The Fascists That Surround You

[Rudd-O]

Best read on the subject of psychopathy:

http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/mind/psychopathy.shtml#antisocial

[justusranvier]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8RxRn6dWU

[Rudd-O]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8RxRn6dWU

I watched this earlier today -- it was posted in my AgainstAllArchons subreddit.  Excellent piece!

[myrkul]

Oh hey, look what I found!

http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/systemsthinking/humansystems/pathocracy.shtml

“All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. - Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)”

– Chapterhouse: Dune by Frank Herbert

Seriously, how awesome is G+?

[augustocroppo]

http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/systemsthinking/humansystems/pathocracy.shtml

Myrkul, you have been caught lying and doctoring data. Now you are appealing to pseudoscience...

PATHOCRACY

Political Ponerology

http://oxforddictionaries.com/spellcheck/english/?q=Ponerology

No exact results found for Ponerology in the dictionaries.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/spellcheck/english/?q=Pathocracy

No exact results found for Pathocracy in the dictionaries.

The two words were invented by Andrzej M Lobaczewski in his book 'Political Ponerology'.

Ponerology

As indicated by the title of his book, Lobaczewski chose the term ponerology as the name for the discipline dedicated to the study of issues such as those covertly investigated by him and his colleagues. While their main focus was, and the focus of Political Ponerology is, how these issues play out in political systems, the field of ponerology as a whole is much broader. It facilitates and promotes inquiries - and the development of the necessary related working terminology and categories – regarding the entire spectrum of evil, including:

What is evil?

How does evil arise? - Lobaczewski calls the process by which evil originates ponerogenesis and ponerology aims to precisely reveal its “general laws.”

To what extent is evil man made or purposeful?

Why does evil arise where it does?

What forms does evil take?

To what extent can we predict the times, places and shapes in which evil will emerge?

Why do people vary in their responses to evil as they do?

Is evil preventable and, if so, when and how?

Moreover, ponerology is committed to answering these questions from a scientific, rather than from a purely philosophical, theological, supernatural, artistic, emotional or moral perspective.

Although Lobaczewski’s work examines many aspects of evil, it really revolves around the phenomenon of pathocracy, as reflected in several of Political Ponerology’s aspects:

Part V of Political Ponerology is titled “Pathocracy”

Nearly all of the book’s other parts focus on exploring either the process by which pathocracy arises or its relevance to various areas of society such as normal people’s lives, the fields of psychology and psychiatry or religion.

Lobaczewski, in the book, identifies certain well-known systems that he views as examples of pathocracy and considers the psychopathologies of their leaders.

Political Ponerology’s own postscript paints the book primarily as an explication of pathocracy, describing it as:

“The depiction of the ways and means by which pathological figures take over and undermine the social structures of normal people...”

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Oh hey, look what I found!

http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/systemsthinking/humansystems/pathocracy.shtml

“All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. - Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)”

– Chapterhouse: Dune by Frank Herbert

Seriously, how awesome is G+?

Thanks, it looks interesting. I like that blog, have been reading it regularly.

[augustocroppo]

“All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. - Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)”

– Chapterhouse: Dune by Frank Herbert

By the way, did you realize where the head quote come from?

http://www.nightsolo.net/dune/chapterhouse.html

All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted. -Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vG4GUnSCpMEC&pg=PT68&lpg=PT68&dq=Missionaria+Protectiva,+Text+QIV&source=bl&ots=mjp5Wb8Osl&sig=NA4Le4RwF67n8BGbuKN927z1zxA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pQzTUNfgFIub1AXuvYEw&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBA

Chapter House Dune: Dune: Book Six
By Frank Herbert

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9780575104396

Full description for Chapter House Dune
The long-established galactic order is passing. The Honoured Matres, ruthless and all-conquering, have destroyed the planet Dune. In opposition, hard-pressed but still fighting back, the Bene Gesserit sisterhood co-ordinate their resistance from their as-yet undiscovered home world, Chapter House. Now as a new Scattering is planned, they still have one carefully nurtured asset: the sandworms, offspring of the only giant worm salvaged from Dune. Chapter House is to about to turn into a barren wasteland: Chapter House will be the new Dune.

That quote comes from a novel.

Now, could you explain how ponerolgy, pathocracy and a quote from a fictional story supports your stupid analogy?

Of course they do. But where roses exist inside a garden, they are the centerpiece (leadership, in our analogy), or often the entire theme of the garden (the entire power structure, in our example). You can have a garden without roses,  but the temptation to add a rosebush is constant (Fascistic governments attract sociopaths), and once you have one rosebush, you're well on your way to having a rose garden (sociopaths tend to take over any fascistic power structure they are introduced to).

So the analogy is not only valid, it's damn near perfect.

[myrkul]

Now, could you explain how ponerolgy, pathocracy and a quote from a fictional story supports your stupid analogy?

Yes. But I won't. Because I don't owe you that. In fact, responding to this is more than you are owed.

[Snipes777]

Psychology is the root of all political systems. People imposing their view of the world onto the world. Sociopaths view people as tools to be controlled without empathy for them as humans or the ability to universalize experiences to all of humanity. The expression of this in political terms is that they become political leaders who attempt to manage the society. This is the broad definition that is being used as fascism in this conversation.

I would be very interested to wonder if augustocroppo has analyzed his own psychology to realize the lens he is looking through to see the world and the resulting impositions he places on others in order to fulfill his own psychological needs. Self knowledge is the cure for irrationality. Appeals to authority are not valid measures of truth.