Scammer Tag: Gineta

[Kelticfox]

[Deleted]

[BCB]

I saw Gineta pop up in irc and he was looking a little sketch.  Keep us posted.

[BCB]

tldr

are you a scammer?

[AndrewBUD]

I don't understand most things that you say.

[greyhawk]

I just want whatever crack cocaine he's doing.

[AndrewBUD]

I just want whatever crack cocaine he's doing.

LOL.... Must be full of speed.... can't even take a minute to use spell check

[Tomatocage]

I wonder how long before he requests a loan...

[AndrewBUD]

I wonder how long before he requests a loan...

Probably 24-48hrs... or less

[AndrewBUD]

I wonder how long before he requests a loan...

Already done that...

Hence the thread. Asked for a loan, supplied fake ID when asked for by Inbr3d.

Oh I thought he was trying to sell coins to a puppet account....

[BCB]

but this is an IRC issue no?

Why are you posting here.

Don't you have a WOT.

Deal with it on IRC.

[AndrewBUD]

That's not fair ^.. It's more or less someone asking for help in an area that is more widely used..  It's still a "community" as a whole is it not?

[gineta]

BCB is a IRC issue and NOT SELL, BUY OR SCAM is MAKE

But this 2 guys use the forum for TARGET ME and make discredit the moderator here also not care and delete all like need to be the normal

 

but this is an IRC issue no?

Why are you posting here.

Don't you have a WOT.

Deal with it on IRC.

[jasinlee]

I BCB belief make have one seen the bitcoin upload chat. We saw read chat otc rating.


(try reading that!)

[jwzguy]

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[repentance]

I just want whatever crack cocaine he's doing.

I've seen more coherent posts from people on research chemical benders.

[AndrewBUD]

I just want whatever crack cocaine he's doing.

I've seen more coherent posts from people on research chemical benders.

Could probably get by a lot more clear if he used google translate.

[repentance]

Could probably get by a lot more clear if he used google translate.

Yep.  Google translate's not perfect but it's usually good enough to convey basic meaning.

[fbastage]

gineta has given ratings to various people in the WOT, apparently trying to pad his credentials/credibility by claiming to have traded with them

http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=gineta&sign=ANY&type=SENT

17553    gineta    danieldaniel    142    2012-11-18 17:30:46    1    small fees
17554    gineta    rothschild    7    2012-11-18 18:07:46    1    thanks
17555    gineta    Kelticfox    8    2012-11-18 17:49:20    1    good transaction
17528    gineta    adamjgmiller    10    2012-11-18 17:39:07    5    very trusted user good

danieldaniel, rothschild, and Kelticfox have sworn that they haven't traded with him

[16:58] <ReliableSource> he has you plussed. did you trade with him?
...
[16:59] <Kelticfox> I didnt
[16:59] <ReliableSource> http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=gineta&sign=ANY&type=SENT
[16:59] <Kelticfox> I wouldnt touch him with your bargepole let alone mine

[17:01] <rothschild> supplied fake IDr
[17:01] <rothschild> rofl
...
[17:01] <ReliableSource> did you trade with him, rothschild?
[17:01] <rothschild> naw
[17:01] <Kelticfox> Chump doctored his Driving License with a fake 1st name, but forgot to change the signature
[17:02] <rothschild> i don't know why that made me laugh but it did
[17:02] <ReliableSource> he says you did
...
[17:02] <rothschild> lol he does? where?
[17:02] <ReliableSource> read above
[17:02] <+ElevatedDownfall> SELLING 2.5 btc for PPUSD -- $30.34
[17:02] <rothschild> he definitely didn't
[17:02] <rothschild> which is why i haven't rated him
[17:03] <rothschild> he messaged me about a trade yesterday if i recall

[17:03] <ReliableSource> danieldaniel: did you trade with gineta?
[17:03] <+ElevatedDownfall> buy
[17:03] <Kelticfox> He wanted to pay me £10 on Tuesday via Bank Transfer
[17:03] <+ElevatedDownfall> my btc
[17:03] <WhiteBoyRik> looking to trade 40 BTC for a $400 moneypak...anyone able to do this?
[17:03] <ReliableSource> looks like he's padding his ratings so he can pull bigger scams
[17:03] <danieldaniel> ReliableSource: Not really, but he asked for a rating because he sent me .00001 btc
[17:04] <rothschild> lol
[17:04] <danieldaniel> I didn't do it

