Gun free zone

[Axios]

Now according to you let's force an insurance policy for each gun.. Woooaha....

No, I'm actually against licensing drivers, as well. Anarchist, remember? Forcible auto insurance is one of the more annoying government policies.

And running around in a circle with your dick in your hand yelling "I owned you!" doesn't make it so.

Grow up.

So who care about your opinion that is BASED ON LIES as proven earlier.

You're just a liar, keep living in your little fantasy world built on lies.


edit:

Just to see how a big liar you are:

Posting misleading statistics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130900.msg1408816#msg1408816
Claiming that someone else lied (LOLOLOL): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130900.msg1409420#msg1409420
Warned him that his data is BS: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130900.msg1409707#msg1409707
Owned his lying ass: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130900.msg1410074#msg1410074

[myrkul]

If I am not mistaken, there has been a time or two when governments have participated in genocide.  I’m not going to crunch the numbers, because I’m sure others have already.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM

Without looking, I would guess that the number of people killed by governments are pretty staggering, making school and mall shootings insignificant (except for those involved). Kind of like the carbon dioxide released by a big volcano eruption compared to a gas powered leaf blower.

If we really want to protect the children, we should ban all governments.  You never know when a government might snap and go crazy on its people. 
(Actually, civilian disarmament might be a valid indicator since this tends to happen prior to most genocide.)

Seriously, all joking aside, we don’t want to end government…

Speak for yourself.

[Mellivora]

If I am not mistaken, there has been a time or two when governments have participated in genocide.  I’m not going to crunch the numbers, because I’m sure others have already.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM

Without looking, I would guess that the number of people killed by governments are pretty staggering, making school and mall shootings insignificant (except for those involved). Kind of like the carbon dioxide released by a big volcano eruption compared to a gas powered leaf blower.

If we really want to protect the children, we should ban all governments.  You never know when a government might snap and go crazy on its people. 
(Actually, civilian disarmament might be a valid indicator since this tends to happen prior to most genocide.)

Seriously, all joking aside, we don’t want to end government…

Speak for yourself.

Keep your eyes open for sarcasm...there might be some in there...

[myrkul]

If I am not mistaken, there has been a time or two when governments have participated in genocide.  I’m not going to crunch the numbers, because I’m sure others have already.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM

Without looking, I would guess that the number of people killed by governments are pretty staggering, making school and mall shootings insignificant (except for those involved). Kind of like the carbon dioxide released by a big volcano eruption compared to a gas powered leaf blower.

If we really want to protect the children, we should ban all governments.  You never know when a government might snap and go crazy on its people. 
(Actually, civilian disarmament might be a valid indicator since this tends to happen prior to most genocide.)

Seriously, all joking aside, we don’t want to end government…

Speak for yourself.

Keep your eyes open for sarcasm...there might be some in there...

I'm well aware.

[Lethn]

Who are you morons? Parliament? Actually, forget it, you aren't worth the time any more.

[foggyb]

So, mr. obama, how the hell do you think stricter guns laws are gonna work?

Yeah, he broke something like 40 laws (if you count each instance). The answer: MOAR LAWZ!

That's like saying: "This man was going over the speed limit, and driving drunk, and caused an accident. Clearly, we need lower speed limits."

True, pure facepalm.

+1.

[yogi]

The degree to which the pro-gunners are prepared to twist and manipulate the truth would be funny, if it weren't for the tragedies that spring from it.

Killing sprees all have one thing in common.

Access to guns!

[Richy_T]

The degree to which the pro-gunners are prepared to twist and manipulate the truth would be funny, if it weren't for the tragedies that spring from it.

Killing sprees all have one thing in common.

Access to guns!

How many examples do I have to provide you otherwise before you'll retract that assertion?

[myrkul]

The degree to which the pro-gunners are prepared to twist and manipulate the truth would be funny, if it weren't for the tragedies that spring from it.

Killing sprees all have one thing in common.

Access to guns!

Except the ones that were committed with knives, or home-made bombs, or in one case, a truck...

You know what the ones that were stopped all have in common?

Access to guns!

[deadweasel]

The degree to which the pro-gunners are prepared to twist and manipulate the truth would be funny, if it weren't for the tragedies that spring from it.

Killing sprees all have one thing in common.

Access to guns!

They have at least two things in common, the first being that a person has become mentally ill and nobody has done anything about it.  This would be the one to focus on as weapons abound and you cannot fix that -- I could build a gun or explosive device with very little effort.  Nobody would know.

They WOULD however notice if I was fired from my job, stopped showing up to things, looked depressed, acted strange, etc etc etc.  

Let's fix the source of the problem, not the tools that problem may use to be murderous.  

[gyverlb]

If I am not mistaken, there has been a time or two when governments have participated in genocide.  I’m not going to crunch the numbers, because I’m sure others have already.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM

Without looking, I would guess that the number of people killed by governments are pretty staggering, making school and mall shootings insignificant (except for those involved). Kind of like the carbon dioxide released by a big volcano eruption compared to a gas powered leaf blower.

If we really want to protect the children, we should ban all governments.  You never know when a government might snap and go crazy on its people. 
(Actually, civilian disarmament might be a valid indicator since this tends to happen prior to most genocide.)

Logical fallacy: some governments (not only participated but also) initiated and enforced genocides so all forms of government should be banned.

I know it's easier to think that way, but simplicity isn't always a solution when you want billions (or even simply hundreds) of people to share natural resources and make a life for themselves.

