Freedom is ...

[Bitware]

the inability to be coerced.

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[nobbynobbynoob]

Uncompromisedly strict adherence to the non-aggression principle.

[Bitware]

Uncompromisedly strict adherence to the non-aggression principle.

I like that too.

[FirstAscent]

A uniform set of laws guaranteeing rights to protection of everyone regardless of their wealth, such that everyone may go about their business and recreation reasonably and comfortably.

[myrkul]

I'm going to guess, without even looking, that the post directly above mine has nothing to do with freedom...

Edit: Well, Not as bad as usual. I stand corrected.

Though I wonder why uniformity trumps fairness.

[FirstAscent]

I'm going to guess, without even looking, that the post directly above mine has nothing to do with freedom...

I'm going to point out (as opposed to guessing) that the above post has nothing to do with freedom.

Edit: Well, Not as bad as usual. I stand corrected.

Though I wonder why uniformity trumps fairness.

Fairness cannot exist without uniform application.

[myrkul]

Though I wonder why uniformity trumps fairness.

Fairness cannot exist without uniform application.

I see, so we should make the speed limits in all the US states the same? Otherwise they're not fair, right? And we should make the highway speeds the same as the city street speeds. That's fair, right?

[FirstAscent]

Though I wonder why uniformity trumps fairness.

Fairness cannot exist without uniform application.

I see, so we should make the speed limits in all the US states the same? Otherwise they're not fair, right?

Wow. What a weak comeback. I doubt one freeway will feel that it got unfair treatment as opposed to another freeway.

[myrkul]

Though I wonder why uniformity trumps fairness.

Fairness cannot exist without uniform application.

I see, so we should make the speed limits in all the US states the same? Otherwise they're not fair, right?

Wow. What a weak comeback. I doubt one freeway will feel that it got unfair treatment as opposed to another freeway.

It's not the freeway, but the motorist that gets unfair treatment. What will get a man fined in one state (going, say, 75mph), or in one section of a state, will not get another man in trouble at all. That is not uniform, and so, not fair, am I right?

Therefore, all speed limits everywhere should be exactly the same, in order to be fair to all motorists.

[FirstAscent]

Though I wonder why uniformity trumps fairness.

Fairness cannot exist without uniform application.

I see, so we should make the speed limits in all the US states the same? Otherwise they're not fair, right?

Wow. What a weak comeback. I doubt one freeway will feel that it got unfair treatment as opposed to another freeway.

It's not the freeway, but the motorist that gets unfair treatment. What will get a man fined in one state (going, say, 75mph), or in one section of a state, will not get another man in trouble at all. That is not uniform, and so, not fair, am I right?

Not really. Both encounter the same speed limit on the same highway.

Therefore, all speed limits everywhere should be exactly the same, in order to be fair to all motorists.

No, not really. But all motorists should get equal treatment regarding emergency response should they get in an accident on some particular highway. For example, if Alice and Bob are in a head on collision on highway X.

[myrkul]

Though I wonder why uniformity trumps fairness.

Fairness cannot exist without uniform application.

I see, so we should make the speed limits in all the US states the same? Otherwise they're not fair, right?

Wow. What a weak comeback. I doubt one freeway will feel that it got unfair treatment as opposed to another freeway.

It's not the freeway, but the motorist that gets unfair treatment. What will get a man fined in one state (going, say, 75mph), or in one section of a state, will not get another man in trouble at all. That is not uniform, and so, not fair, am I right?

Not really. Both encounter the same speed limit on the same highway.

But it's not uniform from highway to highway! What if on one highway, the speed limit is 65, but on the other, it's 55? A motorist traveling from one highway to another could get charged with speeding for doing something that was not before he took the exit. And a motorist traveling from Highway to city streets suffers even more stiff penalties for doing something that was perfectly legal only moments before. It's madness, I tell you.

[nobbynobbynoob]

Therefore, all speed limits everywhere should be exactly the same, in order to be fair to all motorists.

Reasonable and prudent sounds good...

[tbdunamis]

...that quality of life where one may follow the dictates of conscience without molestation.

[Lethn]

Being able to do whatever you want so long as it doesn't hurt others in the process.

I guess I take a simpler view on it

[FirstAscent]

Being able to do whatever you want so long as it doesn't hurt others in the process.

I guess I take a simpler view on it

Lots of people get killed accidentally by others who hold beliefs such as yours. It sucks.

[Lethn]

They will not find me such easy prey

[FirstAscent]

They will not find me such easy prey

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying.

[Lethn]

poo I misread, sorry about that, I just woke up LOL

Now I read it better there's no way I'd let that happen because I actually follow my beliefs a lot of the people who claim to hold our beliefs and stuff don't actually follow them and just use it to blend in with society, like mainstream politicians. People end up being killed in accidents anyway no matter what you do though sadly, it's just a fact of life, there's little you can do to prevent it, so we may as well enjoy life until it happens, most of the time laws get brought about is because it's one or two people or a one in a million disaster when there are other perfectly careful people who do just fine normally.

[FirstAscent]

I'm sorry, but all the dumbasses out there think they can do this and that and it won't hurt anybody else, because, by gosh, they know what they're doing. But then how come these accidents happen where innocent people get killed? Such as speeding, or fucking around with a gun, or failing to follow building codes, etc.

It's bad enough as it is, because the above references are with laws. Imagine them without laws and total freedom for the dumbasses to do as they want, because they think they know what they're doing (which they don't).

[myrkul]

You want to tell me what good a speeding ticket does the person who is harmed as a result of a driver speeding? (Assuming anyone is actually harmed... and if not, who gives a fuck?)