[repentance]

gineta has given ratings to various people in the WOT, apparently trying to pad his credentials/credibility by claiming to have traded with them

http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=gineta&sign=ANY&type=SENT

17553    gineta    danieldaniel    142    2012-11-18 17:30:46    1    small fees
17554    gineta    rothschild    7    2012-11-18 18:07:46    1    thanks
17555    gineta    Kelticfox    8    2012-11-18 17:49:20    1    good transaction
17528    gineta    adamjgmiller    10    2012-11-18 17:39:07    5    very trusted user good

Am I reading that right?  Did he rate them all on the same day within 10 minutes?

[ab8989]

There is a pattern here, that discussions that could perhaps lead into some useful information being found, is killed by someone thinking they are helpful and posting some theory that is plausible. However it really would be important to get the actual person in question to write whether his name is Arturo or Jacob.

Especially when questioning about the signature issue. It is only when the person in question replies to clear up the issue, it is when something positive progress happens in the discussion. If somebody else jumps in and offers one plausible theory it serves as a huge negative value to the overall discussion. The reason is that after that plausible theory being written, there is no more such a need for gineta to say what is the actual explanation. The issue now seems "solved", however it really very much still isn't.

This same pattern of helpful bystanders stepping in to clearing up potential important questions has harmed the discussions in so many other threads as well.

[greyhawk]

If it looks like bullshit, smells like bullshit and sounds like bullshit guess what it is? It sure as hell ain't roses.

Is it a goat?

[augustocroppo]

Logically I would say that Gineta's real name is Arturo Miguel Alonso Maldonado (as listed on Companies House).
He signs his signature A.Maldonado and the rest of the alias' are simple restructuring of his names (except Jacob... no idea where that comes from)

What part of the evidence you did not understand?

I have already show that Gineta is an alias used by Jacob Maldonado. There is no further evidence showing any alternative hypothesis. Moreover, he already indicated that in the IRC log:

<gineta> ok send
tell me how much I need to send in pounds
and mail me back you short and long code and you name for the transfer
I go to put in the bank subject Jacob donation

Moreover, where is your evidence? Are you forming your hypothesis with no evidence? That is not acceptable.

You ignored an important question: where he said that he was born in France?

By the way, could you send the scanned identity to my email account, so I could verify that you are not providing false information for this investigation?

[gineta]

The Data Protection Act 1998 contains a number of enforcement mechanisms designed to encourage compliance with the new data protection regime. The Information Commissioner has the power to investigate complaints from aggrieved individuals and to require those who process personal information to respond to his enquiries. He usually attempts to resolve issues by correspondence, but he can serve enforcement notices demanding compliance with the Act. The Information Commissioner can also issue substantial 'monetary penalty notices' of up to £500,000

The Act also includes penalties for unlawfully obtaining personal data, which includes imprisonment in certain circumstances.


Individuals can also sue for compensation if they have suffered damage and distress as the result of a failure to comply with the Act.

Now Keltiflox I send you a private email in this forum  but you not reply I am not interest in make a worse Christmas to any one but no reply emails no means I stop here.

Now according to my records you live in the street number 45  of Post code starting for MK18. I say because you go to get a certificate letter from me.

No reply to emails not means nothing you start the post and certain violations of the Law of Data protection are already make much when you or your friends are no register in ICO. IS for that I not have obligation to give to you or to any one here any probe. I understand the problem no start with you but you start this post and you have part of responsibility. I feel some people bulling me and cause me distress I offer you a reasonable exit. You never reply.

I go to give you and to any one here to make rectifications before any legal actions is take.
The time due today at 12 PM

[jasinlee]

The Data Protection Act 1998 contains a number of enforcement mechanisms designed to encourage compliance with the new data protection regime. The Information Commissioner has the power to investigate complaints from aggrieved individuals and to require those who process personal information to respond to his enquiries. He usually attempts to resolve issues by correspondence, but he can serve enforcement notices demanding compliance with the Act. The Information Commissioner can also issue substantial 'monetary penalty notices' of up to £500,000

The Act also includes penalties for unlawfully obtaining personal data, which includes imprisonment in certain circumstances.


