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June 22, 2013, 12:21:00 AM
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If you feel scammed by giga, now you can state it here:

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June 22, 2013, 02:12:24 AM
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What is this about fiat currency being involved?

that is the thing. no fiat was ever involved from a buyer to giga. heck, he even probably paid for the gear with bitcoins.

if you give me a rock and next week I give you two rocks.. do you really need a lawyer involved? that is my point. when
just messing around with bitcoins it is meaningless when it comes to the LAW. Now if you convert bitcoins to a fiat currency that
is a diff story but that has nothing to do with giga.

he brought in this whole lawyer thing either as a way to screw people or he got irrationally scared. pick your poison.

 
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June 22, 2013, 09:06:31 AM
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What is this about fiat currency being involved?

that is the thing. no fiat was ever involved from a buyer to giga. heck, he even probably paid for the gear with bitcoins.

if you give me a rock and next week I give you two rocks.. do you really need a lawyer involved? that is my point. when
just messing around with bitcoins it is meaningless when it comes to the LAW. Now if you convert bitcoins to a fiat currency that
is a diff story but that has nothing to do with giga.

he brought in this whole lawyer thing either as a way to screw people or he got irrationally scared. pick your poison.

Erhm, law applies to any contract/transactions, whether it is in fiat, Bitcoins, barter tokens or any commodity. I wouldn't say it's meaningless when it comes to the law.
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June 23, 2013, 03:42:57 AM
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What is this about fiat currency being involved?

that is the thing. no fiat was ever involved from a buyer to giga. heck, he even probably paid for the gear with bitcoins.

if you give me a rock and next week I give you two rocks.. do you really need a lawyer involved? that is my point. when
just messing around with bitcoins it is meaningless when it comes to the LAW. Now if you convert bitcoins to a fiat currency that
is a diff story but that has nothing to do with giga.

he brought in this whole lawyer thing either as a way to screw people or he got irrationally scared. pick your poison.

Erhm, law applies to any contract/transactions, whether it is in fiat, Bitcoins, barter tokens or any commodity. I wouldn't say it's meaningless when it comes to the law.

So when he changes the contract at his own discretion would you not agree that he should refund those who want out and disagree with the new pie in the sky made up on the spot contract?

Ugh. This just keeps going around in circles. The dork needs to give ppl their money back and deal with the fall out himself.
The LAW will not come for him with his two bit operation and refunding a few dozen ppl.

 
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June 23, 2013, 03:57:58 AM
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So when he changes the contract at his own discretion would you not agree that he should refund those who want out and disagree with the new pie in the sky made up on the spot contract?

Ugh. This just keeps going around in circles. The dork needs to give ppl their money back and deal with the fall out himself.
The LAW will not come for him with his two bit operation and refunding a few dozen ppl.

When was contract ever changed?
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June 23, 2013, 04:03:26 AM
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So when he changes the contract at his own discretion would you not agree that he should refund those who want out and disagree with the new pie in the sky made up on the spot contract?

Ugh. This just keeps going around in circles. The dork needs to give ppl their money back and deal with the fall out himself.
The LAW will not come for him with his two bit operation and refunding a few dozen ppl.

When was contract ever changed?

when he made demands of others that were not in place from the beginning in order for them to get paid.
basically holding their btc hostage until they did x, y, and z.

 
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June 23, 2013, 10:16:53 AM
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when he made demands of others that were not in place from the beginning in order for them to get paid.
basically holding their btc hostage until they did x, y, and z.

I don't quite see how it can be claimed it's a change of contract. Demanding documents and identification during a claim process would fall outside the scope of the contract itself. It's not pertaining to the execution of the contract itself, but the identification of the recipient. He's currently generating and holding balances for every contract recipient, waiting for owners to claim said amount. One does not blindly delivers and Gigavps decided not to trust data provided by Nefario. I don't really agree with the decision and find the affidavit excessive, but not trusting Nefario is reasonable.
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June 23, 2013, 10:54:23 AM
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not trusting Nefario is reasonable.

except that he trusted him for a long time to raise lots of coins. Then when it's time to return them to the senders he did not trust him any more. oops

Then every other legit issuers trusted Nefario's data and followed up, with little or no incidents. double oops.
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June 23, 2013, 03:19:28 PM
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not trusting Nefario is reasonable.

except that he trusted him for a long time to raise lots of coins. Then when it's time to return them to the senders he did not trust him any more. oops

Then every other legit issuers trusted Nefario's data and followed up, with little or no incidents. double oops.