A government, even a tyrannical one, is always tolerated by its population. All governments fell when people organized themselves. If they don't have guns, it's only a trivial matter: part of the military will always defect (they don't like to kill their own family and friends usually). When people really value freedom and are willing to die for it there's nothing a government can do even with a large military advantage: the bigger the guns they have, the more damage they can deal them when soldiers defect. Today tyrannical governments only maintain themselves by aggressively spying on their population and keeping it from organizing as free thinking groups. When your government knows where you live, who you communicate with, where your kids go to school, which path they use and sends an anonymous thug to your door saying "you know we know that you are in contact with these anti-patriotic criminals, that's a bad idea that could bring misfortune to your family..." that's far more effective that sending him with a gun to kill everybody in sight. That's how they do it in China, mostly they don't even have to send someone as people know they are watched and most keep their heads down. Even though there are hangings and people "disappear", this is by far the exception and mainly used to make the threat real, it's much more effective to spread fear and division than creating martyrs.

This is why you should be much more worried by governments spying on you than governments banning guns. This is the first step in tyranny which makes all others trivial enough. If they allow the situation to degenerate and come to open kidnappings and killings they don't stand much chance.

We discussed guns as a last line of defense against corrupted governments, but last time I checked in the US you were a democracy: why do you keep voting for corrupt people removing your liberties? If there isn't anyone running for public office you can trust and you are so convinced the ones who do are after you, why don't you do it yourself and educate your fellow citizens instead of grabbing a gun? Is it so much better to limit your safety to keeping a gun on you at all times and have people with gun you trust around anyone or anything you value even when you don't have a single clue where, when and against whom you will have to defend yourself?

You are fighting a lost battle, guns were the only defense weapons available to small isolated groups in an hostile environment ages ago when dying young and violently was commonplace and seen as inevitable. Today if you want something better than the wild west what you need is knowledge, trust relationships and involvement in the political process. The threats will always be too big to handle when they come if you ignore them and let them grow while training yourself at the gun range, no matter how big the gun you train with is.

[yogi]

The degree to which the pro-gunners are prepared to twist and manipulate the truth would be funny, if it weren't for the tragedies that spring from it.

Killing sprees all have one thing in common.

Access to guns!

They have at least two things in common, the first being that a person has become mentally ill and nobody has done anything about it.  This would be the one to focus on as weapons abound and you cannot fix that -- I could build a gun or explosive device with very little effort.  Nobody would know.

They WOULD however notice if I was fired from my job, stopped showing up to things, looked depressed, acted strange, etc etc etc.  

Let's fix the source of the problem, not the tools that problem may use to be murderous.  

Wow, so you suggest curing all neurological and psychologically health problems.

You certainly are ambitious!

[myrkul]

If I am not mistaken, there has been a time or two when governments have participated in genocide.  I’m not going to crunch the numbers, because I’m sure others have already.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM

Without looking, I would guess that the number of people killed by governments are pretty staggering, making school and mall shootings insignificant (except for those involved). Kind of like the carbon dioxide released by a big volcano eruption compared to a gas powered leaf blower.

If we really want to protect the children, we should ban all governments.  You never know when a government might snap and go crazy on its people. 
(Actually, civilian disarmament might be a valid indicator since this tends to happen prior to most genocide.)

Logical fallacy: some governments (not only participated but also) initiated and enforced genocides so all forms of government should be banned.

But banning all guns because a few crazy people used some to kill a few dozen people, that just makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

[deadweasel]

The degree to which the pro-gunners are prepared to twist and manipulate the truth would be funny, if it weren't for the tragedies that spring from it.

Killing sprees all have one thing in common.

Access to guns!

They have at least two things in common, the first being that a person has become mentally ill and nobody has done anything about it.  This would be the one to focus on as weapons abound and you cannot fix that -- I could build a gun or explosive device with very little effort.  Nobody would know.

They WOULD however notice if I was fired from my job, stopped showing up to things, looked depressed, acted strange, etc etc etc.  

Let's fix the source of the problem, not the tools that problem may use to be murderous.  

Wow, so you suggest curing all neurological and psychologically health problems.

You certainly are ambitious!

I suggest spending our time/money addressing the mental health issue AT ALL, as currently the US uses it's PRISONS to house the mentally ill.

[Richy_T]

And don't forget, besides the obvious and egregious examples of the Nazis and Soviets, the relatively open and free governments of the West have quite an astoundingly large amount of blood on their hands.

[myrkul]

And don't forget, besides the obvious and egregious examples of the Nazis and Soviets, the relatively open and free governments of the West have quite an astoundingly large amount of blood on their hands.

Hell, drone strikes kill more kids than these nutjobs could ever manage.

[Maidak]

this should be in the OP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8

Damn, that school should have had those signs.

We watched this when I did my CCW class, today I went up to our local dealer to buy some ammo and realized he was actually completely sold out on all AR 15's and other assault rifles.

[myrkul]

this should be in the OP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8

Damn, that school should have had those signs.

We watched this when I did my CCW class, today I went up to our local dealer to buy some ammo and realized he was actually completely sold out on all AR 15's and other assault rifles.

Nothing like a threat to make something illegal to drive sales.

[augustocroppo]

But banning all guns because a few crazy people used some to kill a few dozen people, that just makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Wow...

The opinion of a survivor of one of these mass shootings should carry some weight, yeah?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEJFAvA-ZUE

actually quite the opposite.
how can the most biased opinion possible further a rational discussion?

Really? The opinion of some who has been the victim of one of these shootings doesn't carry any weight, and, in your opinion should be ignored because it's biased? Are you fucking crazy?

In other words, you think the opinion of one victim should weight in favor of ANTI government gun control, but the death of several victims should not weight in favor of PRO government gun control.

Myrkul, you are really fucked up.

[myrkul]

Myrkul, you are really fucked up.

Just going sane in an insane world.

And I'm sure the dead victims would have liked to been able to defend their lives, as well.