Individuals can also sue for compensation if they have suffered damage and distress as the result of a failure to comply with the Act.

Now Keltiflox I send you a private email in this forum  but you not reply I am not interest in make a worse Christmas to any one but no reply emails no means I stop here.

Now according to my records you live in the street number 45  of Post code starting for MK18. I say because you go to get a certificate letter from me.

No reply to emails not means nothing you start the post and certain violations of the Law of Data protection are already make much when you or your friends are no register in ICO. IS for that I not have obligation to give to you or to any one here any probe. I understand the problem no start with you but you start this post and you have part of responsibility. I feel some people bulling me and cause me distress I offer you a reasonable exit. You never reply.

I go to give you and to any one here to make rectifications before any legal actions is take.
The time due today at 12 PM

I are engrish very well.

[greyhawk]

Isn't it just Northampton dialect?

[gineta]

Isn't it just Northampton dialect?

The Data Protection Act 1998  contains eight Data Protection
Principles. These state that personal data must be: 
1. processed fairly and lawfully;
2. obtained and only used for specified and lawful purposes;
3. adequate, relevant and not excessive;
4. accurate, and where necessary, kept up to date;
5. kept for no longer than necessary;
6. processed in accordance with the individual’s rights;
7. kept secure;
8. only transferred to countries that offer adequate data protection.

That is good English for you

[greyhawk]

Sounds pretty statist to me. Are you a statist? Your petty government laws don't apply to the free hand of the market.

[gineta]

1. All the information gained was obtained from public domain. Ergo, if you do not secure your information which is then collated then that is a issue with the sites, not here. The ICO would maybe take a stance against companies like Facebook, Companies House, 192.com etc.

The information does not constitute a breach of the Data Protection Act, as it was all gathered from the public domain. Unlawfully obtaining information pertains to computer hacking or data breach. The information was obtained in a lawful internet search, by both myself and AugustoCroppo.

2. I have never refuted where I live. In fact most of my information can be gained from a simple who.is as I own several domains and do freelance design. Simply putting Kelticfox in Google results in a lot of information about me. Congratulations on using Google. If you wish to email me directly, you can do so by emailing jay(at)kelticfox(dot)co(dot)uk.

3. Augusto, as you've seem to want to muddy the water.... I have already stated I will not put Gineta's ID on here. Gineta can do so to prove his innocence should he so wish.

4. Gineta, I haven't responded to your email, because it basically states "Unless you drop the scam accusation, I will report you to the ICO.". I don't respond to attempted blackmail.

5. Gineta, you STILL haven't responded to the information. This is another tactic at being evasive.

I not need to give you any information you already confess you request a ID and you keep a Digital copy of ID . I am no scare of you next mail is send to the ICO and other departments I no go to say you now.
Have a nice No one Blackmail to no one. I say you broke the law and you not understand that is your problem for that is the court. 

[gineta]

3. Augusto, as you've seem to want to muddy the water.... I have already stated I will not put Gineta's ID on here. Gineta can do so to prove his innocence should he so wish.

Gineta does not have to prove any innocence because he is not guilty of any offense. Do you see a scammer tag in Gineta's profile?

I am trying to determine how much consistent is your accusation. Your persistent refusal to provide the evidence necessary means you do not possess the document alleged. I am sorry for you, but I am sure a scammer tag will be not issued for Gineta. Your allegations are not based on reliable evidence.

Look this is a forum. Yes you think I am stupid to make probe or evidence of my identity in public I say to him come here and I show you evidence. But Hi is not interest or is a scare kid. Hi say to me coming regularly here. But hi is scare to look me face to face. Ok if hi no like to be a man we need to go the legal way TRUE O NO TRUE.

Hi no live in Germany hi live near me and hi come regularly to this town. That means his intentions are no clear. Sorry I can't trust him after what hi do.  And now I am interest in JUSTICE . That English work hi not understand. You can start moving people life because you are boring in your home and you need to bulling others to be happy.

I refuse to make any Identity in Public for the only reason in this country there to much scams and people is hurry to get your personal data for open bank accounts or make you a loan with not your knowledge. How you need to understand I need to protect my life. Now if hi come here like a normal person no a bulling man and say Jacob is that you you can probe me. I go to say him yes this is how I am that is the probe and possible we make a hand shake and a coffee if you are not very hurry. ) 

[BCB]

gineta

You shouldn't be asked to make your identity public.  As far as I know you did not scam anyone.  So there is no need to request a scammer tag.  However the concern is that your requests/inquiries on IRC were "suspect."