You still don't know exactly how much BTC Nefario has stolen through submitting his own/controlled addresses as ownership of various shares, but I can tell you it's not 0.

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June 23, 2013, 07:47:12 PM
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Whats Nefario doing now?
He is in any job?

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June 23, 2013, 07:59:57 PM
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Whats Nefario doing now?
He is in any job?

I'm not sure anyone knows where or what he is doing currently.
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June 24, 2013, 06:39:51 PM
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not trusting Nefario is reasonable.

except that he trusted him for a long time to raise lots of coins. Then when it's time to return them to the senders he did not trust him any more. oops

Then every other legit issuers trusted Nefario's data and followed up, with little or no incidents. double oops.

You still don't know exactly how much BTC Nefario has stolen through submitting his own/controlled addresses as ownership of various shares, but I can tell you it's not 0.

Really? Do you have any proof or are you juts pulling stuff out of your ass again?
There has been exactly how many "I did not get my shares" incidents with GLBSE (excluding ones where issuer vanished)?

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June 24, 2013, 06:42:57 PM
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and shit Giga pulled.
 

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July 03, 2013, 07:42:30 AM
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He asked mo to go to public notary even I only have 2 shares....this is nonsense.
Well it's only 2 share but stealing is stealing.
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August 22, 2013, 08:44:30 PM
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Yes, he should be tagged as a scammer without any doubt.
Not only for his fraudulent behavior with Giga-Teramining, but also with his participation in pirate's scheme.

Anyway, seem the odds are against him :
http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as

Besides this, anybody interested in starting a class-action suit ?

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August 22, 2013, 08:59:16 PM
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Yes, he should be tagged as a scammer without any doubt.
Not only for his fraudulent behavior with Giga-Teramining, but also with his participation in pirate's scheme.

Anyway, seem the odds are against him :
http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as

Besides this, anybody interested in starting a class-action suit ?
That is just silly.

Wouldn't it be much easier and cheaper to just file your claim with Giga and get paid rather than hire a lawyer and sue him?  Also, if your main complaint is that you now have to provide documents to Giga just wait until you find out the number of documents you will need to provide in order to sue him.

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Yes, he should be tagged as a scammer without any doubt.
Not only for his fraudulent behavior with Giga-Teramining, but also with his participation in pirate's scheme.

Anyway, seem the odds are against him :
http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as

Besides this, anybody interested in starting a class-action suit ?
That is just silly.

Wouldn't it be much easier and cheaper to just file your claim with Giga and get paid rather than hire a lawyer and sue him?  Also, if your main complaint is that you now have to provide documents to Giga just wait until you find out the number of documents you will need to provide in order to sue him.


Sure, thanks, maybe you will also be indicted for running a pirate's PT.
Class action anybody ?

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August 22, 2013, 09:25:40 PM
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Yes, he should be tagged as a scammer without any doubt.
Not only for his fraudulent behavior with Giga-Teramining, but also with his participation in pirate's scheme.

Anyway, seem the odds are against him :
http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as

Besides this, anybody interested in starting a class-action suit ?
That is just silly.

Wouldn't it be much easier and cheaper to just file your claim with Giga and get paid rather than hire a lawyer and sue him?  Also, if your main complaint is that you now have to provide documents to Giga just wait until you find out the number of documents you will need to provide in order to sue him.


Sure, thanks, maybe you will also be indicted for running a pirate's PT.
Class action anybody ?

Or as I suggested to people looking to injure BFL everyone just does their own small claims cases and pursues double or triple damages. Class actions exist to protect the defendant.

Even if you need a lawyer to help with the small claims process a good drive thru lawyer can be had for $150-$250 for something simple like making sure the paperwork you file doesn't suck.

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August 22, 2013, 09:26:43 PM
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Class action anybody ?

I'm from the EU so I suppose I can't, but I would be happy to donate a half of my Giga shares (30+) to whoever will recover them, including cumulated dividends in case of their recovery.
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August 22, 2013, 10:16:51 PM
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I'm from the EU so I suppose I can't, but I would be happy to donate a half of my Giga shares (30+) to whoever will recover them, including cumulated dividends in case of their recovery.

Please claim and you will be paid. 86% of all outstanding contracts have been claimed and paid.

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