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December 18, 2012, 01:39:39 PM |
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These numbers don't tell much. It would be more interesting to see a ranking of "gun owners per capita" instead of "guns per capita", although even still I don't believe any strong correlation would be found.
While Swiss may rank high, the freaking machine guns that they got: Have disabled full auto Have only 50 bullets sealed in a can Have an annual inspection of the guns and bullets Impossible to buy more bullets legally I believe you're talking particularly about their military guns. If I'm not mistaken they can buy other guns, with different (less strict) restrictions. But... how is this post of yours a reply to the one of mine you quoted? |
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December 18, 2012, 01:45:41 PM |
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I believe you're talking particularly about their military guns. If I'm not mistaken they can buy other guns, with different (less strict) restrictions.
But... how is this post of yours a reply to the one of mine you quoted?
Because statistics are useless. I hear a lot that swiss have machine guns and that's why its such a low crime over there.... They can buy only handguns and hunting rifles (no semi autos), you cannot get a CC unless you're in security. |
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December 18, 2012, 04:09:43 PM |
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They can buy only handguns and hunting rifles (no semi autos), you cannot get a CC unless you're in security.
But anyone can open carry? |
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December 18, 2012, 04:19:25 PM |
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I'm just going to leave this here...  |
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December 19, 2012, 12:12:39 AM |
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December 19, 2012, 12:23:36 AM |
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Damn, that school should have had those signs. |
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December 19, 2012, 02:54:05 AM |
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I believe you're talking particularly about their military guns. If I'm not mistaken they can buy other guns, with different (less strict) restrictions.
But... how is this post of yours a reply to the one of mine you quoted?
Because statistics are useless. I hear a lot that swiss have machine guns and that's why its such a low crime over there.... They can buy only handguns and hunting rifles (no semi autos), you cannot get a CC unless you're in security. Are you saying the Swiss only can own revolvers? |
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December 19, 2012, 07:45:12 AM |
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They can buy only handguns and hunting rifles (no semi autos), you cannot get a CC unless you're in security.
But anyone can open carry? No. I believe the concept of Open Carry itself is quite an US thing. I don't know of any other place where there is such distinction (concealed vs open carry). That said, the Swiss are allowed to transport their gun, without a particular license, AFAIK. Gun transportation must be done in such a way that a surprising attacker could have some time to shoot you before you react. For instance, the gun must be unloaded, perhaps locked somehow etc... I don't know the details as I don't live in Switzerland, but gun carry and gun transportation are not the same thing. The idea of gun transportation is not to have it ready for use, but just to be allowed to move it from your home to the place you'll practice/hunt with it and vice-verse. They can buy only handguns and hunting rifles (no semi autos), you cannot get a CC unless you're in security.
Are you saying the Swiss only can own revolvers? In the text you quoted yourself he mentions hunting rifles and handguns (which include revolvers, but it's not limited to). So no, by the text you quoted yourself, he cannot be saying that Swiss can only own revolvers. And I believe they might be allowed to legally buy automatic rifles, but it might be more strict. Honestly, I don't know much, I just happen to have a friend which has some family members in Switzerland so he tells me some stuff once in a while. You'll find more reliable info on the net if you want to. That nails it quite well. It's disturbing. |
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December 19, 2012, 08:46:00 AM |
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my rough estimate says the media portrays the opposite or maybe in the UK they would portray more violent crimes of their homeland of course |
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December 19, 2012, 09:01:52 AM |
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my rough estimate says the media portrays the opposite or maybe in the UK they would portray more violent crimes of their homeland of course Imagine that. The media distorting the truth. |
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December 19, 2012, 09:08:15 AM |
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my rough estimate says the media portrays the opposite or maybe in the UK they would portray more violent crimes of their homeland of course Tourism good, emigration bad. |
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December 19, 2012, 09:30:24 AM |
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I can't afford to read the almost 20 pages for the UK report right now, but I looked it quickly and it seems to include things ranging from harassment to murder, while the US statistics start on "aggravated assault". Are you sure the comparison you are making is pertinent? Could you point me to the page of the UK report that shows the statistics concerning only actually violent crimes? |
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December 19, 2012, 09:56:05 AM |
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I can't afford to read the almost 20 pages for the UK report right now, but I looked it quickly and it seems to include things ranging from harassment to murder, while the US statistics start on "aggravated assault". Are you sure the comparison you are making is pertinent? Could you point me to the page of the UK report that shows the statistics concerning only actually violent crimes? OK, digging a little deeper, the UK stats are weird. It looks like they also count murder convictions instead of victims, and they don't count it until they get a conviction. It's possible that in order to get a valid comparison, you'd need to go through crime by crime, and verify the stats. Ahh, here we go. On the top of page 6, there's a table which indicates that 51% of the crimes were "less serious," things like simple assault, that sort of thing. So it's not so bad, I guess. Only about 2,000 per 100,000 people. |
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December 19, 2012, 12:43:20 PM
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Notice that Myrkul did not provided any explanation for the statistics he posted. Myrkul also forged the second statistic. The second reference do not contain the data which he published. Mykul doctored the evidence. |
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December 19, 2012, 04:01:12 PM |
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Notice that Myrkul did not provided any explanation for the statistics he posted. Myrkul also forged the second statistic. The second reference do not contain the data which he published. Mykul doctored the evidence. Taking to simply lying now, are we? Page 6, just under that table I mentioned: Risk of becoming a victim
• The risk of being a victim of violent crime one or more times a year for those interviewed by
the BCS in 2003 was 4.1 per cent.
Tell me, what percentage of 100000 is 4100? |
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December 19, 2012, 06:04:55 PM |
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myrkul, your forgetting the statistics about Americans and math. They can't cypher them percent numbers.  |
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December 19, 2012, 06:25:45 PM |
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Notice that Myrkul did not provided any explanation for the statistics he posted. Myrkul also forged the second statistic. The second reference do not contain the data which he published. Mykul doctored the evidence. Taking to simply lying now, are we? Page 6, just under that table I mentioned: Risk of becoming a victim
• The risk of being a victim of violent crime one or more times a year for those interviewed by
the BCS in 2003 was 4.1 per cent.
Tell me, what percentage of 100000 is 4100? Wrong numbers. Because you don't understand what numbers means. USA - Murder & non negligent manslaughter, Forcible rape, Robbery, Aggravated assault UK - above and ALL assaults |
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December 19, 2012, 06:33:14 PM |
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Notice that Myrkul did not provided any explanation for the statistics he posted. Myrkul also forged the second statistic. The second reference do not contain the data which he published. Mykul doctored the evidence. Taking to simply lying now, are we? Page 6, just under that table I mentioned: Risk of becoming a victim
• The risk of being a victim of violent crime one or more times a year for those interviewed by
the BCS in 2003 was 4.1 per cent.
Tell me, what percentage of 100000 is 4100? Wrong numbers. Because you don't understand what numbers means. USA - Murder & non negligent manslaughter, Forcible rape, Robbery, Aggravated assault UK - above and ALL assaults Myrkul has never let data get in his way of portraying things the way he wants them to be. |
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