If you are legitimate try to make a few honest trades to build credibility.  If you are not legitimate or you reputation here is beyond repair you may want to try another forum.

Also it seems your not a native english speaker (Spanish??).  Maybe you could find someone who speaks you language to help you out.  Augusto, I don't know why, but I think you may speak spanish.  Maybe you could converse in Spanish with him.

(psy what do you guys speak over there?? are you in spain or portugel?)


As I understand it the Scam Accusations thread it used AFTER a buyer/seller/borrower does not hold up their end of the deal.  This is a public form to bring the accusation, provide proof and for the accused to answer or to pay back.

Also this occurred on IRC.  Doesn't IRC have a WOT  (web of trust) to address this situation?

Just asking for a little clarity.  Cause right now this thread reminds me of Salem, MA circa 1692  or a recently uncovered Stassi file. 

[gineta]

I explain to augustocroppo in private my reasons and I explain why some people go far away and make very very big mistake.

I am 100% clean with the LAW but after I give my private reasons and I say also come here if you need probe. Not one is interest.

That means this post is only defamatory with the intention of attack me. 

I ask the moderator of this forum this post not need to be here and not scam is involve and not one go to put me a tag for a violation I not make.


But you need to understand I am really very upset people use the forum to attack me or bulling me. I go to give a reasonable time for this become solve or hi take a beer become in his mind and say I go to look you solve the problem and If I am right make one apologize.

But hi look no interest. Why? No idea

gineta

You shouldn't be asked to make your identity public.  As far as I know you did not scam anyone.  So there is no need to request a scammer tag.  However the concern is that your requests/inquiries on IRC were "suspect."

If you are legitimate try to make a few honest trades to build credibility.  If you are not legitimate or you reputation here is beyond repair you may want to try another forum.

Also it seems your not a native english speaker (Spanish??).  Maybe you could find someone who speaks you language to help you out.  Augusto, I don't know why, but I think you may speak spanish.  Maybe you could converse in Spanish with him.

(psy what do you guys speak over there?? are you in spain or portugel?)


As I understand it the Scam Accusations thread it used AFTER a buyer/seller/borrower does not hold up their end of the deal.  This is a public form to bring the accusation, provide proof and for the accused to answer or to pay back.

Also this occurred on IRC.  Doesn't IRC have a WOT  (web of trust) to address this situation?

Just asking for a little clarity.  Cause right now this thread reminds me of Salem, MA circa 1692  or a recently uncovered Stassi file. 

[AndrewBUD]

So the poor guy is who he says he is? Using an alias to make it easier for us white people

[gineta]

So the poor guy is who he says he is? Using an alias to make it easier for us white people

I am whyte  anyway is not a laugh of colour is this people is a nightmare. Uff they are the Catholic Inquisition they say you are the Devil and they want you put fire 

T

[gineta]

So the poor guy is who he says he is? Using an alias to make it easier for us white people

WHAT A WASTE Of TIME

[BCB]

augustocroppo ??

I don't know Gineta and I can't really understand what he's trying to say.  I have no problem doxing a scammer and applying any LEGAL pressure to attempt recovery, however I do find this thread troubling.

What say you.  I don't think Gineta has to explain anything.  He either scammed or he didn't and if he didn't this thread is largely irrelevant . 

[AndrewBUD]

lol yeah.. Must be the language barrier

[gineta]

lol yeah.. Must be the language barrier

Is not only language barrier. Is also become scare . People can use your info for open bank accounts and for make anything bad . Why I go to disclose info in a forum. And this person nothing bad I make him why attack and attack me.

Look if tomorrow some one give me a ID and I no like the ID I say sorry no business and end the question but I not make a war again him.

Hi can possible have other problems hi no say for targeting people is not blood English

[AndrewBUD]

Yeah I understand. (Sorta)



Try Google Translate or another translating program.... It might help make things more clear when posting on the forum and IRC!

[gineta]

Yeah I understand. (Sorta)



Try Google Translate or another translating program.... It might help make things more clear when posting on the forum and IRC!

Yeah anyway hi need to delete all that staff I am not happy hi get a bunch of info and post in a forum. That is not nice.

