leave negative feedback to him and warn others? Great idea.

[mexxer-2]

You said:

I selling several bitcointalk accounts. From F.Member to Hero! Choose the best one for you !

So if you didn't farm them, where did you get them from?  Bought them?  Can you show an example?

He is getting them from the loan service that he provides, in which he also accepts bitcointalk accounts as collateral.
Edit: Damn you lutpin, you're too fast

[jonald_fyookball]

i removed from zazarb.

im outta here for the day.  holiday family time.

be well everyone.