BTCFPGA bASIC updated from 54GH/s to 72HG/s

[Easy2Mine]

BFL single has 8 asic chips per cluster.
Their boards and enclosure are already at final stage.
I don't think BFL has enough room to overclock the chips within a safe working enviroment.
The easiest way is give every customers 2 BFL singles for the price of 1.
2 BFL singles*8 asic chips per board=16 asic chips
Same amount chips as the bigger bASIC unit and we are all happy.

[Dagger75]

BFL single has 8 asic chips per cluster.
Their boards and enclosure are already at final stage.
I don't think BFL has enough room to overclock the chips within a safe working enviroment.
The easiest way is give every customers 2 BFL singles for the price of 1.
2 BFL singles*8 asic chips per board=16 asic chips
Same amount chips as the bigger bASIC unit and we are all happy.

No offense Easy2Mine but as much as i'd love 2 Singles for the price of one this isn't going to happen.  You should read up a bit more on BFL's actual process and I think you'd realize that BFL shouldn't have an issue bumping up the speeds of their chips to match this...  Currently at 7.5GH per chip at 500Mhz and able to generally reach 1Ghz (if there was proper cooling).  *From the information that's been given I think it'll just take a firmware tweak to bump it up no problem.

I'm certainly no fanboy but I'm quite sure it's not an issue.  That said if I can find a way to come up with some more $$ I'd like to pick up a few of Toms bASICs asap.  Tom is using the 90nm manufacturing process for his ASICs and will generally use more electricity than BFLs 65nm process thus giving off more heat (in general) but, I think he's doing pretty damn well with what he has, and will be keeping ever other ASIC Company on their respective Toes.  I hope we all end up getting more GH/$ because of this as well as keeping our Electric bills a little more reasonable in the near future.

Now we just have to keep waiting as there're more delays from both companies because of changes made.  I hope they are minor and finish up sooner than later...  

[kano]

BFL's ASIC can match that if they want. At 40Ghash their ASIC was running at 500Mhz, and they said it can do 1Ghz but not all chips will reach it. So 72GHash is possible.

and that's still a conservative estimate.

These initial numbers are conservative estimates, but we expect that firmware and software updates will be able to iteratively increase hashing power as well.

so it might be even faster than 72 gh/s

in normal circumstances, i strongly dislike luke-jr, but at times, he can work some magic.

Eh what?

what?

luke-jr?

aside from shitting on other people that disagrees with him.

I mean I'm wondering what he's done?

[bitboyben]

Wow this is great news and a smart move. BFL has better hash/watt ratio but bASIC now has a much better hash/$ ratio. If BFL delays again I think Tom will pick up some diversifying miners.

Is there still room on the preorder list?

The hardware wars begin!

[bcpokey]

As far as I understand it, all 3 major vendors first batch pre-order lists are full. Always room on the 2nd wave lists though (think they said that's scheduled for Jan '13)

[Keefe]

How much of the board design work and time was wasted by changing to 8 chips per cluster? Haven't they been working on a design with 6 chips per cluster for many weeks? How much has to be scrapped?

[Frequency]

And so the saga goes on..

So now we just wait until BFL comes with a (40) (60) 80gh device..

Maybe they will get some more pre-orders now..and gives m more time(to)frame..

[bitcoindaddy]

I hope BFL does NOT try to match this new speed. I'd rather get the new device in my hands first and let them worry about trying to increase the speed later when things have settled down. But competition is a good thing. Congratulations.

[SLok]

I hope BFL does NOT try to match this new speed. I'd rather get the new device in my hands first and let them worry about trying to increase the speed later when things have settled down. But competition is a good thing. Congratulations.

Quote BFL_Josh: "We haven't decided specifically which way we want to make things even up with competitors products yet, but we have a lot of options and we will match competitors products that actually ship. We will not leave BFL customers behind the curve when it comes to hardware".

[DoomDumas]

I hope each companie will deliver quality product, competition is good, but often compromise quality.  I prefer to have a solid, durable and reliable thing than a cheap one, whatever performance it accomplish !

[squeept]

The only announcement from any company that will get me excited is someone announcing an actual shipment date. I could care less about a hashing power increase, especially when the rest of the announcement simply reads "we don't have any work done at all."

I'd have gladly taken a 20GH device 3 months ago over a 70GH device 2 months from now.

[Sitarow]

As far as I understand it, all 3 major vendors first batch pre-order lists are full. Always room on the 2nd wave lists though (think they said that's scheduled for Jan '13)

http://store.avalon-asic.com/

Avalon project has 9 left over from the first batch.

[mightycount]

The only announcement from any company that will get me excited is someone announcing an actual shipment date. I could care less about a hashing power increase, especially when the rest of the announcement simply reads "we don't have any work done at all."

I'd have gladly taken a 20GH device 3 months ago over a 70GH device 2 months from now.

Ditto... Paper hash rate wars in the environment where time is so much more important are just silly.

[monstrs]

I hope BFL does NOT try to match this new speed. I'd rather get the new device in my hands first and let them worry about trying to increase the speed later when things have settled down. But competition is a good thing. Congratulations.

Quote BFL_Josh: "We haven't decided specifically which way we want to make things even up with competitors products yet, but we have a lot of options and we will match competitors products that actually ship. We will not leave BFL customers behind the curve when it comes to hardware".

If BFL will do that , that would be great. From the other hand, that could take more time. Wait and see.