I go to delete the other POst I put outside here for make good understanding anyway Hi have debit with me a beer Cerveza hi can use google translate for Cerveza

[augustocroppo]

augustocroppo ??

I don't know Gineta and I can't really understand what he's trying to say.  I have no problem doxing a scammer and applying any LEGAL pressure to attempt recovery, however I do find this thread troubling.

I requested Gineta to show his ID, but he refused. Instead, he produced a message with my name in his Facebook account. That proves that Gineta is controlling the profile of Jacob Maldonado. This corroborates the evidence provided in the previous posts.

[EDITED]

I say that Kelticfox made unsubstantiated allegations. I have demonstrated that Gineta is Jacob Maldonado. The IRC's users should settle a deal with Gineta and let his actions to prove his intentions. A scammer tag is not required for an user which did not demonstrated any intention to defraud users in this forum.

So I agree with you: this thread is largely irrelevant.

[BCB]

Mods can we delete or lock this thread??

And Gineta,  I suggest you lay off the Cerveza's.

(or at least don't bitcoin/chat/post while drunk)

[gineta]

Mods can we delete or lock this thread??

And Gineta,  I suggest you lay off the Cerveza's.

(or at least don't bitcoin/chat/post while drunk)

BCB I ask the MOD yesterday but hi no reply agustotropo also got the probes . Anyway is a big confusion I like to forget  and yes I go to drink a lay of Cerveza's San miguel please

[BCB]

Dude,

I don't know you so forgive me for busing your balls.

You may be stupid, you may be a drunk, or maybe you are just crazy.  But that doesn't  make you a scammer.


http://www.aa.org/lang/sp/subpage.cfm

[AndrewBUD]

He's just a foreigner that think's he's making sense. 

[gineta]

Dude,

I don't know you so forgive me for busing your balls.

You may be stupid, you may be a drunk, or maybe you are just crazy.  But that doesn't  make you a scammer.


http://www.aa.org/lang/sp/subpage.cfm

Thanks for you compliments

[BCB]

So gineta's personal info is all over this thread.  I'm all for doxing scammers and using any LEGAL means to recover a debt, however I don't think it was proven that this guy scammed anyone.

So I'd request that personally identifying info be removed.  You can certainly update this thread if you find him using other nics in IRC or attempting to defraud other members.

Maybe a mod or admin would report back on whether it would be beneficial to lock or leave the thread open.



Thanks.
 

[gineta]

So gineta's personal info is all over this thread.  I'm all for doxing scammers and using any LEGAL means to recover a debt, however I don't think it was proven that this guy scammed anyone.

So I'd request that personally identifying info be removed.  You can certainly update this thread if you find him using other nics in IRC or attempting to defraud other members.

Maybe a mod or admin would report back on whether it would be beneficial to lock or leave the thread open.



Thanks.
 

I already ask by email to Kelticfox to remove any private information because I have the right to my privacy. Possible I not make clear and I make clear again in Public

[BCB]

Kelticfox

I do think you should answer this.  You can certainly say that user Gienta has used multiple nics in IRC and what ever you feel he did was suspicious but I really don't think this personal info needs to be posted here.

Thanks.

[BCB]

No one is trying to coerce you. 

What questions would you like answered?

[gineta]

No one is trying to coerce you.  

What questions would you like answered?

Mr Jayson not understand I not need to provide him any info and more in public forums and more when hi behavioured like that.
I think if I make public his full name. picture of him , his house and any more info hi not go be really very happy. But I am thinking if I can do that .

[gineta]

That is the name you use for register some UK domains and you write like THAT .
Possible you don't spell your own name XDDD . I go to reply to you face to face not worry
I say many times I go to get few witness and get you in Milton Keynes I like to see face to face
the kind of man you are.

[gineta]

This not avoid I go to go to your address. Like or not like to you. That is a free country
And I like to see you. How turn after the thinks. No idea all is question of your behaviour.
But not be chicken and stand in front of me  like a man.

No one is trying to coerce you.  

What questions would you like answered?

Mr Jayson not understand I not need to provide him any info and more in public forums and more when hi behavioured like that.
I think if I make public his full name. picture of him , his house and any more info hi not go be really very happy. But I am thinking if I can do that .

I'll save you the trouble...

