You guys need to fix the ban evasion issue before making another forum.

[TheGr33k]

Hi everyone. It's your buddy TheGr33k. Into today's episode, we'll be discussing how ban evasions work. Before we hop into that, what is a ban evasion?


Ban evasion; noun: A way to circumvent a ban. Used in a sentence: I got banned for being too offensive, so I just made another account and changed my way of typing so I wouldn't get banned again. I also started making multiple mules to post consistently and make money consistently with the help of signature campaigns.


Ban evasions are a problem that need to be fixed. If you can't fix it, there's no point in even banning anyone. Some websites are paying their moderators at least 12 dollars an hour from a 9-5 pace to literally sit behind their computer and babysit a forum section. Since this site has about maybe 40+ sections, that's about a 4,000 dollar paycheck to give daily but it is effective. It'll be less easier for scammers or people who were even marked unfairly as a scammer to just come back easily on a mule. Please fix that issue before even thinking about making a new forum as one person mentioned.


Also, somebody is spamming Bitcoin is dead in speculation. Do something about it.

[Lauda]

There's so much wrong in this thread:

• Ban evasion is not broken, ergo does not need fixing.
• The new forum is already made; 'before' is useless
• Moderators do not get paid here, they get rewarded for contributions

If you would be the person paying me $12 per hour each day, I'd be glad to join.

[lolxxxx]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

[TheGr33k]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

[Xian01]

How is OP not banned yet for shitting this place up so badly ?

[Lauda]

How is OP not banned yet for shitting this place up so badly ?

Theymos is way too tolerant and BadBear is a bit busy IIRC. Reminds me of the F something guy that was trolling me and pretty much everyone else (incl. the forum itself).

[thejaytiesto]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

You say "everything is possible" but not really give out a concrete way to do it. And the reality of things is: There's no way to stop people from circumventing new bans. I mean it's bad enough already that if you want to create an account anonymously with Tor you need to pay BTC because the tor node was previously banned.
The only way would be to close registrations and start an invite-only policy, but this would be against the site's interest since you would lose lots of traffic, and even then, scammers would end up finding invitations.

Let's not ruin this great forum for the legit users because of the bad user's fault.

[DiscoverCebu]

How is OP not banned yet for shitting this place up so badly ?

Theymos is way too tolerant and BadBear is a bit busy IIRC. Reminds me of the F something guy that was trolling me and pretty much everyone else (incl. the forum itself).

I guess you mean Fwldksh(or something similar), pretty sure OP is codishmumu though.

[TheGr33k]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

You say "everything is possible" but not really give out a concrete way to do it. And the reality of things is: There's no way to stop people from circumventing new bans. I mean it's bad enough already that if you want to create an account anonymously with Tor you need to pay BTC because the tor node was previously banned.
The only way would be to close registrations and start an invite-only policy, but this would be against the site's interest since you would lose lots of traffic, and even then, scammers would end up finding invitations.

Let's not ruin this great forum for the legit users because of the bad user's fault.

The last time I provided a way for the site to look more professional, the moderators shut my idea down so why would I bother giving ideas....?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

Hey, I said that and it was just my opinion.  What do you mean by the site being screencapped and web captured.  Somedude on another thread said he screencapped something I said so he could call me a retard in future threads.

[Xian01]

The last time I provided a way for the site to look more professional, the moderators shut my idea down so why would I bother giving ideas....?

If you want professional, Linkedin is that way         ----->

And technically speaking, Xian01's comment is off topic and should be deleted along with everyone that quoted him but whatever.

Cool story, bro.

[Lauda]

And technically speaking, Xian01's comment is off topic and should be deleted along with everyone that quoted him but whatever.

Cool story, bro.

It is not because it technically affects OP and his suggestion(s). The input is okay because it can be used if a good discussion gets started.

I guess you mean Fwldksh(or something similar), pretty sure OP is codishmumu though.

That is a possibility.

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?

Something that is not broken can't be fixed.

