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December 17, 2015, 01:55:43 AM
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Your game is still not provably fair.

If you could stop spaming your site's link on other casino's chat, I would be really thankful.
You are being really annoying and kiddish.

Thank you for considering my request...

Please read our FAQ page as to how we are provably fair. We show a before and after hash you can verify the hash. Also you and ryan the owners of bustabit need to stop trying to bash us. i know we are competitors but your acting like little kids.
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December 17, 2015, 04:45:56 AM
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Also you and ryan the owners of bustabit need to stop trying to bash us. i know we are competitors but your acting like little kids.

Dexon's not an owner of bustabit, but a moderator. And both he and I have asked you to stop spamming there, which I don't think is either unreasonable or childish.

BTW it's got absolutely nothing to do with you being a competitor, it's got to do with you being disruptive and annoying. I've never had a problem with people talking about competitors (including direct clones!), but creating multiple shill accounts and spamming ads is something that I don't think any site allows or will put up with.
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December 17, 2015, 05:00:43 AM
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Also you and ryan the owners of bustabit need to stop trying to bash us. i know we are competitors but your acting like little kids.

Dexon's not an owner of bustabit, but a moderator. And both he and I have asked you to stop spamming there, which I don't think is either unreasonable or childish.

BTW it's got absolutely nothing to do with you being a competitor, it's got to do with you being disruptive and annoying. I've never had a problem with people talking about competitors (including direct clones!), but creating multiple shill accounts and spamming ads is something that I don't think any site allows or will put up with.


First off you both are running bustabit you both are attacking me i have not once went and spammed your site chat. I have a bunch of people generating traffic for me it could be one of them ill message everyone.

But the fact is you both are trying to bash my site because you also own pevpot a competitor site.

Please stay off my thread when all your doing is flaming.
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December 17, 2015, 05:09:00 AM
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concept of gambling sites are very nice and I think this is the first gambling site that uses the idea.

And if I find a problem with your site, if I was given a reward for these services .. ?? : V

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December 17, 2015, 05:15:31 AM
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I played on this site with just a 0.0005 deposit and all worked out pretty well. I'll look forward to playing there in the future.

Thanks admin
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December 17, 2015, 05:19:50 AM
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First off you both are running bustabit you both are attacking me i have not once went and spammed your site chat. I have a bunch of people generating traffic for me it could be one of them ill message everyone.

But the fact is you both are trying to bash my site because you also own pevpot a competitor site.

Please stay off my thread when all your doing is flaming.

First of all, I really don't have a problem with competitors at all. Hell, you can download a copy of bustabit and run it yourself if you want *and* even talk about it on my chat. I don't mind. I'm pretty much the least competitive person you'll find. Pevpot doesn't even come close to paying the bills, it's just a bit of fun for me. Hell, if you want, I'll give you a coule bitmillicents to buy a sponsorship on the page Tongue


As for the spammer being you, this is message was made 9 days before the bitcointalk thread ("2015-12-05 23:00:44.336+00"):

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anyone want to help me test out my new site? http://btc-raffle.com/
(a message that's completely fine, and the sort of conversation I like to see on my site. I personally didn't check out your site, but I know Dexon was)

and later you discuss bug-fixing. All which is fine.

But then after you launched, I can definitively link the original account with 100% certainty to these accounts:

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"lolatdexon"
"ReignofTerror"
"KatnissEverdeen"
"zeb"
"tomtom"
"BTC-Raffle-com"
"botmarket"
"hahahahllololol"
"tahoecale"
"lolatryan"

many which were used to spamming, and some which were created in response to mutes, so you could continue spamming.



Or maybe I'm wrong, and one of the "bunch of people" you've hired is an overzealous marketers who impersonates you and then won't stop spamming?



Anyway, I'll stop posting here if you can refrain from advertising on my site (unless its actual conversation, not just "got some big pots going at btc-raffle.com"). Good luck with everything.



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December 17, 2015, 07:14:03 AM
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First off you both are running bustabit you both are attacking me i have not once went and spammed your site chat. I have a bunch of people generating traffic for me it could be one of them ill message everyone.

But the fact is you both are trying to bash my site because you also own pevpot a competitor site.

Please stay off my thread when all your doing is flaming.