[Easy2Mine]

BFL single has 8 asic chips per cluster.
Their boards and enclosure are already at final stage.
I don't think BFL has enough room to overclock the chips within a safe working enviroment.
The easiest way is give every customers 2 BFL singles for the price of 1.
2 BFL singles*8 asic chips per board=16 asic chips
Same amount chips as the bigger bASIC unit and we are all happy.

No offense Easy2Mine but as much as i'd love 2 Singles for the price of one this isn't going to happen.  You should read up a bit more on BFL's actual process and I think you'd realize that BFL shouldn't have an issue bumping up the speeds of their chips to match this...  Currently at 7.5GH per chip at 500Mhz and able to generally reach 1Ghz (if there was proper cooling).  *From the information that's been given I think it'll just take a firmware tweak to bump it up no problem.

I'm certainly no fanboy but I'm quite sure it's not an issue.  That said if I can find a way to come up with some more $$ I'd like to pick up a few of Toms bASICs asap.  Tom is using the 90nm manufacturing process for his ASICs and will generally use more electricity than BFLs 65nm process thus giving off more heat (in general) but, I think he's doing pretty damn well with what he has, and will be keeping ever other ASIC Company on their respective Toes.  I hope we all end up getting more GH/$ because of this as well as keeping our Electric bills a little more reasonable in the near future.

Now we just have to keep waiting as there're more delays from both companies because of changes made.  I hope they are minor and finish up sooner than later...  

BFL already overclock the asics.
If they overclock to the maximum, the singles will do 8*10 GH/s=80 GH/s.
Not all asic chips will achieve that speed and I don't think they will last long.
Despite the smaller manufacturing proces they use, BFL asics seems to run slower per chip.
BFL chips are full custom made, I think they have plenty of room to optimize teir design at the next batch.
Cablepair is using already proven and optimize design technique. I don't think Cablepair has much room left to clock their chips higher if they want their chips to be reliable.
I think he will switch to a smaller proces at the next batch to stay competive.
Just my humble opinion.

[Fcx35x10]

more for the customers! weeeeee i think regardless people who pre-order will get their money worth. perhaps throw in a little single SC making a total of 90 gh/s

[beekeeper]

BFL already overclock the asics.
If they overclock to the maximum, the singles will do 8*10 GH/s=80 GH/s.
Not all asic chips will achieve that speed and I don't think they will last long.
Despite the smaller manufacturing proces they use, BFL asics seems to run slower per chip.
BFL chips are full custom made, I think they have plenty of room to optimize teir design at the next batch.
Cablepair is using already proven and optimize design technique. I don't think Cablepair has much room left to clock their chips higher if they want their chips to be reliable.
I think he will switch to a smaller proces at the next batch to stay competive.
Just my humble opinion.

Somehow, based on my experience, I think the same, but Inaba seems overconfident in last posts, I guess they might already got their "last version" of their chip, test it already and proved it qualifies.

[SLok]

BFL single has 8 asic chips per cluster.
Their boards and enclosure are already at final stage.
I don't think BFL has enough room to overclock the chips within a safe working enviroment.
The easiest way is give every customers 2 BFL singles for the price of 1.
2 BFL singles*8 asic chips per board=16 asic chips
Same amount chips as the bigger bASIC unit and we are all happy.

No offense Easy2Mine but as much as i'd love 2 Singles for the price of one this isn't going to happen.  You should read up a bit more on BFL's actual process and I think you'd realize that BFL shouldn't have an issue bumping up the speeds of their chips to match this...  Currently at 7.5GH per chip at 500Mhz and able to generally reach 1Ghz (if there was proper cooling).  *From the information that's been given I think it'll just take a firmware tweak to bump it up no problem.

I'm certainly no fanboy but I'm quite sure it's not an issue.  That said if I can find a way to come up with some more $$ I'd like to pick up a few of Toms bASICs asap.  Tom is using the 90nm manufacturing process for his ASICs and will generally use more electricity than BFLs 65nm process thus giving off more heat (in general) but, I think he's doing pretty damn well with what he has, and will be keeping ever other ASIC Company on their respective Toes.  I hope we all end up getting more GH/$ because of this as well as keeping our Electric bills a little more reasonable in the near future.

Now we just have to keep waiting as there're more delays from both companies because of changes made.  I hope they are minor and finish up sooner than later...  

BFL already overclock the asics.
If they overclock to the maximum, the singles will do 8*10 GH/s=80 GH/s.
Not all asic chips will achieve that speed and I don't think they will last long.
Despite the smaller manufacturing proces they use, BFL asics seems to run slower per chip.
BFL chips are full custom made, I think they have plenty of room to optimize teir design at the next batch.
Cablepair is using already proven and optimize design technique. I don't think Cablepair has much room left to clock their chips higher if they want their chips to be reliable.
I think he will switch to a smaller proces at the next batch to stay competive.
Just my humble opinion.

Actually, bfl under-clocks the chips, in theory they can run at 16Gh/s, but stability and life expectancy would suffer. Just as btcfpga said for their chips btw. There is room for overclocking for sure.

[beekeeper]

Actually, bfl under-clocks the chips, in theory they can run at 16Gh/s, but stability and life expectancy would suffer. Just as btcfpga said for their chips btw. There is room for overclocking for sure.

How much room? I thought they can go to 200% but people say they are already overclocked.

[Easy2Mine]

I am a bit lazy to search the post where BFL state that their asic chip are already overclock and that there is still a bit room left for further overclocking.
I might search it tomorrow when I am not lazy anymore.