[achow101]

There are a few ways you could attempt to prevent ban evasion. I have made a comparison for you.
IP Ban:

• Pros:
  • Really easy to do
• Cons:
  
  • May ban more than just one user due to shared IPs or dynamic IP addresses
  • People can just use proxies and pay the fee

Linguistic Analysis to determine alts

• Pros
  • Could easily identify potential alts
• Cons
  • Could be really hard to program decently well
  • Could result in a lot of false positives because people raised in similar environments will typically speak and write the same way
  • People who change their writing styles (which is actually a lot harder than you think it would be) would be able to evade this
  • Some users might not have enough posts to have enough data to analyze (e.g. newly created accounts)

Blockchain analysis program to determine alts

• Pros
  • Would be mostly definitive proof of an alt
• Cons
  • Might be a little hard to write to have the program distinguish between an address posted by a user and one that a person mentions to talk about something
  • Mixers and coinjoin transactions circumvent this

See the problem with all of these is that they cannot prevent and catch all ban evaders. As you said so yourself, if there is a will, there's a way, and those ban evading will find a way to circumvent all of those techniques.

[TheGr33k]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

Hey, I said that and it was just my opinion.  What do you mean by the site being screencapped and web captured.  Somedude on another thread said he screencapped something I said so he could call me a retard in future threads.

Taking photos of the site. It doesn't really matter to me though.

[Spoetnik]

@OP
As usual you are a raging juggernaut of cluelessness.

Did you know there was a Nooby Jail way back ?

Did you know they tried banning proxies ?

Long ago a random guy (balance.ninja 10/14/2014) on Poloniex said hey Spoetnik check this out..
Picture below was from a LONG time ago.. click on the below link to see it now

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;unproxyban

[langedwig]

There's so much wrong in this thread:

• Ban evasion is not broken, ergo does not need fixing.
• The new forum is already made; 'before' is useless
• Moderators do not get paid here, they get rewarded for contributions

If you would be the person paying me $12 per hour each day, I'd be glad to join.

New forum ?
Means bitcointalk will close ?
What is new forum link ?

[lolxxxx]

How is OP not banned yet for shitting this place up so badly ?

A Question from me why should he get banned just for saying to fix this issue .. though its not a issue its a problem to forum .
he is just sharing his idea , his idea is good but its hard .

[Lauda]

New forum ?
Means bitcointalk will close ?
What is new forum link ?

There has been talk about this for ages. A new forum is in the works and it will be the same BTCT (content wise) just on new software.

A Question from me why should he get banned just for saying to fix this issue .. though its not a issue its a problem to forum .
he is just sharing his idea , his idea is good but its hard .

Good? You mean useless waste of time and money which probably wouldn't help with complex cases?

[lolxxxx]

A Question from me why should he get banned just for saying to fix this issue .. though its not a issue its a problem to forum .
he is just sharing his idea , his idea is good but its hard .

Good? You mean useless waste of time and money which probably wouldn't help with complex cases?

yea right i m saying that its useless to waste money and time on these kind of cases which are not going to slove and if we try it would be hard and complex as you said .

[enhu]

How could they fix the ban evasion issues ?
the use can create a new account by using proxy (if you are thinking that you can track the evader by the IP)
or he can use proxy with new computer , the user can refresh and delete his previous cookies to remain anonymous.
Its really hard to fix this issue if i am not wrong ?

Anything is possible. Where there's a will, there's a way and they're not having the will so how can there even be a way with no will? They don't even care to ban scammers. According to a  member's comment, scamming isn't against the rules because if they cared to stop it, they would have done it by now. The site is constantly being screen capped and web captured.

It's little things like this that honestly worry me that this site will be taken down and I don't want it to at all.

You say "everything is possible" but not really give out a concrete way to do it. And the reality of things is: There's no way to stop people from circumventing new bans. I mean it's bad enough already that if you want to create an account anonymously with Tor you need to pay BTC because the tor node was previously banned.
The only way would be to close registrations and start an invite-only policy, but this would be against the site's interest since you would lose lots of traffic, and even then, scammers would end up finding invitations.

Let's not ruin this great forum for the legit users because of the bad user's fault.

Invite only is going to kill the bitcoin economy which is more important than all these forum issues. Keep in mind that if no one is using a coin, the coin will eventually die.

While users can register every minute of the day to get another account, there is no way they can scam if people are just aware of the scam possibilities.
Its not the forums fault that they got scammed, they should be aware of how the stuff works before getting into a deal. If the deal is something suspicious, they better cancel it or take their own risk.