First of all, I really don't have a problem with competitors at all. Hell, you can download a copy of bustabit and run it yourself if you want *and* even talk about it on my chat. I don't mind. I'm pretty much the least competitive person you'll find. Pevpot doesn't even come close to paying the bills, it's just a bit of fun for me. Hell, if you want, I'll give you a coule bitmillicents to buy a sponsorship on the page Tongue


As for the spammer being you, this is message was made 9 days before the bitcointalk thread ("2015-12-05 23:00:44.336+00"):

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anyone want to help me test out my new site? http://btc-raffle.com/
(a message that's completely fine, and the sort of conversation I like to see on my site. I personally didn't check out your site, but I know Dexon was)

and later you discuss bug-fixing. All which is fine.

But then after you launched, I can definitively link the original account with 100% certainty to these accounts:

Code:
"lolatdexon"
"ReignofTerror"
"KatnissEverdeen"
"zeb"
"tomtom"
"BTC-Raffle-com"
"botmarket"
"hahahahllololol"
"tahoecale"
"lolatryan"

many which were used to spamming, and some which were created in response to mutes, so you could continue spamming.



Or maybe I'm wrong, and one of the "bunch of people" you've hired is an overzealous marketers who impersonates you and then won't stop spamming?



Anyway, I'll stop posting here if you can refrain from advertising on my site (unless its actual conversation, not just "got some big pots going at btc-raffle.com"). Good luck with everything.







You say you don't care but the 2 people who run bustabit/pevpot both are bashing me. I asked you to stop flaming on my thread.

I have said it is not me who is saying anything on your site. There are 5 owners to this site i messaged everyone saying do not use your chat box. What else do you want me to do?

Also i am building a referral system where people will get 1% of their referrals spending. So are you going to blame me when people just trying to make money with referrals and post a link in your chat too?
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December 17, 2015, 02:04:38 PM
Last edit: December 17, 2015, 02:22:26 PM by jlfvr
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This game is not provably fair and you are misleading your players by claiming it is.

Granted, by displaying the salted and hashed result before the game ends, you prove that the winning ticket (the "lucky number") was not changed based on subsequent wagers by players. However, there is no way for players to verify that the house isn't posing as other players. These fake players would have an obvious advantage since they know which games to enter and when to do so in order to win the pot with a high likelihood, thereby cheating the real players.

Consider this example:

  • Player A purchases a ticket and the hash 5041f376ddcb15642ffecea159db207945c0dc0f8375fb9c4657b1b27b6b0e1eb4cd9a138939664 acd254839f15e70fd18e670ac814202aea4b860bd2aa56adb is shown.
  • Players B, C, D and E also purchase a ticket.
  • The game ends and the lucky number 9337 is revealed. Also, the salt 774eb411-8f95-4e65-b0cd-89c19d05f03b is now displayed.

Player D is having a bad run and he's getting suspicious, so he decides to verify the last game. He uses the formula in your FAQ and enters the lucky number and the salt. To his surprise, everything checks out. The hash is correct!

So, nothing to see here? Not quite. The house purposefully generated a lucky number near the end of the spectrum (from 1 to 10.000). After players B, C and D purchased their tickets the house decided that more players were unlikely to join, so it purchased the winning ticket itself, posing as player E, and thereby cheating player D of his winnings.

This is just one attack vector and I imagine a clever (malicious) site operator would be able to come up with more. In any case you cannot reasonably claim that the game is provably fair.
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December 17, 2015, 03:10:37 PM
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I have said it is not me who is saying anything on your site. There are 5 owners to this site i messaged everyone saying do not use your chat box. What else do you want me to do?

Incase you need help finding which one of your 5 owners is spamming:

I contacted support yesterday and confirmed they were (one of) the owners, after which I sent them a link a made-up URL on bustabit.com (/misc/btc-raffle-spam.png), and immediately in bustabit access logs were a request from the exact browser/ip/session that has been used to spam my site.

If you check your support logs, who ever handled my ticket is without a doubt the spammer Grin
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December 18, 2015, 01:23:52 AM
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@jlfvr your only other post is you talking about bustabit so clearly your just here to bash us.. Reading over your post all your saying we are untrustworthy. The same thing can be said for guys site. This site is all about player vs player when your site is players vs the house. Clearly we are a threat or you guys would not be putting so much effort into trying to make us look bad.