My name is Jayson Quayle (which can be found on a simple who.is search)
I attend Oxford Brookes University (1st Result on Google).
I'm a qualified graphic designer (5th Result on Google).
I live in a small town called Buckingham (My own website under the contact information).
My skype name is 'Kelticfox' (also listed on my own website under the contact information).
My Twitter account is 'jayquayle' (listed on my own website as well).


Now that I've saved you 5 minutes, how about you answer the questions. How about you stop avoiding the issues raised to you? Or is that too novel an idea?

[Akka]

I faile to see tha actual scam here, true the things you posted make Gineta look somehow fishy, but that's all.

No scam, no scammer tag.

The issue yo have seems as it could easily be claryfied in a discussion between you two.


Also Gineta:

This could be interpreted as threat against Kelticfox

This not avoid I go to go to your address. Like or not like to you. That is a free country
And I like to see you. How turn after the thinks. No idea all is question of your behaviour.
But not be chicken and stand in front of me  like a man.

I strongly encourage you to hold back from post like this.

[vampire]

This not avoid I go to go to your address. Like or not like to you. That is a free country
And I like to see you. How turn after the thinks. No idea all is question of your behaviour.
But not be chicken and stand in front of me  like a man.

Now that's getting is quiet illegal. This is a clear threat.

In US we can shoot morons that cross the boundaries of our dwellings.

Now if it's time to report you to cops and mods for threats. One thing is a freedom of speech, an another is "how it will turn out".

[gineta]

This not avoid I go to go to your address. Like or not like to you. That is a free country
And I like to see you. How turn after the thinks. No idea all is question of your behaviour.
But not be chicken and stand in front of me  like a man.

Now that's getting is quiet illegal. This is a clear threat.

In US we can shoot morons that cross the boundaries of our dwellings.

Now if it's time to report you to cops and mods for threats. One thing is a freedom of speech, an another is "how it will turn out".

Nothing is illegal that moron offence me . And i go to his house to talk with his mum and dad. I know is a boy of University. If Mum and dad not give me reasons simple call the police and sue him for defamations and sure hi live in a £250.000 house his mum and dad sure have money for compensations and if not the BAlif go to his home with a court order and take any belongues

[gineta]

Not one thread you because you go pacific to a house to talk with you sorry if you make shit in the pants.
My apologize is not my intention that. But you say I live in the Salvador now you believe I am more near of you?
Really now I not have clear what you believe XDDDD

I faile to see tha actual scam here, true the things you posted make Gineta look somehow fishy, but that's all.

No scam, no scammer tag.

The issue yo have seems as it could easily be claryfied in a discussion between you two.

I was fine to let the thread die a death, but BCB & Gineta PM'd me out of the blue today. Basically Gineta is trying to coerce me into removing a thread about him.
Now Gineta is threatening to come around my house 'and see what happens', yet still refusing to answer the simple questions put to him.

It's all smoke and mirrors as far as I'm concerned.



I'll conceed that no actual scam occurred but that's simply on the basis that he was caught out, and all that's required is simple clarification. The more Gineta resists, threatens and such the more I'm convinced that the aim was to scam people.

[repentance]

Nothing is illegal that moron offence me . And i go to his house to talk with his mum and dad. I know is a boy of University. If Mum and dad not give me reasons simple call the police and sue him for defamations and sure hi live in a £250.000 house his mum and dad sure have money for compensations and if not the BAlif go to his home with a court order and take any belongues

Take your fucking meds.  You're delusional if you think you have anything approaching a defamation case, let lone that you would be able to sue his parents.  The police have nothing whatsoever to do with defamation, by the way.  I almost wish you would ring them and complain that someone said something you don't like on the internet - I'm sure it would make some bored police officer's day.

Stop trying to be an internet tough guy and go get some legal advice if you think you have a case.  You'll be wasting your money but at least the person putting up with your delusional sense of entitlement will get paid for it.

Your posts are destroying any possibility of people from this community wanting to do business with you.  They're doing far more damage to your "reputation" than anything posted by Kelticfox ever could.

[BCB]

I think this guy starts getting tuned up after work.  If true he's probably half in the bag by now.  If you notices the crazy man goes beyond bad translation the later it gets int he evening.

Gineta,  lay of the Cerveza's turn off the internet and try to make nice with keltic fox when you are sober.