The game is fun the people are loving it. Stop trying to bash us.

@ryan i will have to look into a lot of chats.


I do not want to see anymore post from the bustabit admins on my thread.
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December 18, 2015, 01:57:37 AM
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I do not want to see anymore post from the bustabit admins on my thread.

That's racist Sad
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December 18, 2015, 03:07:57 AM
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I do not want to see anymore post from the bustabit admins on my thread.

That's racist Sad

Dexon you sent a malicious attack on our site, you even made a fake account on here again trying to bash us. This is not a place to flame please stay off our thread.

I don't go on your thread and bash it but i could easily. Especially with your lotto where you show 0 proof its not rigged seems like a ploy to get people to bet at X3. 
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December 18, 2015, 04:47:27 AM
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@jlfvr your only other post is you talking about bustabit so clearly your just here to bash us.. Reading over your post all your saying we are untrustworthy. The same thing can be said for guys site. This site is all about player vs player when your site is players vs the house. Clearly we are a threat or you guys would not be putting so much effort into trying to make us look bad.

Yeah, that's definitely it, nothing to do with the spam from the last couple hours:

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21:46 spammychat: [Lotto] Every 30 seconds at btc-raffle.com
22:09 comeatmedexon: [Lotto] Every 30 seconds at btc-raffle.com
22:53 D3Xon: [Lotto] Every 30 Seconds At Btc-raffle.com
23:16 youbutthurt: [Lotto] Every 30 seconds at btc-raffle.com
23:25 notgoingtostop: [Lotto] Every 30 Seconds At Btc-raffle.com
23:41 doubleyourbtcfas: [Lotto] Every 30 seconds on btc-raffle.com

and I've already confirmed that it's not any of your players, but someone from your site who handles your support claiming to be an owner (based on ip/session match).

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I do not want to see anymore post from the bustabit admins on my thread.

Dexon's not an admin of bustabit, just a user with a mute stick. I'll ask him to leave this alone, and I'd appreciate if you (or one of your fellow co-owners) cut the spam bullshit out.
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December 18, 2015, 06:19:14 AM
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Dexon is a admin of bustabit quit lying. After your team of admins have attacked my site + trying to bash us, makes me not care anymore about your site being spammed. I suggest you fix your site from being spammed.
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December 18, 2015, 06:21:41 AM
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How did he get the negative trust again? It just got removed this morning  Undecided

This is weird.

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December 18, 2015, 06:25:44 AM
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How did he get the negative trust again? It just got removed this morning  Undecided

This is weird.

Its from ryan the bustabit admin. Just one of his ways to make me look bad.
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December 18, 2015, 06:44:57 AM
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How did he get the negative trust again? It just got removed this morning  Undecided

This is weird.

Its from ryan the bustabit admin. Just one of his ways to make me look bad.

Well good luck getting rid of it... I've played on your site several times without problems so. I don't think you really deserve it.

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December 18, 2015, 06:46:18 AM
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Dexon is a admin of bustabit quit lying. After your team of admins have attacked my site + trying to bash us, makes me not care anymore about your site being spammed. I suggest you fix your site from being spammed.

I'm really not sure what your problem is. I don't expect you to care if my site is spammed, I just expect your site to not participate or encourage it.

And as I've said, I am the sole owner and admin of bustabit. Dexon is just a user who has the ability to mute people (a mod).
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December 18, 2015, 06:50:40 AM
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How did he get the negative trust again? It just got removed this morning  Undecided

This is weird.

I removed it earlier, as a show of good faith as I didn't want to harm them, just get them to stop spamming. However they kept going at Dexon/bustabit didn't stop (even after I linked their owner on support with the spamming), so I ended up just re-adding it.
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December 18, 2015, 07:01:00 AM
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How did he get the negative trust again? It just got removed this morning  Undecided

This is weird.

Its from ryan the bustabit admin. Just one of his ways to make me look bad.

Well good luck getting rid of it... I've played on your site several times without problems so. I don't think you really deserve it.

Thanks man, and its all good i expected other bitcoin sites to bash the new guy i just didn't expect the whole bustabit team to gang up on me.
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